Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 08:31     Subject: Re:U9 and washed up?
Anonymous wrote:When I coached rec, I had zero patience for kids not listening...and they were young...6-8 years old. They wanted to kick another players ball when I'm talking or something. I told them to go sit off to the side for 5 minutes. If they did it again, it got longer. Some kids sat more than played. I didn't care. This is the issue I have, some kids actually want to come to rec and learn and get better. They are the kids that I'm there for. If parents what to dump misbehaving kids on me to be babysat...they can sit off to the side. Parents, I agree with a prior poster...if your kid is a disruption, think about whether or not he should be in this group or ask if you can help.


My kids ‘on the spectrum’ and he kicks other kids’ as*es our on the sports field. Don’t be a d$ck.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 07:15     Subject: U9 and washed up?
Anonymous wrote:I was a rec coach (and former D2 player and had an E license). Half my little guys were great and the other half were as described here...disrupters...no interest in any sport...on the spectrum...overweight...Ruined it for the other half who were mostly interested and excited to be there. Parents, be honest with yourselves about your kids...You know good and well if they are not meant for sports. Not everyone is and that's fine. No need to ruin it for others (UNLESS you volunteer to assist during practice and keep those kids under control so others can learn!) — former trained and engaged rec coach


Please don't ever coach again. It's fine to complain about having to coach disruptive kids but kids who are overweight or on the spectrum? Those kids "ruined it"? How can you say or think that stuff and look at yourself in the mirror?

The most disruptive kids in DS's rec team were skinny, spoiled neurotypical kids who look like angels. The kids with special needs and the slightly chunky ones were really sweet and followed directions well.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 05:38     Subject: U9 and washed up?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think you should ever rely on any coach or program to develop your child. Kids need development at home with a parent guiding the way (how much guidance and in what form depends on the kid-parent relationship). Even if you don't have much of a background in the sport, go to online videos to research drills and skills practice. Playing with friends in the backyard can also help immensely. Yes, travel and rec are required to get game experience in, but a large part of development is just working on skills on your own and playing with other friends who like the sport in the backyard.

Once parents take more ownership of their child's development and take a long view of the development process, you tend to be less obsessed with a season here or there that didn't work out as well with a certain coach/team/situation.




No one plays in their backyard anymore. And, I cringe at the thought of a parent taking "ownership" as described in this post.


Huh? My kids play in our backyard/basement/recess every single day. They play travel but I agree that what they do at home, both the fun pickup games and the boring/repetitious practice, is crucial.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 00:52     Subject: U9 and washed up?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think you should ever rely on any coach or program to develop your child. Kids need development at home with a parent guiding the way (how much guidance and in what form depends on the kid-parent relationship). Even if you don't have much of a background in the sport, go to online videos to research drills and skills practice. Playing with friends in the backyard can also help immensely. Yes, travel and rec are required to get game experience in, but a large part of development is just working on skills on your own and playing with other friends who like the sport in the backyard.

Once parents take more ownership of their child's development and take a long view of the development process, you tend to be less obsessed with a season here or there that didn't work out as well with a certain coach/team/situation.




No one plays in their backyard anymore. And, I cringe at the thought of a parent taking "ownership" as described in this post.


While I believe that parents are important as a support system for the young soccer player, the whole point of a coach (and a teacher) is to help develop your child in that field. Can you rely upon them as a sole means? No. However, they should be competent enough to teach the kids basics about the sport, and even more than that if they are paid "professional" coaches. It is also good to have the kid separated from the family dynamic when trying to learn a sport.


Please see the bolded above. I think we are on the same page. My point was to encourage parents to not always look to blame a coach or program when they're child isn't developing the way they hoped and understand that some coaches and programs are better than others. You may not always be able to figure out which is better/worse or may not even have access all the time to the good coaches, so you have to be able to let your kid develop independent of that and not just put all your eggs in one basket.

As far as my comment on pick up soccer - that's how all the South American players become to be so good and creative. Kids there aren't signing up for travel teams and playing tons of games/tournaments and attending multiple camps. Google "pick up soccer youth development" and you'll see alot on this topic.


Yep. Agreed.


Coming from a tennis background it's hilarious you all think your kids will ever become competitive at anything with one coach and 11 to 13 players 2 or 3 tmes a week.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 00:24     Subject: U9 and washed up?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think you should ever rely on any coach or program to develop your child. Kids need development at home with a parent guiding the way (how much guidance and in what form depends on the kid-parent relationship). Even if you don't have much of a background in the sport, go to online videos to research drills and skills practice. Playing with friends in the backyard can also help immensely. Yes, travel and rec are required to get game experience in, but a large part of development is just working on skills on your own and playing with other friends who like the sport in the backyard.

Once parents take more ownership of their child's development and take a long view of the development process, you tend to be less obsessed with a season here or there that didn't work out as well with a certain coach/team/situation.




No one plays in their backyard anymore. And, I cringe at the thought of a parent taking "ownership" as described in this post.


While I believe that parents are important as a support system for the young soccer player, the whole point of a coach (and a teacher) is to help develop your child in that field. Can you rely upon them as a sole means? No. However, they should be competent enough to teach the kids basics about the sport, and even more than that if they are paid "professional" coaches. It is also good to have the kid separated from the family dynamic when trying to learn a sport.


Please see the bolded above. I think we are on the same page. My point was to encourage parents to not always look to blame a coach or program when they're child isn't developing the way they hoped and understand that some coaches and programs are better than others. You may not always be able to figure out which is better/worse or may not even have access all the time to the good coaches, so you have to be able to let your kid develop independent of that and not just put all your eggs in one basket.

As far as my comment on pick up soccer - that's how all the South American players become to be so good and creative. Kids there aren't signing up for travel teams and playing tons of games/tournaments and attending multiple camps. Google "pick up soccer youth development" and you'll see alot on this topic.


Yep. Agreed.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2019 21:43     Subject: U9 and washed up?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think you should ever rely on any coach or program to develop your child. Kids need development at home with a parent guiding the way (how much guidance and in what form depends on the kid-parent relationship). Even if you don't have much of a background in the sport, go to online videos to research drills and skills practice. Playing with friends in the backyard can also help immensely. Yes, travel and rec are required to get game experience in, but a large part of development is just working on skills on your own and playing with other friends who like the sport in the backyard.

Once parents take more ownership of their child's development and take a long view of the development process, you tend to be less obsessed with a season here or there that didn't work out as well with a certain coach/team/situation.




No one plays in their backyard anymore. And, I cringe at the thought of a parent taking "ownership" as described in this post.


While I believe that parents are important as a support system for the young soccer player, the whole point of a coach (and a teacher) is to help develop your child in that field. Can you rely upon them as a sole means? No. However, they should be competent enough to teach the kids basics about the sport, and even more than that if they are paid "professional" coaches. It is also good to have the kid separated from the family dynamic when trying to learn a sport.


Please see the bolded above. I think we are on the same page. My point was to encourage parents to not always look to blame a coach or program when they're child isn't developing the way they hoped and understand that some coaches and programs are better than others. You may not always be able to figure out which is better/worse or may not even have access all the time to the good coaches, so you have to be able to let your kid develop independent of that and not just put all your eggs in one basket.

As far as my comment on pick up soccer - that's how all the South American players become to be so good and creative. Kids there aren't signing up for travel teams and playing tons of games/tournaments and attending multiple camps. Google "pick up soccer youth development" and you'll see alot on this topic.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2019 17:50     Subject: U9 and washed up?
Anonymous wrote:I don't think you should ever rely on any coach or program to develop your child. Kids need development at home with a parent guiding the way (how much guidance and in what form depends on the kid-parent relationship). Even if you don't have much of a background in the sport, go to online videos to research drills and skills practice. Playing with friends in the backyard can also help immensely. Yes, travel and rec are required to get game experience in, but a large part of development is just working on skills on your own and playing with other friends who like the sport in the backyard.

Once parents take more ownership of their child's development and take a long view of the development process, you tend to be less obsessed with a season here or there that didn't work out as well with a certain coach/team/situation.


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Yikes, don't want to be near any team you are a part of....
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2019 17:49     Subject: U9 and washed up?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think you should ever rely on any coach or program to develop your child. Kids need development at home with a parent guiding the way (how much guidance and in what form depends on the kid-parent relationship). Even if you don't have much of a background in the sport, go to online videos to research drills and skills practice. Playing with friends in the backyard can also help immensely. Yes, travel and rec are required to get game experience in, but a large part of development is just working on skills on your own and playing with other friends who like the sport in the backyard.

Once parents take more ownership of their child's development and take a long view of the development process, you tend to be less obsessed with a season here or there that didn't work out as well with a certain coach/team/situation.




No one plays in their backyard anymore. And, I cringe at the thought of a parent taking "ownership" as described in this post.


While I believe that parents are important as a support system for the young soccer player, the whole point of a coach (and a teacher) is to help develop your child in that field. Can you rely upon them as a sole means? No. However, they should be competent enough to teach the kids basics about the sport, and even more than that if they are paid "professional" coaches. It is also good to have the kid separated from the family dynamic when trying to learn a sport.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2019 17:07     Subject: U9 and washed up?
Anonymous wrote:I don't think you should ever rely on any coach or program to develop your child. Kids need development at home with a parent guiding the way (how much guidance and in what form depends on the kid-parent relationship). Even if you don't have much of a background in the sport, go to online videos to research drills and skills practice. Playing with friends in the backyard can also help immensely. Yes, travel and rec are required to get game experience in, but a large part of development is just working on skills on your own and playing with other friends who like the sport in the backyard.

Once parents take more ownership of their child's development and take a long view of the development process, you tend to be less obsessed with a season here or there that didn't work out as well with a certain coach/team/situation.




No one plays in their backyard anymore. And, I cringe at the thought of a parent taking "ownership" as described in this post.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2019 14:48     Subject: U9 and washed up?
I don't think you should ever rely on any coach or program to develop your child. Kids need development at home with a parent guiding the way (how much guidance and in what form depends on the kid-parent relationship). Even if you don't have much of a background in the sport, go to online videos to research drills and skills practice. Playing with friends in the backyard can also help immensely. Yes, travel and rec are required to get game experience in, but a large part of development is just working on skills on your own and playing with other friends who like the sport in the backyard.

Once parents take more ownership of their child's development and take a long view of the development process, you tend to be less obsessed with a season here or there that didn't work out as well with a certain coach/team/situation.


Anonymous
Post 04/02/2019 13:49     Subject: Re:U9 and washed up?
I also coached rec for a few years. The really young ages (4 - 5 yr olds) are not even worth discussion as that is glorified babysitting. However, once around late elementary / early middle school it was frustrating with the mix of kids and parents. I tried incorporating everyone, including the habitual late arriving kids and no shows. If I had to do it again, I'd likely have the disrupters run laps the entire practice while I worked with the interested kids. At least they'd get exercise. However, I do have to say that several of the attentive kids did end up making travel teams the next year and a few are playing on their HS teams now as freshman, so that is satisfying knowing I may have contributed a little bit to their continued interest and relative success in this sport.


I just wish at the youth level, especially pre-teen, more coaches thought of themselves as teachers of the game and of hard work and overcoming obstacles, vs. just trying to win games, recruit the "best" players, and rankings. They'll be plenty of time for that other stuff once the players are in their HS years.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2019 11:51     Subject: Re:U9 and washed up?
Anonymous wrote:When I coached rec, I had zero patience for kids not listening...and they were young...6-8 years old. They wanted to kick another players ball when I'm talking or something. I told them to go sit off to the side for 5 minutes. If they did it again, it got longer. Some kids sat more than played. I didn't care. This is the issue I have, some kids actually want to come to rec and learn and get better. They are the kids that I'm there for. If parents what to dump misbehaving kids on me to be babysat...they can sit off to the side. Parents, I agree with a prior poster...if your kid is a disruption, think about whether or not he should be in this group or ask if you can help.


Former parent soccer coach here ( with no soccer background) at K, 1st and 2nd. When I did that and sent the kids off the field (after numerous warnings), they erupted in tears, parents got upset - it was so F***ing frustrating. If your kid is a disruptor, please help police them.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2019 11:44     Subject: U9 and washed up?
I was a rec coach (and former D2 player and had an E license). Half my little guys were great and the other half were as described here...disrupters...no interest in any sport...on the spectrum...overweight...Ruined it for the other half who were mostly interested and excited to be there. Parents, be honest with yourselves about your kids...You know good and well if they are not meant for sports. Not everyone is and that's fine. No need to ruin it for others (UNLESS you volunteer to assist during practice and keep those kids under control so others can learn!) — former trained and engaged rec coach
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2019 11:18     Subject: Re:U9 and washed up?
When I coached rec, I had zero patience for kids not listening...and they were young...6-8 years old. They wanted to kick another players ball when I'm talking or something. I told them to go sit off to the side for 5 minutes. If they did it again, it got longer. Some kids sat more than played. I didn't care. This is the issue I have, some kids actually want to come to rec and learn and get better. They are the kids that I'm there for. If parents what to dump misbehaving kids on me to be babysat...they can sit off to the side. Parents, I agree with a prior poster...if your kid is a disruption, think about whether or not he should be in this group or ask if you can help.
Anonymous
Post 04/02/2019 09:13     Subject: U9 and washed up?
I was a rec coach and I have zero experience with soccer. But rec leagues are desperate for coaches and there are too many parents who want their kids to play but don’t want to or cannot coach. I tried the best I could to coach (U9 girls) but lost of the tome I was babysitting. Kids wouldn’t listen , they’d run off or were sassy back.

Have you watched a practice? Is your child coachable/ a god listener? Does the coach have to spend too much time correcting, disciplining or getting the kids to listen?

Could you offer to assistant coach? Maybe the coach needs more help. Sometimes you just need another set of hands to keep everyone focused.

On the flip maybe his coach is just a nightmare, delusional person. Maybe your Rex league offers ball mastery or other clinics your cold can do. These supplement rec. also, you could probably call the rec director and ask to be switched. You can say it’s not a good fit or tell a white lie that the practice schedule conflicts with something.