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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Study the history. Racist housing policies created dead zones in the inner city. Invest in some stores and businesses and medical facilities and grocery stores in areas that have nothing but liquor stores. A resident can’t get a job if s/he can’t get to it.

Investment happens in whites areas, just perpetuating the same problems.

And stores can’t stay in business if the merchandise keeps disappearing, they are regularly robbed at gunpoint, and the local job pool is filled with people with poorly developed work habits.

That’s not true. It’s just your racist stereotypes. You aren’t looking for solutions.

Denying reality isn't the way to change anything, PP. Arguing that it's this or that and putting efforts and money in the wrong direction doesn't help. Nothing can happen while people are in denial.

People know the way to improve these communities. I think someone even alluded to it on this thread. You need to do targeted education/campaigns and really try to RAISE those kids from the ground up, assuming almost nothing. In my mind, this would actually involve a completely different school program with completely different subjects and emphasis and rules. You need to step into the life of a 5 year old, or a 15 year old, and basically teach them what decent parents should have taught them all along from birth. But such a thing is un-PC to suggest, and so these types of REAL SOLUTIONS go ignored and the cycles continue.

In Australia, there are issues with the native indigenous communities. Alcoholism mostly, and related crimes and domestic issues. The government had to STEP OUT of those communities altogether, absolutely forget about the idea of educating them according to national standards and just let them try to sort themselves out. Luckily they tend to have very strong tribal leadership and they improve a lot this way. Actually some of them end up with a zero tolerance attitude towards all crime and all alcohol - they become "dry communities". It would have been totally outrageous and very un-PC for the government to suggest that by themselves, but since it came from within, there was no national protest and actually things are way better now. Fetal alcohol syndrome, for example, was becoming an enormous problem and it has improved a lot for obvious reasons.

Sometimes you really do need to treat people differently in order to have the best outcomes for all. Fair isn't always equal.

Nice hypothetical. But millions of dollars have gone to the city on these programs. You literally don’t know what the F you are talking about. I lived there for 20 years. So sit on your comfy couch in whatever burb you live in and shut up.

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Anonymous wrote:I can understand how flyover places like St Louis and Detroit are sort of doomed due to economics and migration patterns. But Baltimore is East Coast, ocean front, proximity to D.C., Acela line, international airport, wealthy/educated state, decent weather (compared to Chicago, NYC, Boston), all the bygone era legacy universities, arts, etc.

Seems so bizarre. Is there any way to fix Baltimore?

It’s been run by Democrats for decades, who have run it into the ground. Until they changes, and someone gets the crime under control, it’s not a good bet

Anonymous wrote:We briefly considered moving there. We’re in SoCal so not really aware of local impressions. We were attracted to proximity to DC, Europe, etc, and house prices. We started researching it more, figured out the area was mostly black and that didn’t bother us. But then we looked at crime stats and stories and decided no way. We don’t even want to pass through there, let alone live there. I think they’d need to clean it up a lot to make it attractive to the people who would ultimately improve the area. A catch 22, I know.

Maybe they need to give a REALLY sweet deal to a big tech company or something.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Study the history. Racist housing policies created dead zones in the inner city. Invest in some stores and businesses and medical facilities and grocery stores in areas that have nothing but liquor stores. A resident can’t get a job if s/he can’t get to it.

Investment happens in whites areas, just perpetuating the same problems.

And stores can’t stay in business if the merchandise keeps disappearing, they are regularly robbed at gunpoint, and the local job pool is filled with people with poorly developed work habits.

That’s not true. It’s just your racist stereotypes. You aren’t looking for solutions.

Denying reality isn't the way to change anything, PP. Arguing that it's this or that and putting efforts and money in the wrong direction doesn't help. Nothing can happen while people are in denial.

People know the way to improve these communities. I think someone even alluded to it on this thread. You need to do targeted education/campaigns and really try to RAISE those kids from the ground up, assuming almost nothing. In my mind, this would actually involve a completely different school program with completely different subjects and emphasis and rules. You need to step into the life of a 5 year old, or a 15 year old, and basically teach them what decent parents should have taught them all along from birth. But such a thing is un-PC to suggest, and so these types of REAL SOLUTIONS go ignored and the cycles continue.

In Australia, there are issues with the native indigenous communities. Alcoholism mostly, and related crimes and domestic issues. The government had to STEP OUT of those communities altogether, absolutely forget about the idea of educating them according to national standards and just let them try to sort themselves out. Luckily they tend to have very strong tribal leadership and they improve a lot this way. Actually some of them end up with a zero tolerance attitude towards all crime and all alcohol - they become "dry communities". It would have been totally outrageous and very un-PC for the government to suggest that by themselves, but since it came from within, there was no national protest and actually things are way better now. Fetal alcohol syndrome, for example, was becoming an enormous problem and it has improved a lot for obvious reasons.

Sometimes you really do need to treat people differently in order to have the best outcomes for all. Fair isn't always equal.

Are you comparing black inner city youth to aboriginal tribes?

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Anonymous wrote:White flight killed Baltimore. I’ve been to a lot of mid Atlantic cities and it’s the most extraordinarily segregated. Whites took off to Baltimore and Howard Counties and let the city die.

(Whites leave) White flight! Racism! Bad!
(Whites stay) Gentrification! Racism! Bad!

Gentrification is not necessarily bad IMO, if its done with SOME respect by new people for the existing residents, and if rapid displacement can be avoided. Given the amount of vacant housing and land in Baltimore, I don't think the latter is a huge problem.

BTW I wonder how well you actually know Baltimore? A lot of gentrification there has taken place in what had been working class white neighborhoods.

Anonymous wrote:I can understand how flyover places like St Louis and Detroit are sort of doomed due to economics and migration patterns. But Baltimore is East Coast, ocean front, proximity to D.C., Acela line, international airport, wealthy/educated state, decent weather (compared to Chicago, NYC, Boston), all the bygone era legacy universities, arts, etc.

Seems so bizarre. Is there any way to fix Baltimore?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Study the history. Racist housing policies created dead zones in the inner city. Invest in some stores and businesses and medical facilities and grocery stores in areas that have nothing but liquor stores. A resident can’t get a job if s/he can’t get to it.

Investment happens in whites areas, just perpetuating the same problems.

And stores can’t stay in business if the merchandise keeps disappearing, they are regularly robbed at gunpoint, and the local job pool is filled with people with poorly developed work habits.

That’s not true. It’s just your racist stereotypes. You aren’t looking for solutions.

Denying reality isn't the way to change anything, PP. Arguing that it's this or that and putting efforts and money in the wrong direction doesn't help. Nothing can happen while people are in denial.

People know the way to improve these communities. I think someone even alluded to it on this thread. You need to do targeted education/campaigns and really try to RAISE those kids from the ground up, assuming almost nothing. In my mind, this would actually involve a completely different school program with completely different subjects and emphasis and rules. You need to step into the life of a 5 year old, or a 15 year old, and basically teach them what decent parents should have taught them all along from birth. But such a thing is un-PC to suggest, and so these types of REAL SOLUTIONS go ignored and the cycles continue.

In Australia, there are issues with the native indigenous communities. Alcoholism mostly, and related crimes and domestic issues. The government had to STEP OUT of those communities altogether, absolutely forget about the idea of educating them according to national standards and just let them try to sort themselves out. Luckily they tend to have very strong tribal leadership and they improve a lot this way. Actually some of them end up with a zero tolerance attitude towards all crime and all alcohol - they become "dry communities". It would have been totally outrageous and very un-PC for the government to suggest that by themselves, but since it came from within, there was no national protest and actually things are way better now. Fetal alcohol syndrome, for example, was becoming an enormous problem and it has improved a lot for obvious reasons.

Sometimes you really do need to treat people differently in order to have the best outcomes for all. Fair isn't always equal.

Are you comparing black inner city youth to aboriginal tribes?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Study the history. Racist housing policies created dead zones in the inner city. Invest in some stores and businesses and medical facilities and grocery stores in areas that have nothing but liquor stores. A resident can’t get a job if s/he can’t get to it.

Investment happens in whites areas, just perpetuating the same problems.

And stores can’t stay in business if the merchandise keeps disappearing, they are regularly robbed at gunpoint, and the local job pool is filled with people with poorly developed work habits.

That’s not true. It’s just your racist stereotypes. You aren’t looking for solutions.

Yeah, sure. It’s all just racism.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Study the history. Racist housing policies created dead zones in the inner city. Invest in some stores and businesses and medical facilities and grocery stores in areas that have nothing but liquor stores. A resident can’t get a job if s/he can’t get to it.

Investment happens in whites areas, just perpetuating the same problems.

And stores can’t stay in business if the merchandise keeps disappearing, they are regularly robbed at gunpoint, and the local job pool is filled with people with poorly developed work habits.

That’s not true. It’s just your racist stereotypes. You aren’t looking for solutions.

Denying reality isn't the way to change anything, PP. Arguing that it's this or that and putting efforts and money in the wrong direction doesn't help. Nothing can happen while people are in denial.

People know the way to improve these communities. I think someone even alluded to it on this thread. You need to do targeted education/campaigns and really try to RAISE those kids from the ground up, assuming almost nothing. In my mind, this would actually involve a completely different school program with completely different subjects and emphasis and rules. You need to step into the life of a 5 year old, or a 15 year old, and basically teach them what decent parents should have taught them all along from birth. But such a thing is un-PC to suggest, and so these types of REAL SOLUTIONS go ignored and the cycles continue.

In Australia, there are issues with the native indigenous communities. Alcoholism mostly, and related crimes and domestic issues. The government had to STEP OUT of those communities altogether, absolutely forget about the idea of educating them according to national standards and just let them try to sort themselves out. Luckily they tend to have very strong tribal leadership and they improve a lot this way. Actually some of them end up with a zero tolerance attitude towards all crime and all alcohol - they become "dry communities". It would have been totally outrageous and very un-PC for the government to suggest that by themselves, but since it came from within, there was no national protest and actually things are way better now. Fetal alcohol syndrome, for example, was becoming an enormous problem and it has improved a lot for obvious reasons.

Sometimes you really do need to treat people differently in order to have the best outcomes for all. Fair isn't always equal.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Study the history. Racist housing policies created dead zones in the inner city. Invest in some stores and businesses and medical facilities and grocery stores in areas that have nothing but liquor stores. A resident can’t get a job if s/he can’t get to it.

Investment happens in whites areas, just perpetuating the same problems.

And stores can’t stay in business if the merchandise keeps disappearing, they are regularly robbed at gunpoint, and the local job pool is filled with people with poorly developed work habits.

That’s not true. It’s just your racist stereotypes. You aren’t looking for solutions.

Denying reality isn't the way to change anything, PP. Arguing that it's this or that and putting efforts and money in the wrong direction doesn't help. Nothing can happen while people are in denial.

People know the way to improve these communities. I think someone even alluded to it on this thread. You need to do targeted education/campaigns and really try to RAISE those kids from the ground up, assuming almost nothing. In my mind, this would actually involve a completely different school program with completely different subjects and emphasis and rules. You need to step into the life of a 5 year old, or a 15 year old, and basically teach them what decent parents should have taught them all along from birth. But such a thing is un-PC to suggest, and so these types of REAL SOLUTIONS go ignored and the cycles continue.

In Australia, there are issues with the native indigenous communities. Alcoholism mostly, and related crimes and domestic issues. The government had to STEP OUT of those communities altogether, absolutely forget about the idea of educating them according to national standards and just let them try to sort themselves out. Luckily they tend to have very strong tribal leadership and they improve a lot this way. Actually some of them end up with a zero tolerance attitude towards all crime and all alcohol - they become "dry communities". It would have been totally outrageous and very un-PC for the government to suggest that by themselves, but since it came from within, there was no national protest and actually things are way better now. Fetal alcohol syndrome, for example, was becoming an enormous problem and it has improved a lot for obvious reasons.

Sometimes you really do need to treat people differently in order to have the best outcomes for all. Fair isn't always equal.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Study the history. Racist housing policies created dead zones in the inner city. Invest in some stores and businesses and medical facilities and grocery stores in areas that have nothing but liquor stores. A resident can’t get a job if s/he can’t get to it.

Investment happens in whites areas, just perpetuating the same problems.

And stores can’t stay in business if the merchandise keeps disappearing, they are regularly robbed at gunpoint, and the local job pool is filled with people with poorly developed work habits.

That’s not true. It’s just your racist stereotypes. You aren’t looking for solutions.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Study the history. Racist housing policies created dead zones in the inner city. Invest in some stores and businesses and medical facilities and grocery stores in areas that have nothing but liquor stores. A resident can’t get a job if s/he can’t get to it.

Investment happens in whites areas, just perpetuating the same problems.

And stores can’t stay in business if the merchandise keeps disappearing, they are regularly robbed at gunpoint, and the local job pool is filled with people with poorly developed work habits.

That’s not true. It’s just your racist stereotypes. You aren’t looking for solutions.

No. Baltimore is a pit. It’s a stinky pit.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Study the history. Racist housing policies created dead zones in the inner city. Invest in some stores and businesses and medical facilities and grocery stores in areas that have nothing but liquor stores. A resident can’t get a job if s/he can’t get to it.

Investment happens in whites areas, just perpetuating the same problems.

And stores can’t stay in business if the merchandise keeps disappearing, they are regularly robbed at gunpoint, and the local job pool is filled with people with poorly developed work habits.

That’s not true. It’s just your racist stereotypes. You aren’t looking for solutions.