Anonymous
05/27/2019 22:31
Subject: Why are some PH.D programs more respected than others ?...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For example:
Why is an Education Ph.D NOT as respected compared to a Biomedical Ph.D?
Or a History Ph.D compared to a psychology PH.D?
People tend to be more impressed with someone who has a heavy science
PH.D compared to social science of humanities one. Why?..
is it because anyone in heavy science can do a humanities one or social science one
yet the ones in the softer or humanities one can’t do a heavy Ph.D?
Because PhDs in the hard sciences requires literally inventing or discovering something new. It has to be novel. It's a really hard, tedious, and time consuming thing to do. I have a PhD in engineering. It was difficult when your 1000x experiment fails and you have to still keep picking yourself up off the ground and keep trying.
? You don’t know what a dissertation in a social science or the humanities looks like, do you? The whole point is ‘contributing something new’ and that’s ‘hard’ no matter what field you’re in.
Anonymous
05/27/2019 22:15
Subject: Re:Why are some PH.D programs more respected than others ?...
Anonymous wrote:Most public school administrators have an Educational Doctorate not even the full Phd yet they insist on being called Dr. which is ridiculous. Their "doctorate" doesn't even require a dissertation, is 60 years and can be done on-line. It honestly should embarrass them to do this as no other real Phd insists on this.
Its easier because it is one of the "newer" types of degrees like hospitality management, or human resources. It was designed to provide some additional education for people working in public education. Degrees are only as good as the community conferring them so since education as a major attracts the lowest scoring students of any other major, you just are not getting the best and brightest.
Degrees like philosophy or art history have a deeper bench of scholarship and thus more rigorous requirements even though neither prepares you to do anything more than teach in a university or write esoteric books on the aspect of the field that you focused on. From an academic standpoint, they are more prestigious because they contribute to the furthering of human knowledge and academic community.
Education doctorates and Phds really contribute nothing to academia other than $$ for their degree so no prestige beyond their own circle of people in a public school.
philosophy and art history PhD programs are extremely selective and difficult to graduate from. Yes they are kind of useless but miles away from any kind of degree in education.
Anonymous
05/27/2019 22:09
Subject: Why are some PH.D programs more respected than others ?...
Silly post.
You won’t get anywhere these day
Tenures are far and few
You won’t get anywhere these day
Tenures are far and few
Anonymous
05/26/2019 19:05
Subject: Re:Why are some PH.D programs more respected than others ?...
Anonymous wrote:Most public school administrators have an Educational Doctorate not even the full Phd yet they insist on being called Dr. which is ridiculous. Their "doctorate" doesn't even require a dissertation, is 60 years and can be done on-line. It honestly should embarrass them to do this as no other real Phd insists on this.
Its easier because it is one of the "newer" types of degrees like hospitality management, or human resources. It was designed to provide some additional education for people working in public education. Degrees are only as good as the community conferring them so since education as a major attracts the lowest scoring students of any other major, you just are not getting the best and brightest.
Degrees like philosophy or art history have a deeper bench of scholarship and thus more rigorous requirements even though neither prepares you to do anything more than teach in a university or write esoteric books on the aspect of the field that you focused on. From an academic standpoint, they are more prestigious because they contribute to the furthering of human knowledge and academic community.
Education doctorates and Phds really contribute nothing to academia other than $$ for their degree so no prestige beyond their own circle of people in a public school.
what is your background?
Anonymous
05/26/2019 19:01
Subject: Re:Why are some PH.D programs more respected than others ?...
Most public school administrators have an Educational Doctorate not even the full Phd yet they insist on being called Dr. which is ridiculous. Their "doctorate" doesn't even require a dissertation, is 60 years and can be done on-line. It honestly should embarrass them to do this as no other real Phd insists on this.
Its easier because it is one of the "newer" types of degrees like hospitality management, or human resources. It was designed to provide some additional education for people working in public education. Degrees are only as good as the community conferring them so since education as a major attracts the lowest scoring students of any other major, you just are not getting the best and brightest.
Degrees like philosophy or art history have a deeper bench of scholarship and thus more rigorous requirements even though neither prepares you to do anything more than teach in a university or write esoteric books on the aspect of the field that you focused on. From an academic standpoint, they are more prestigious because they contribute to the furthering of human knowledge and academic community.
Education doctorates and Phds really contribute nothing to academia other than $$ for their degree so no prestige beyond their own circle of people in a public school.
Its easier because it is one of the "newer" types of degrees like hospitality management, or human resources. It was designed to provide some additional education for people working in public education. Degrees are only as good as the community conferring them so since education as a major attracts the lowest scoring students of any other major, you just are not getting the best and brightest.
Degrees like philosophy or art history have a deeper bench of scholarship and thus more rigorous requirements even though neither prepares you to do anything more than teach in a university or write esoteric books on the aspect of the field that you focused on. From an academic standpoint, they are more prestigious because they contribute to the furthering of human knowledge and academic community.
Education doctorates and Phds really contribute nothing to academia other than $$ for their degree so no prestige beyond their own circle of people in a public school.
Anonymous
05/26/2019 18:04
Subject: Why are some PH.D programs more respected than others ?...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not soft vs hard science. It’s education (Ed D) vs everything else.
Not Engineering. Nobody cares if you have a PhD. It's just a big waste of time or maybe you just can't deal with the real world and need to stick with books.
many places do care and pay phds much more than BS
Anonymous
05/26/2019 16:40
Subject: Why are some PH.D programs more respected than others ?...
Anonymous wrote:Some PhD programs you pay for; others the professors have grants that pay for student tuition, teaching assistant positions, etc. My advice to people looking for programs regardless of discipline: Find one that will give you a free ride. Sure, you’ll be used as slave labor, but you won’t be saddled with tons of loans, etc. In addition, the professors are help accountable b/c of them using their grant money. They want you to do well so they can report back on how the grant money was well-spent.
+100
Anonymous
05/26/2019 14:42
Subject: Why are some PH.D programs more respected than others ?...
Some PhD programs you pay for; others the professors have grants that pay for student tuition, teaching assistant positions, etc. My advice to people looking for programs regardless of discipline: Find one that will give you a free ride. Sure, you’ll be used as slave labor, but you won’t be saddled with tons of loans, etc. In addition, the professors are help accountable b/c of them using their grant money. They want you to do well so they can report back on how the grant money was well-spent.
Anonymous
05/26/2019 08:35
Subject: Why are some PH.D programs more respected than others ?...
EdD does not require a dissertation.
That says it all.
If that degree is important for you as an administrator, go for it. But without a dis, it is always inferior to the PhD.
That says it all.
If that degree is important for you as an administrator, go for it. But without a dis, it is always inferior to the PhD.
Anonymous
05/26/2019 07:02
Subject: Why are some PH.D programs more respected than others ?...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not soft vs hard science. It’s education (Ed D) vs everything else.
Exactly. If you have a kid in public school with ever changing sucky curricula you'll know why PhD or Ed D in Education is not respected.
Yep, the proliferation of education degrees have made things worse, not better.