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Anonymous wrote:Putting this discussion (on the achievement gap) aside, does this mean that Latin definitely will NOT open a second campus during the 20/21 school year?

Yes, I think so. They would be hard pressed to be up and running in less than a year.

Good, the delay will almost certainly help our IB middle school, Stuart Hobson, consolidate gains made in the last two years under the surprisingly academic tracking and neighborhood-friendly new principal. He's established honors classes in half a dozen subjects, along with a transparent, flexible and fair system for admitting students to advanced classes.

With fewer IB and Hobson feeder 4th graders running off to WL for 5th, Hobson will surely pick up more high-performing kids for 6th grade in SY 20-21 than it would have if WL were able to open its second campus that year. The more momentum Hobson gains in attracting IB families, the stronger the program will be.

I hope my kids are finished at SH before you get there. We’ve been very happy with the gains but I like that the administration has paid attention to the strengths and needs of all the kids coming through the doors.

- Also IB for Stuart Hobson.

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Anonymous wrote:Charters are to provide choices to families. No their sole purpose isn’t to serve low income kids. If anything they donworse for those kids because of fewer resources, underpaid and inexperienced teachers who leave after 2 years.

Agreed charters should serve the kids who attend. Seems like this school is struggling on that end for a notable number of students.

Yes, because almost every school in the country with a good cohort of low-SES students struggles on that end for goodness sake, even in test-in GT programs. That's the face of multi-generational poverty in this country in this century. If schools alone could fix the underlying problems, they would have been addressed a century ago.

Latin can't serve both high and low SES students as a boot camp programs for poor minorities like KIPP and DC Prep. The high SES families don't enroll in those programs past ECE. Scores on the silly PARCC obviously shouldn't be the only measure of success. The low SES WL kids clearly gain from having high SES classmates. I know this because I was a low SES minority kid who was able to cope at my elite college mainly because I had many high SES classmates in middle and high school. They taught me almost as much as I learned academically.

Latin is struggling with low-SES students and also with AA students who are not low-SES. I get that it's a challenging thing to do well. But this is not a persuasive rationale for expanding EOTR.

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Anonymous wrote:Charters are to provide choices to families. No their sole purpose isn’t to serve low income kids. If anything they donworse for those kids because of fewer resources, underpaid and inexperienced teachers who leave after 2 years.

Agreed charters should serve the kids who attend. Seems like this school is struggling on that end for a notable number of students.

Yes, because almost every school in the country with a good cohort of low-SES students struggles on that end for goodness sake, even in test-in GT programs. That's the face of multi-generational poverty in this country in this century. If schools alone could fix the underlying problems, they would have been addressed a century ago.

Latin can't serve both high and low SES students as a boot camp programs for poor minorities like KIPP and DC Prep. The high SES families don't enroll in those programs past ECE. Scores on the silly PARCC obviously shouldn't be the only measure of success. The low SES WL kids clearly gain from having high SES classmates. I know this because I was a low SES minority kid who was able to cope at my elite college mainly because I had many high SES classmates in middle and high school. They taught me almost as much as I learned academically.

Anonymous wrote:Charters are to provide choices to families. No their sole purpose isn’t to serve low income kids. If anything they donworse for those kids because of fewer resources, underpaid and inexperienced teachers who leave after 2 years.

Agreed charters should serve the kids who attend. Seems like this school is struggling on that end for a notable number of students.

Charters are to provide choices to families. No their sole purpose isn’t to serve low income kids. If anything they donworse for those kids because of fewer resources, underpaid and inexperienced teachers who leave after 2 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter? Kids meeting those descriptions are doing ok to well at a bunch of schools across the city.

I want to know more. Is the Latin curriculum engaging to all? What is the diversity of the teachers and admins a male/female/black/white/latino etc?

Does this matter? Is KIPP’s curriculum engaging to all?

If you have more than one subgroup that is clearly under performing against the state standards, shouldn’t everything be on the table for examination? WL isn’t a private prep school.

And the many other underperforming charters that appeal only to a subset of students? I thought one of the purposes of charters is that they can pursue niche strategies for different types of learners?

They can, but not if their niche is upper income white kids. That is not the point of charters.

Oh no? What's the point of charters if it's not to enable families to avoid low-performing and inflexible DCPS program. Who cares who benefits!

??? It isn't supposed to benefit only white kids!

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter? Kids meeting those descriptions are doing ok to well at a bunch of schools across the city.

I want to know more. Is the Latin curriculum engaging to all? What is the diversity of the teachers and admins a male/female/black/white/latino etc?

Does this matter? Is KIPP’s curriculum engaging to all?

If you have more than one subgroup that is clearly under performing against the state standards, shouldn’t everything be on the table for examination? WL isn’t a private prep school.

And the many other underperforming charters that appeal only to a subset of students? I thought one of the purposes of charters is that they can pursue niche strategies for different types of learners?

They can, but not if their niche is upper income white kids. That is not the point of charters.

Oh no? What's the point of charters if it's not to enable families to avoid low-performing and inflexible DCPS program. Who cares who benefits!

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Anonymous wrote:Putting this discussion (on the achievement gap) aside, does this mean that Latin definitely will NOT open a second campus during the 20/21 school year?

Yes, I think so. They would be hard pressed to be up and running in less than a year.

Good, the delay will almost certainly help our IB middle school, Stuart Hobson, consolidate gains made in the last two years under the surprisingly academic tracking and neighborhood-friendly new principal. He's established honors classes in half a dozen subjects, along with a transparent, flexible and fair system for admitting students to advanced classes.

With fewer IB and Hobson feeder 4th graders running off to WL for 5th, Hobson will surely pick up more high-performing kids for 6th grade in SY 20-21 than it would have if WL were able to open its second campus that year. The more momentum Hobson gains in attracting IB families, the stronger the program will be.

+1. There's really no coordination between the charter sector & DCPS. A new Latin will be great for those with lottery luck. Not so much for the rest of us.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does it matter? Kids meeting those descriptions are doing ok to well at a bunch of schools across the city.

I want to know more. Is the Latin curriculum engaging to all? What is the diversity of the teachers and admins a male/female/black/white/latino etc?

Does this matter? Is KIPP’s curriculum engaging to all?

If you have more than one subgroup that is clearly under performing against the state standards, shouldn’t everything be on the table for examination? WL isn’t a private prep school.

And the many other underperforming charters that appeal only to a subset of students? I thought one of the purposes of charters is that they can pursue niche strategies for different types of learners?

They can, but not if their niche is upper income white kids. That is not the point of charters.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does it matter? Kids meeting those descriptions are doing ok to well at a bunch of schools across the city.

I want to know more. Is the Latin curriculum engaging to all? What is the diversity of the teachers and admins a male/female/black/white/latino etc?

Does this matter? Is KIPP’s curriculum engaging to all?

If you have more than one subgroup that is clearly under performing against the state standards, shouldn’t everything be on the table for examination? WL isn’t a private prep school.

And the many other underperforming charters that appeal only to a subset of students? I thought one of the purposes of charters is that they can pursue niche strategies for different types of learners?

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter? Kids meeting those descriptions are doing ok to well at a bunch of schools across the city.

I want to know more. Is the Latin curriculum engaging to all? What is the diversity of the teachers and admins a male/female/black/white/latino etc?

Does this matter? Is KIPP’s curriculum engaging to all?

If you have more than one subgroup that is clearly under performing against the state standards, shouldn’t everything be on the table for examination? WL isn’t a private prep school.

Anonymous wrote:Does it matter? Kids meeting those descriptions are doing ok to well at a bunch of schools across the city.

I want to know more. Is the Latin curriculum engaging to all? What is the diversity of the teachers and admins a male/female/black/white/latino etc?

Does this matter? Is KIPP’s curriculum engaging to all?

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter? Kids meeting those descriptions are doing ok to well at a bunch of schools across the city.

I want to know more. Is the Latin curriculum engaging to all? What is the diversity of the teachers and admins a male/female/black/white/latino etc?

And, if those students started in 5th grade at Latin, shouldn’t they be doing better than that by high school in such an enriching environment?

That is, indeed the question. I’d also be interested in knowing if this is how it’s always been, or a one-year fluke?

Anonymous wrote:Does it matter? Kids meeting those descriptions are doing ok to well at a bunch of schools across the city.

I want to know more. Is the Latin curriculum engaging to all? What is the diversity of the teachers and admins a male/female/black/white/latino etc?

And, if those students started in 5th grade at Latin, shouldn’t they be doing better than that by high school in such an enriching environment?

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Anonymous wrote:Putting this discussion (on the achievement gap) aside, does this mean that Latin definitely will NOT open a second campus during the 20/21 school year?

Yes, I think so. They would be hard pressed to be up and running in less than a year.

Good, the delay will almost certainly help our IB middle school, Stuart Hobson, consolidate gains made in the last two years under the surprisingly academic tracking and neighborhood-friendly new principal. He's established honors classes in half a dozen subjects, along with a transparent, flexible and fair system for admitting students to advanced classes.

With fewer IB and Hobson feeder 4th graders running off to WL for 5th, Hobson will surely pick up more high-performing kids for 6th grade in SY 20-21 than it would have if WL were able to open its second campus that year. The more momentum Hobson gains in attracting IB families, the stronger the program will be.