Anonymous
06/19/2019 19:54
Subject: Collegiate Women Soccer Player 40 Yard Dash Time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:First cut in high school is based on speed. Speed only. Doesn't matter who's been on travel team. Skill doesn't matter. Lots of skilled players are trying out. There will be plenty to choose from. Above all, they better be extremely fast.
First cut is based on speed. It's timed.
This is for *soccer*??
No way. BS. It is in no way possible that there is a coach out there who is so dumb as to cut players based only on 40 times and could convince a high school to hire him. This doesn't pass the laugh test.
They don't do this in ANY sport, except those in which speed is the only consideration (track). Hah, some baseball pitchers can't run 40 yards at all.
Nobody said it was the sole selection criteria. It is just one piece of many criteria that can be used in a recruiting scenario. Remember, college coaches have very limited opportunity to see players play in competitive game settings. The more indicators they have, the better a player's chances.
LOL jerry Rice’s 40 time 4.71 seconds....that is considered slow for a receiver. No one caught him on the field. Some players have game speed and they can not run a time trials worth a shit. That is why they do not do track.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 19:08
Subject: Re:Collegiate Women Soccer Player 40 Yard Dash Time
Arlington does fitness testing on their 4th practice day. Their recovery day is performance training - strength, flexibility, and sometimes, fitness testing (maybe 4 times a year).
Anonymous
06/19/2019 19:08
Subject: Collegiate Women Soccer Player 40 Yard Dash Time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There’s much discussion in this forum about size, strength and speed. But it seems that speed and technical skills are most important.
Hence, this led me to wonder what the typical or average speed of a college women soccer Mid-Fielder and Forward/Striker as measured in 40 yard dash time. I’m not asking about the best 40 yard dash time but rather the typical and/or average times.
Please share what you think would be the adequate speed for a player to make it at the D1 level.
Thank you.
Generally stop watches are not present at soccer fields
Come now. Even high schools have fitness tests for players that are, of course, timed.
They do a beep test, whatever that is. My daughter played for a D1 final four team and I remember her getting in shape before returning to school to be ready for that test. Wish I could tell you more about what it entailed.
A beep test is basically a series of runs each of which must be completed within a set time noted by a beep.
So say you have to do 10 runs of 200 meters each all within 40 seconds. The beep signals start and stop.
Typically you'd have a recovery in between.
So maybe you run 200 meters (1/2 lap) in 40 seconds then have 40 seconds to get to the next starting line (300 meter mark) and do the next 200 meters in 40 seconds and so on.
The test requires a basic amount of speed AND endurance.
It would not surprise me that teams make a cut based on a 40 yard dash or a beep test but that cut would be because the player is so out of shape that they cannot compete.
Pro teams in many sports do this as well as a test you must pass in order to practice. USSF refs have to pass this kind of test at some levels.
One 40 yard dash measures speed. A beep test measures speed, endurance, and a certain amount of heart because it HURTS.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 19:07
Subject: Collegiate Women Soccer Player 40 Yard Dash Time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:First cut in high school is based on speed. Speed only. Doesn't matter who's been on travel team. Skill doesn't matter. Lots of skilled players are trying out. There will be plenty to choose from. Above all, they better be extremely fast.
First cut is based on speed. It's timed.
This is for *soccer*??
No way. BS. It is in no way possible that there is a coach out there who is so dumb as to cut players based only on 40 times and could convince a high school to hire him. This doesn't pass the laugh test.
They don't do this in ANY sport, except those in which speed is the only consideration (track). Hah, some baseball pitchers can't run 40 yards at all.
Nobody said it was the sole selection criteria. It is just one piece of many criteria that can be used in a recruiting scenario. Remember, college coaches have very limited opportunity to see players play in competitive game settings. The more indicators they have, the better a player's chances.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 18:31
Subject: Collegiate Women Soccer Player 40 Yard Dash Time
Anonymous wrote:First cut in high school is based on speed. Speed only. Doesn't matter who's been on travel team. Skill doesn't matter. Lots of skilled players are trying out. There will be plenty to choose from. Above all, they better be extremely fast.
First cut is based on speed. It's timed.
This is for *soccer*??
No way. BS. It is in no way possible that there is a coach out there who is so dumb as to cut players based only on 40 times and could convince a high school to hire him. This doesn't pass the laugh test.
They don't do this in ANY sport, except those in which speed is the only consideration (track). Hah, some baseball pitchers can't run 40 yards at all.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 18:29
Subject: Re:Collegiate Women Soccer Player 40 Yard Dash Time
The initial points stand that the tests are for baseline fitness levels and are not used as a criteria of selection.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 18:10
Subject: Re:Collegiate Women Soccer Player 40 Yard Dash Time
My daughters play/have played college soccer. They definitely have/had fitness tests that they spent a lot of time preparing for over the summer, along with their club teammates going to a lot of different schools, and I have never heard of any of them doing a timed 40 yard dash. The PP who talked about the beep test is right, it's very popular. So are a mix of shuttle runs and ladder distances with timed targets for each distance.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 18:05
Subject: Collegiate Women Soccer Player 40 Yard Dash Time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There’s much discussion in this forum about size, strength and speed. But it seems that speed and technical skills are most important.
Hence, this led me to wonder what the typical or average speed of a college women soccer Mid-Fielder and Forward/Striker as measured in 40 yard dash time. I’m not asking about the best 40 yard dash time but rather the typical and/or average times.
Please share what you think would be the adequate speed for a player to make it at the D1 level.
Thank you.
Generally stop watches are not present at soccer fields
Come now. Even high schools have fitness tests for players that are, of course, timed.
They do a beep test, whatever that is. My daughter played for a D1 final four team and I remember her getting in shape before returning to school to be ready for that test. Wish I could tell you more about what it entailed.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 17:32
Subject: Collegiate Women Soccer Player 40 Yard Dash Time
Anonymous wrote:There’s much discussion in this forum about size, strength and speed. But it seems that speed and technical skills are most important.
Hence, this led me to wonder what the typical or average speed of a college women soccer Mid-Fielder and Forward/Striker as measured in 40 yard dash time. I’m not asking about the best 40 yard dash time but rather the typical and/or average times.
Please share what you think would be the adequate speed for a player to make it at the D1 level.
Thank you.
College coaches love the beep test or similar shuttle drills. They will cut world beater if beep test is slow
Anonymous
06/19/2019 17:26
Subject: Collegiate Women Soccer Player 40 Yard Dash Time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is not really the 40 yard dash times.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2bb0/bdf11c9dae4600a31ae82011f93b0d359ff1.pdf
So in summary, starting players were similar to non-starters in the things that the combines measure. So that means there must be another reason, other than 40 times why the players are both selected and are also starters.
Interesting study. It looked at one Division I college team, and excluded the injured players and goalkeepers. So 22 total players were in the study. These college soccer players were measured for:
30-meter sprint (0-5, 0-10, 0-30 meter intervals);
pro-agility and 60-yard shuttle;
the Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1; and
vertical and standing broad jumps.
To quote the study: "Physiological characteristics between [the starters] and [the non-starters] from the analyzed Division I squad were similar, although [the starters] were generally faster. The similarities between [the starters] and [the non-starters] may be a function of the team’s training, in that all players may complete the same workouts."
From another part of the study: "The results showed no significant between-group differences for any of the performance tests, except that [the starters] had a worthwhile difference above the squad mean in the 0-10 and 0-30 meter sprint intervals."
It is probably safe to assume that any woman on this D1 soccer team is a high quality soccer player, with excellent technical skills and other soccer attributes and that they are all good athletes. It is also probably safe to assume that the starters are the best players on the team and have the best skills and other soccer attributes. But it is interesting that the starters also happened to be faster than the non-starters, at least accordingly to this scientific study.
They also may have a faster recovery time after sprinting.
They also may have been Pipeline players.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 17:06
Subject: Collegiate Women Soccer Player 40 Yard Dash Time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is not really the 40 yard dash times.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2bb0/bdf11c9dae4600a31ae82011f93b0d359ff1.pdf
So in summary, starting players were similar to non-starters in the things that the combines measure. So that means there must be another reason, other than 40 times why the players are both selected and are also starters.
Interesting study. It looked at one Division I college team, and excluded the injured players and goalkeepers. So 22 total players were in the study. These college soccer players were measured for:
30-meter sprint (0-5, 0-10, 0-30 meter intervals);
pro-agility and 60-yard shuttle;
the Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1; and
vertical and standing broad jumps.
To quote the study: "Physiological characteristics between [the starters] and [the non-starters] from the analyzed Division I squad were similar, although [the starters] were generally faster. The similarities between [the starters] and [the non-starters] may be a function of the team’s training, in that all players may complete the same workouts."
From another part of the study: "The results showed no significant between-group differences for any of the performance tests, except that [the starters] had a worthwhile difference above the squad mean in the 0-10 and 0-30 meter sprint intervals."
It is probably safe to assume that any woman on this D1 soccer team is a high quality soccer player, with excellent technical skills and other soccer attributes and that they are all good athletes. It is also probably safe to assume that the starters are the best players on the team and have the best skills and other soccer attributes. But it is interesting that the starters also happened to be faster than the non-starters, at least accordingly to this scientific study.
They also may have a faster recovery time after sprinting.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 16:56
Subject: Collegiate Women Soccer Player 40 Yard Dash Time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is not really the 40 yard dash times.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2bb0/bdf11c9dae4600a31ae82011f93b0d359ff1.pdf
So in summary, starting players were similar to non-starters in the things that the combines measure. So that means there must be another reason, other than 40 times why the players are both selected and are also starters.
Interesting study. It looked at one Division I college team, and excluded the injured players and goalkeepers. So 22 total players were in the study. These college soccer players were measured for:
30-meter sprint (0-5, 0-10, 0-30 meter intervals);
pro-agility and 60-yard shuttle;
the Yo-Yo Intermittent Recovery Test Level 1; and
vertical and standing broad jumps.
To quote the study: "Physiological characteristics between [the starters] and [the non-starters] from the analyzed Division I squad were similar, although [the starters] were generally faster. The similarities between [the starters] and [the non-starters] may be a function of the team’s training, in that all players may complete the same workouts."
From another part of the study: "The results showed no significant between-group differences for any of the performance tests, except that [the starters] had a worthwhile difference above the squad mean in the 0-10 and 0-30 meter sprint intervals."
It is probably safe to assume that any woman on this D1 soccer team is a high quality soccer player, with excellent technical skills and other soccer attributes and that they are all good athletes. It is also probably safe to assume that the starters are the best players on the team and have the best skills and other soccer attributes. But it is interesting that the starters also happened to be faster than the non-starters, at least accordingly to this scientific study.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 16:51
Subject: Collegiate Women Soccer Player 40 Yard Dash Time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DD is doing the Future 500 ID Camp next week where there is an add-on for 40 yard dash testing. They also have shuttle run and vertical jump testing. She has done the shuttle and vertical tests before and did well so she is signed up for those. She has not done a 40 yet so I told her to skip that. My guess would be 5.3-5.4 secs would be pretty good.
This topic is a great example of what is wrong with youth soccer in this country.
Your what's wrong. A 40 yard dash is a measurements of explosiveness. Been around a long time. Its not an indicator of talent it's an indicator of speed.
Guess what...speed kills. Ask Mbappe
Speed with the ball matters. I'm not sure how many 40 yard post routes get run in soccer.
98 percent of the time you don't have the ball. Gues what...speed matters without the ball as well.
But if you’re running to the wrong place, speed doesn’t matter. Soccer intelligence matters a lot more. A great player still needs to be athletic and coordinated, but A faster brain is more important than a faster body. Get it meathead?
Yes but . . . if you run a 6.4 second 40, then it does not matter how much soccer intelligence you have.
Same goes for overall fitness. If you're not fit, then it does not matter how much soccer intelligence you have.
This is why pro, college, high school, etc. teams all have various forms of timed runs that measure these things.
And if you run a 6.4 second 40 it will show in game. But if you can always get to the ball first it doesn't really matter what your 40 time is. Situational awareness and anticipation can make up for mediocre 40 times.
Meathead combine dad doesn’t get it. He thinks the rest of us are saying speed isn’t important. As was posted just go get the sprinters off the track team if speed kills. Taking 3 steps in wrong direction because of low soccer iq cannot be made up with a great 40 time.
Examples of “slow” athletes at the elite level. Xavi, Figo, Rivaldo, Zidane and Pirlo. My guess is that you likely haven’t seen all of those play. But you would rather have a Lukaku or Yedlin.
Meatheads dad here! How y'all doing!
Fast doesnt mean low IQ.
Big doesnt mean unskilled
Small doesnt mean technical
High IQ doesnt mean slow
So let's recap what I said. A TIER ONE PLAYER IS FAST WITH A HIGH IQ THAT MAKE THEM FASTER.
See how that works.
Bye,
Meathead dad
Speed helps but frankly every one at a D1 level has the appropriate speed. There are other more soccer game specific qualities that are more important.
The combines are pretty much done after selection in order to get a baseline level of overall fitness. Meaning, the kid has in someway or another already made the cut and if and when they have a 40 yard dash it is used for comparison to the player and not necessarily to the team.
Anonymous
06/19/2019 16:34
Subject: Collegiate Women Soccer Player 40 Yard Dash Time
Probably not because players that aren't as fast make up for it by making better decisions and developing ttear skill aND speed of play.
Usain bolt is a good case example
Usain bolt is a good case example
Anonymous
06/19/2019 16:34
Subject: Collegiate Women Soccer Player 40 Yard Dash Time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DD is doing the Future 500 ID Camp next week where there is an add-on for 40 yard dash testing. They also have shuttle run and vertical jump testing. She has done the shuttle and vertical tests before and did well so she is signed up for those. She has not done a 40 yet so I told her to skip that. My guess would be 5.3-5.4 secs would be pretty good.
This topic is a great example of what is wrong with youth soccer in this country.
Your what's wrong. A 40 yard dash is a measurements of explosiveness. Been around a long time. Its not an indicator of talent it's an indicator of speed.
Guess what...speed kills. Ask Mbappe
Speed with the ball matters. I'm not sure how many 40 yard post routes get run in soccer.
98 percent of the time you don't have the ball. Gues what...speed matters without the ball as well.
But if you’re running to the wrong place, speed doesn’t matter. Soccer intelligence matters a lot more. A great player still needs to be athletic and coordinated, but A faster brain is more important than a faster body. Get it meathead?
Yes but . . . if you run a 6.4 second 40, then it does not matter how much soccer intelligence you have.
Same goes for overall fitness. If you're not fit, then it does not matter how much soccer intelligence you have.
This is why pro, college, high school, etc. teams all have various forms of timed runs that measure these things.
And if you run a 6.4 second 40 it will show in game. But if you can always get to the ball first it doesn't really matter what your 40 time is. Situational awareness and anticipation can make up for mediocre 40 times.
Meathead combine dad doesn’t get it. He thinks the rest of us are saying speed isn’t important. As was posted just go get the sprinters off the track team if speed kills. Taking 3 steps in wrong direction because of low soccer iq cannot be made up with a great 40 time.
Examples of “slow” athletes at the elite level. Xavi, Figo, Rivaldo, Zidane and Pirlo. My guess is that you likely haven’t seen all of those play. But you would rather have a Lukaku or Yedlin.
Meatheads dad here! How y'all doing!
Fast doesnt mean low IQ.
Big doesnt mean unskilled
Small doesnt mean technical
High IQ doesnt mean slow
So let's recap what I said. A TIER ONE PLAYER IS FAST WITH A HIGH IQ THAT MAKE THEM FASTER.
See how that works.
Bye,
Meathead dad