Anonymous
04/14/2019 21:05
Subject: Charter schools and high income families
It's advanceD, dammit, ADVANCED
Anonymous
04/14/2019 19:54
Subject: Charter schools and high income families
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've noticed a number of young professionals that live in gentrifying neighborhoods are sending their kids to chartered schools. I'm curious whether the top charters (LAMB, Ling, MV) are populated by kids of high income earners. Is this a good way to avoid bad public schools without paying for private school? Can your kids get a private school education at a chartered school?
Firstly, I don't even know what your first sentence means. "I've noticed"? Where did you notice this? "young professional"? huh? And the bolded are not the top charters.
Isn't LAMB one of the best schools in the city, charter, public, private or otherwise?
Anonymous
04/14/2019 19:52
Subject: Re:Charter schools and high income families
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No charter schools are nothing like private schools. They do allow middle income families to stay in the city. Without charters, it would be rich and poor and young.
Exactly this. Even the HRCs don't come close to private schools or even better public schools. But they're better than some of the high poverty DCPS schools that these middle class parents won't accept, so they keep middle class families in the city.
The DCPS landscape is much better now than it was 10-15 years ago. Back then, there were very few schools outside of WOTP or parts of Cap Hill with acceptable schools, even for elementary. Today, more people are willing to try their IB DCPS. Offering charters has been part of the process to keep middle class families in the city, and then slowly some of them consider their IB school to take advantage of commute, neighborhood ties, etc. While charters need more oversight, they've been a key part of the process to turn around all DC public schools.
This is a crazy post. There are some seriously good charters and dcps is awful- overcrowded at the better ones and dismal at others.
Anonymous
04/14/2019 17:57
Subject: Charter schools and high income families
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure what you mean by "a private school education" but if you mean avoiding being around low-income people, then yes.
It’s obvious you don’t get it. It’s not about that or the race card that people are always using. It’s about offering more challenging classes or instruction for the advance kids. I don’t care if the kids are homeless, poor, middle class, or rich as long as they are able to perform in an advance or more challenging class. VA and MD offer this but not DC.
This is exactly correct. It kills me that my kids sometimes tune out while basic material is repeated as nauseum. Kids who are two or more grade levels apart really don’t belong in the same classroom.
NP.
That sounds nice, except I repeatedly tell people about the enrichment opportunities at our neighborhood school, but am meet with something along the lines of "well it couldn't be challenging enough" because it includes students from poor families too. Sorry for the skepticism.
Sure, there might be some people who are like this but it’s not the majority of people that I know. If DCPS elementary and middle schools offered more challenging and advance classes, the families will come. Please expand on what enrichment opportunities your neighborhood school has and the PARCC scores. It might be helpful data and why families are not choosing to send their children there.
A well implement school-wide enrichment model program.
Why do average PARCC scores matter? It is a really poor measure.
“ A well implement school - wide enrichment program” tells me nothing. You have not expanded on any details. PARCC scores are not the be all, end all but at least it gives a family a general sense of the competency of the students there. For instance, if only 15% of the students are on grade level with PARCC 3 and the remaining 85% of the students are below grade level with 1 and 2, then that’s a big problem if your child is advance and scoring 4 or 5.
Anonymous
04/14/2019 10:33
Subject: Charter schools and high income families
We happened to get into a fantastic charter. We donate far more than the average family but pay far less than private. It's win win.
Anonymous
04/14/2019 07:21
Subject: Re:Charter schools and high income families
Anonymous wrote:No charter schools are nothing like private schools. They do allow middle income families to stay in the city. Without charters, it would be rich and poor and young.
Exactly this. Even the HRCs don't come close to private schools or even better public schools. But they're better than some of the high poverty DCPS schools that these middle class parents won't accept, so they keep middle class families in the city.
The DCPS landscape is much better now than it was 10-15 years ago. Back then, there were very few schools outside of WOTP or parts of Cap Hill with acceptable schools, even for elementary. Today, more people are willing to try their IB DCPS. Offering charters has been part of the process to keep middle class families in the city, and then slowly some of them consider their IB school to take advantage of commute, neighborhood ties, etc. While charters need more oversight, they've been a key part of the process to turn around all DC public schools.
Anonymous
04/14/2019 00:23
Subject: Charter schools and high income families
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure what you mean by "a private school education" but if you mean avoiding being around low-income people, then yes.
It’s obvious you don’t get it. It’s not about that or the race card that people are always using. It’s about offering more challenging classes or instruction for the advance kids. I don’t care if the kids are homeless, poor, middle class, or rich as long as they are able to perform in an advance or more challenging class. VA and MD offer this but not DC.
This is exactly correct. It kills me that my kids sometimes tune out while basic material is repeated as nauseum. Kids who are two or more grade levels apart really don’t belong in the same classroom.
NP.
That sounds nice, except I repeatedly tell people about the enrichment opportunities at our neighborhood school, but am meet with something along the lines of "well it couldn't be challenging enough" because it includes students from poor families too. Sorry for the skepticism.
Sure, there might be some people who are like this but it’s not the majority of people that I know. If DCPS elementary and middle schools offered more challenging and advance classes, the families will come. Please expand on what enrichment opportunities your neighborhood school has and the PARCC scores. It might be helpful data and why families are not choosing to send their children there.
A well implement school-wide enrichment model program.
Why do average PARCC scores matter? It is a really poor measure.
Anonymous
04/13/2019 23:41
Subject: Charter schools and high income families
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure what you mean by "a private school education" but if you mean avoiding being around low-income people, then yes.[/quote
It’s obvious you don’t get it. It’s not about that or the race card that people are always using. It’s about offering more challenging classes or instruction for the advance kids. I don’t care if the kids are homeless, poor, middle class, or rich as long as they are able to perform in an advance or more challenging class. VA and MD offer this but not DC.
BASIS offers exactly this and SWW GW program can offer it, too.
The poster is talking about elementary and middle school. MD and VA have G & T, honors classes, tracking, etc...
Having talked to parents with kids in those MD and VA programs (sports, summer pool), my DCPS kids' classes are like the GT/honors classes. Moving to VA or Md, you run the risk that your kid will be taught a watered down curriculum because they didn't get tested and labeled. We don't need the labels.
Then please expand and provide details how your children’s classes are like GT/honors. I’m assuming these classes are more advance and challenging then the standard class if you say they are like GT/honors.
Anonymous
04/13/2019 23:27
Subject: Charter schools and high income families
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure what you mean by "a private school education" but if you mean avoiding being around low-income people, then yes.[/quote
It’s obvious you don’t get it. It’s not about that or the race card that people are always using. It’s about offering more challenging classes or instruction for the advance kids. I don’t care if the kids are homeless, poor, middle class, or rich as long as they are able to perform in an advance or more challenging class. VA and MD offer this but not DC.
BASIS offers exactly this and SWW GW program can offer it, too.
The poster is talking about elementary and middle school. MD and VA have G & T, honors classes, tracking, etc...
Having talked to parents with kids in those MD and VA programs (sports, summer pool), my DCPS kids' classes are like the GT/honors classes. Moving to VA or Md, you run the risk that your kid will be taught a watered down curriculum because they didn't get tested and labeled. We don't need the labels.
Anonymous
04/13/2019 23:21
Subject: Charter schools and high income families
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure what you mean by "a private school education" but if you mean avoiding being around low-income people, then yes.
It’s obvious you don’t get it. It’s not about that or the race card that people are always using. It’s about offering more challenging classes or instruction for the advance kids. I don’t care if the kids are homeless, poor, middle class, or rich as long as they are able to perform in an advance or more challenging class. VA and MD offer this but not DC.
This is exactly correct. It kills me that my kids sometimes tune out while basic material is repeated as nauseum. Kids who are two or more grade levels apart really don’t belong in the same classroom.
NP.
That sounds nice, except I repeatedly tell people about the enrichment opportunities at our neighborhood school, but am meet with something along the lines of "well it couldn't be challenging enough" because it includes students from poor families too. Sorry for the skepticism.
Sure, there might be some people who are like this but it’s not the majority of people that I know. If DCPS elementary and middle schools offered more challenging and advance classes, the families will come. Please expand on what enrichment opportunities your neighborhood school has and the PARCC scores. It might be helpful data and why families are not choosing to send their children there.
Anonymous
04/13/2019 23:11
Subject: Charter schools and high income families
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure what you mean by "a private school education" but if you mean avoiding being around low-income people, then yes.[/quote
It’s obvious you don’t get it. It’s not about that or the race card that people are always using. It’s about offering more challenging classes or instruction for the advance kids. I don’t care if the kids are homeless, poor, middle class, or rich as long as they are able to perform in an advance or more challenging class. VA and MD offer this but not DC.
BASIS offers exactly this and SWW GW program can offer it, too.
The poster is talking about elementary and middle school. MD and VA have G & T, honors classes, tracking, etc...
Anonymous
04/13/2019 22:40
Subject: Charter schools and high income families
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've noticed a number of young professionals that live in gentrifying neighborhoods are sending their kids to chartered schools. I'm curious whether the top charters (LAMB, Ling, MV) are populated by kids of high income earners. Is this a good way to avoid bad public schools without paying for private school? [b]Can your kids get a private school education at a chartered school?
I have this same question, specifically, as it relates to Basis and Latin.
Nope. I have experience with all 3 (public charter, public and independent). They are different. The educational quality can be very high at public charters, but they are simply different from independent and public schools. I would say, by order of preference, I prefer independent for elementary (no equivalent for arts, specials, recess, physical education, non-focus on testing, SEL, pre and after care, and after school classes), all 3 fine for middle (if a "good" one), good public charter, test-in public + Wilson (IF your child is a go-getter), and independent for HS--but all very different. Public charter and independent tend to be the most "responsive", but I think the public charter is a little more genuinely about the child. Private schools, IMO, pander to squeaky wheel parents a lot--as do public. Weird parallels, I know. Public charters are a little more resistant to that, but a little more shaped to the actual child. Mission driven. - this is my subjective opinion
Anonymous
04/13/2019 20:35
Subject: Charter schools and high income families
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure what you mean by "a private school education" but if you mean avoiding being around low-income people, then yes.
It’s obvious you don’t get it. It’s not about that or the race card that people are always using. It’s about offering more challenging classes or instruction for the advance kids. I don’t care if the kids are homeless, poor, middle class, or rich as long as they are able to perform in an advance or more challenging class. VA and MD offer this but not DC.
This is exactly correct. It kills me that my kids sometimes tune out while basic material is repeated as nauseum. Kids who are two or more grade levels apart really don’t belong in the same classroom.
NP.
That sounds nice, except I repeatedly tell people about the enrichment opportunities at our neighborhood school, but am meet with something along the lines of "well it couldn't be challenging enough" because it includes students from poor families too. Sorry for the skepticism.
DP. It all depends on whether those, or any other, students are able to keep up with the enriched classes. If classes become "honors for all," then yes they do start to lose meaning. But that doesn't have anything to do, at least directly, with the income of the students.
Anonymous
04/13/2019 20:23
Subject: Charter schools and high income families
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure what you mean by "a private school education" but if you mean avoiding being around low-income people, then yes.
It’s obvious you don’t get it. It’s not about that or the race card that people are always using. It’s about offering more challenging classes or instruction for the advance kids. I don’t care if the kids are homeless, poor, middle class, or rich as long as they are able to perform in an advance or more challenging class. VA and MD offer this but not DC.
This is exactly correct. It kills me that my kids sometimes tune out while basic material is repeated as nauseum. Kids who are two or more grade levels apart really don’t belong in the same classroom.
NP.
That sounds nice, except I repeatedly tell people about the enrichment opportunities at our neighborhood school, but am meet with something along the lines of "well it couldn't be challenging enough" because it includes students from poor families too. Sorry for the skepticism.
Anonymous
04/13/2019 18:36
Subject: Charter schools and high income families
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not sure what you mean by "a private school education" but if you mean avoiding being around low-income people, then yes.[/quote
It’s obvious you don’t get it. It’s not about that or the race card that people are always using. It’s about offering more challenging classes or instruction for the advance kids. I don’t care if the kids are homeless, poor, middle class, or rich as long as they are able to perform in an advance or more challenging class. VA and MD offer this but not DC.
This is exactly correct. It kills me that my kids sometimes tune out while basic material is repeated as nauseum. Kids who are two or more grade levels apart really don’t belong in the same classroom.