Anonymous
Post 04/07/2019 15:32     Subject: Re:Michigan over Cornell?
Anonymous wrote:FWIW there are a lot of in-state kids at Michigan who would not get into Cornell, even though they are top students at their high schools.


What’s your point?
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2019 15:23     Subject: Re:Michigan over Cornell?
FWIW there are a lot of in-state kids at Michigan who would not get into Cornell, even though they are top students at their high schools.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2019 15:06     Subject: Michigan over Cornell?
It's very simple:

If she loves Michigan more then go there.

If she loves them both the same then choose on cost and location, and go there.

You're very lucky and you can't make a bad decision. Both are top notch and resultant outcomes will have nominal differences. What matters is where she will thrive more, and not what people will think because Cornell is an Ivy.

FYI I have great love for both Cornell and Ithaca, and wish I had attended there.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2019 15:05     Subject: Re:Michigan over Cornell?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Cornell has smarter kids. Everyone on the east coast knows Cornell rejects end up at Michigan and NYU.


Not at all. Cornell has the rep of being those who were desperate for Ivy status but not a genuine "first choice."


This. Cornell is Ivy-lite.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2019 14:52     Subject: Re:Michigan over Cornell?
fwiw

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2019
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2019 13:37     Subject: Michigan over Cornell?
Don't know why so many people feel it necessary to chime in nasty thoughts when it seems like someone is looking for real advice, which fortunately there is some amidst the responses. Just my own contribution -- know many people who have attended or are attending both, they are both terrific schools and if her heart is saving Michigan, she should go there. The Ivy thing is really overplayed and the two schools are quite comparable. I love the Cornell Campus and think very highly of the school, but Michigan is on par in just about every respect, if not every respect. Ann Arbor might be a better town and closer to a big airport -- Cornell is pretty isolated, and sports in general are better at Mich. which for campus life can be a big plus too. But in the end, two great choices.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2019 13:30     Subject: Michigan over Cornell?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My employee w an undergrad from UMich is so much better than the ex-employee w a grad degree from Columbia. Much better critical thinking skills.


Great story.


Maybe they could use their critical thinking skills to explain to you why anecdotes aren’t data.

NP. Meh. Anecdotes are pretty common when making hiring decisions.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2019 13:26     Subject: Re:Michigan over Cornell?
Anonymous wrote:Cornell has smarter kids. Everyone on the east coast knows Cornell rejects end up at Michigan and NYU.


Not at all. Cornell has the rep of being those who were desperate for Ivy status but not a genuine "first choice."
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2019 11:59     Subject: Michigan over Cornell?
Anonymous wrote:This is a great time for her to learn to follow her OWN heart, not the advice or biases of those around her.

Support her in going to the great school (U of M) she loved.

It absolutely will not hold her back. Those "but what about cachet" people are sad. Pursuing some scripted version of success, that is not linked to an individual's tastes, values and identity. Let your daughter be the person she is meant to grow into. Not some programmed robot.


+1 to this. And following own heart does not always mean swimming against the stream. Congrats to her, she really has two wonderful choices.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2019 11:43     Subject: Michigan over Cornell?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My employee w an undergrad from UMich is so much better than the ex-employee w a grad degree from Columbia. Much better critical thinking skills.


Great story.


Maybe they could use their critical thinking skills to explain to you why anecdotes aren’t data.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2019 11:36     Subject: Re:Michigan over Cornell?
I guess you are paying out of state for Michigan. So the cost difference is not that much.

I will go with Cornell if she is undecided.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2019 11:12     Subject: Michigan over Cornell?
Anonymous wrote:My employee w an undergrad from UMich is so much better than the ex-employee w a grad degree from Columbia. Much better critical thinking skills.


Great story.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2019 11:11     Subject: Re:Michigan over Cornell?
Cornell has smarter kids. Everyone on the east coast knows Cornell rejects end up at Michigan and NYU.
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2019 11:00     Subject: Michigan over Cornell?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Cornell alum here. I loved Cornell, but if my kid got into both and she wanted to go to U Michigan over Cornell, I'd sign the deposit check in a heartbeat -- and vice versa. Both are great schools with tons of opportunities to study in a wide variety of fields. (I would also say that there is something for everyone at Cornell as well).

At the end of her four years, it's not going to be so much what brand name is on the diploma but a) is she happy and thriving there (and therefore doing her best work) and b) does she do well in her chosen classes and major so she's poised for the next step, whatever that ends up being.

I've done a lot of hiring in my career and I wouldn't discount the cachet of University of Michigan -- I wouldn't necessarily be more interested in a Cornell grad (or a HYPS grad for that matter) over a University of Michigan (and dozens of other strong schools). I don't think the brand name matters nearly as much as people think it does.


Thank you.

DH does hiring for tech companies and said Michigan grads are way better on average than, say, Harvard grads who tend to be entitled brats.


well then its settled Michigan's grads are great and Harvard grads are brats!! So nice of you to tell us that your husband thinks a school that was not even on this thread produces brats...does that mean Cornell does too?
Anonymous
Post 04/07/2019 10:42     Subject: Michigan over Cornell?
She’ll have more fun at Michigan and it has a good national rep.

I’d go there.