Anonymous
Post 06/25/2019 04:34     Subject: 400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family

The Sackler named must be removed from anything with decency.

Their name is the plague.
Anonymous
Post 06/25/2019 04:10     Subject: Re:400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family
Anonymous wrote:I was thinking today about the non-violent pot dealers sitting in prison, while these people sit on billions. Pot never killed anyone, and these people started an epidemic that has literally shortened Americans’ life expectancy. NY Times should be ashamed for giving them a forum just because they are rich.


Or vanity fair, rather.
Anonymous
Post 06/25/2019 04:07     Subject: Re:400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family
I was thinking today about the non-violent pot dealers sitting in prison, while these people sit on billions. Pot never killed anyone, and these people started an epidemic that has literally shortened Americans’ life expectancy. NY Times should be ashamed for giving them a forum just because they are rich.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2019 22:45     Subject: 400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family
Anonymous wrote:Sounds like they made a real-life deal with the devil.

Exclusive: OxyContin made the Sackler family billions—but now, after 400,000 deaths, it’s made them near-pariahs. For the first time, David Sackler pleads his case.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/06/david-sackler-pleads-his-case-on-the-opioid-epidemic?



They should fit in on the 7 Circles of Hell. I wish them hell (youngest brother addict in California, rehab numerous times)
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2019 22:26     Subject: 400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family
Anonymous wrote:Sounds like they made a real-life deal with the devil.

Exclusive: OxyContin made the Sackler family billions—but now, after 400,000 deaths, it’s made them near-pariahs. For the first time, David Sackler pleads his case.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/06/david-sackler-pleads-his-case-on-the-opioid-epidemic?


The sight of them makes me vomit. May they burn in hell.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2019 21:45     Subject: Re:400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the article (I'm currently at work) but this is fascinating to me.

I'm a nurse and trained in the late 90s. We were told constantly that "pain is the 5th vital sign" and we assessed our patient's pain every 4 hours. I worked in oncology nursing and I remember how strongly this was drilled into our heads. Not assessing a patient's pain (and addressing it by getting the doctor to write for a medication) was almost the worse sin a nurse could commit. I worked at the oncology center at Hopkins from 1992-2002 and I personally sent hundreds (if not thousands) of cancer patients home with an oxycontin prescription. We gave it out to everyone. None of us were personally profiting from any of it--the prescriptions were written by interns and residents and the meds were dosed by nurses. It was just the culture of the time. Untreated pain (especially in cancer patients) was tantamount to malpractice and no one questioned how we were treating it.


NP. I think that has been the case up until maybe a year ago. Or possibly two.


Exactly. And posters in the emergency rooms from state and federal agencies, reminding patients not only of their rights, but that "pain is an emergency."

It was indeed the accepted wisdom that treating actual pain didn't lead to addiction. I was trained by some pretty wise and experienced physicians who disagreed, and I never prescribed opiods except post op, maybe less than a dozen times, for inpatients.

But I know a lot of docs, and this isn't about kickbacks for the vast majority. I'll buy that there was a strong element of "go away pills" as a PP referenced -- for people with chronic pain who believed meds were the answer, it was a way to keep the clinic moving. (Again, not my practice, but I saw it elsewhere.) But it was in the context of a push that this was Good Medicine.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2019 21:27     Subject: 400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought many of the people dying from opiod deaths were taking it and their pain wasn't that severe. Their doctors prescribed it to them anyway and they became addicted. I just can't solely blame the Sackler family for this.


A person has pain, minor or major, and the doctor gives them an opioid prescription. The person trusts the doctor, takes the pain med, becomes addicted.

The person didn't know how addictive the opioid was. The doctor didn't know how addictive the opioid was. The Sackler family knew how addictive the opioid was. Who is to blame? The addict? The doctor?


I don’t buy the part about the doctor didn’t know how addictive they were. I feel like I have been hearing about people getting addicted to painkillers for quite some time now. Longer than the opioid crisis.

Exactly. Do we know what percentage of physicians own stock in big pharma?
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2019 20:55     Subject: 400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought many of the people dying from opiod deaths were taking it and their pain wasn't that severe. Their doctors prescribed it to them anyway and they became addicted. I just can't solely blame the Sackler family for this.


A person has pain, minor or major, and the doctor gives them an opioid prescription. The person trusts the doctor, takes the pain med, becomes addicted.

The person didn't know how addictive the opioid was. The doctor didn't know how addictive the opioid was. The Sackler family knew how addictive the opioid was. Who is to blame? The addict? The doctor?


I don’t buy the part about the doctor didn’t know how addictive they were. I feel like I have been hearing about people getting addicted to painkillers for quite some time now. Longer than the opioid crisis.


Until very recently, it has been accepted medical wisdom that taking an opioid for pain isn't addictive. That's false, but doctors thought it was true, up until the past few years.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2019 20:52     Subject: 400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought many of the people dying from opiod deaths were taking it and their pain wasn't that severe. Their doctors prescribed it to them anyway and they became addicted. I just can't solely blame the Sackler family for this.


A person has pain, minor or major, and the doctor gives them an opioid prescription. The person trusts the doctor, takes the pain med, becomes addicted.

The person didn't know how addictive the opioid was. The doctor didn't know how addictive the opioid was. The Sackler family knew how addictive the opioid was. Who is to blame? The addict? The doctor?


I don’t buy the part about the doctor didn’t know how addictive they were. I feel like I have been hearing about people getting addicted to painkillers for quite some time now. Longer than the opioid crisis.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2019 20:45     Subject: Re:400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family
Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure that anyone who has read the whole article--or who knows anything about how opioids took hold--could believe anything other than they are culpable degenerates.


Most people do think that. I think that. They're being driven out of New York, everyone there believes it.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2019 20:21     Subject: Re:400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family
Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure that anyone who has read the whole article--or who knows anything about how opioids took hold--could believe anything other than they are culpable degenerates.


Also, I suspect it's only a matter of time before the Sackler Gallery is no longer called the Sackler Gallery. They are pariahs and rightfully so. Disagree? Do some research and come back.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2019 20:21     Subject: 400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one forced the pills down their throats.


+ a million


Nobody made doctors over subscribe, nobody made people take them


It's like my kid squeezing the toothpaste all over the floor and me filing a lawsuit against Crest


When a doctor prescribes medicine for you, you're supposed to take it. Or else you are non compliant.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2019 20:19     Subject: Re:400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family
I'm not sure that anyone who has read the whole article--or who knows anything about how opioids took hold--could believe anything other than they are culpable degenerates.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2019 18:02     Subject: 400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family

Pharma trolls understand only one thing: profits.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2019 17:51     Subject: 400,000 overdose deaths in U.S. attributed to Sackler family
Anonymous wrote:People willingly took the stuff. I don’t even get it. Why wouldn’t we have useful painkillers. People should use them properly.


What part of highly addictive prescribed medication don't you understand?