^ if anyone wants to listen, it's Episode 20 of the Crime Junkie podcast. Very fast 40 min. episode.

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Anonymous wrote:I've listed to various podcasts on the case, read articles, and now seen this documentary and my belief still hasn't changed: Jay did it. He did it either on his own or with someone else, but he did it.

I believe he did it because Hae had some dirt on him (perhaps saw him cheating) and was going to tell his girlfriend Stephanie. His girlfriend was waaaaay out of his league (good MC to UMC family vs. his LC upbringing) and he didn't want to lose her.

If Hae had dirt, I'm pretty sure it would've been in the diary. I don't buy your theory...

It was Don, the guy Hae was dating when she died. He did it because he didn't like that she was still friends with Adnan, IMO. What Serial got wrong/didn't explain well was the Magnet program Hae, Adnan, and Stephanie were in. Serial said it had 50 kids in the program but in reality it was much, much smaller with around just 25. They also didn't explain that the kids in the Magnet program had every class together except for the classes like art, music, etc. It wasn't possible for Hae to avoid Adnan in that kind of scenario.

The Crime Junkie podcast did an episode called What Serial Didn't Tell You that also further explained how the manager who vouched for Don as being at work was his mom. And the manager at the store where Don was filling in that day was Don's mom's girlfriend (and became his future stepmom). Plus there were some time card inconsistencies found upon further investigation, like the wrong employee number was used on his time card for that day instead of his longstanding employee number. And the shift he was supposedly working didn't actually exist as a shift and became of the way their time card system worked, a manager could only edit a time card for one week following the entry, so adding that shift with the wonky employee number had to of been done before Hae's body was found. That particular time card had to be changed by January something and that same day that was the cut off was also the same day that Don was first interviewed by the police. It was a very good episode!

The one thing I remember most from the Serial podcast was that Jay knew where Hae’s car was. So I don’t think it was random. Ultimately I don’t know who did it but I think that Jay knows who did it and I don’t think he’s a truthful person, so I’m not sure if Adnan did it. I think a new trial would be fair.

Anonymous wrote:I've listed to various podcasts on the case, read articles, and now seen this documentary and my belief still hasn't changed: Jay did it. He did it either on his own or with someone else, but he did it.

I believe he did it because Hae had some dirt on him (perhaps saw him cheating) and was going to tell his girlfriend Stephanie. His girlfriend was waaaaay out of his league (good MC to UMC family vs. his LC upbringing) and he didn't want to lose her.

If Hae had dirt, I'm pretty sure it would've been in the diary. I don't buy your theory...

I've listed to various podcasts on the case, read articles, and now seen this documentary and my belief still hasn't changed: Jay did it. He did it either on his own or with someone else, but he did it.

I believe he did it because Hae had some dirt on him (perhaps saw him cheating) and was going to tell his girlfriend Stephanie. His girlfriend was waaaaay out of his league (good MC to UMC family vs. his LC upbringing) and he didn't want to lose her.

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Anonymous wrote:So glad that that this guy is staying in jail.

After the serial pod cast I was convinced he was guilty. I think that was mostly on how convincing I found Jay.

I disagree totally. I'm not sure (lean towards innocent) but I find Jay totally UNconvincing. He's so clearly in with the cops, who promised him a lesser sentence for dealing if he could get Adnan convicted.

I agree. They fed Jay the info to convict Adnan.

Absolutely. The question is whether Adnan was actually involved. I'm not sure.

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Anonymous wrote:So glad that that this guy is staying in jail.

After the serial pod cast I was convinced he was guilty. I think that was mostly on how convincing I found Jay.

I disagree totally. I'm not sure (lean towards innocent) but I find Jay totally UNconvincing. He's so clearly in with the cops, who promised him a lesser sentence for dealing if he could get Adnan convicted.

I agree. They fed Jay the info to convict Adnan.

When I listened to Serial, I thought Jay was lying left and right. Jay was way more involved than he was letting on, that he was covering for his girlfriend Stephanie. That Stephanie accidentally killed Hae, and Jay and Syed helped the cover up. Syed was portrayed as caring quite deeply for Stephanie. Im not saying his feelings were romantic, but I think Syed is covering for her too.

Anonymous wrote:This HBO show is based off of Rabias book so it has to be biased right?

Of course... Serial was balanced I would say. Rabia wanted her own spin so she helped launch Undisclosed. It was great to hear another perspective but clearly she's the most biased of the three lawyers on the project.

I'm not sure if Adnan did it but if he's in jail I think Jay also needs to be in jail.

This HBO show is based off of Rabias book so it has to be biased right?

Anonymous wrote:I think the original podcast was intended to show that Adnan should not have been convicted of the murder bc there were too many holes/doubts surrounding the evidence and the trial.

Btw, did anyone notice that Rabia took credit for the Serial Podcast indirectly by saying she contacted Sarah and told her about the case. Is this accurate? I seem to remember Sarah wanting to do something about the criminal justice system and her looking into this case on her own.

No, definitely not. Rabia contacted Sarah because Sarah had written an article or two about the case when she was a Baltimore Sun reporter covering the criminal justice system in Baltimore.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the original podcast was intended to show that Adnan should not have been convicted of the murder bc there were too many holes/doubts surrounding the evidence and the trial.

Btw, did anyone notice that Rabia took credit for the Serial Podcast indirectly by saying she contacted Sarah and told her about the case. Is this accurate? I seem to remember Sarah wanting to do something about the criminal justice system and her looking into this case on her own.

I'm pretty sure Rabia contacted Sarah.

My thoughts are that Adnan comes of very much like he's telling the truth. He's completely believable. My struggle is that Jay knew where Hay's body was and so many other details. I mean, it HAD to be Jay OR someone that had a relationship with Jay (i.e., Adnan). It just makes no sense for Jay to kill Hay himself.

BUUUUT, it is also true that Jay could have been fed info from the cops. Jay, unlike Adnan, comes off as such a liar. This is so tough. I do feel like I'd like to see Adnan free. There are too many holes in this story.

UGH, sorry: Hae, not Hay

Anonymous wrote:I think the original podcast was intended to show that Adnan should not have been convicted of the murder bc there were too many holes/doubts surrounding the evidence and the trial.

Btw, did anyone notice that Rabia took credit for the Serial Podcast indirectly by saying she contacted Sarah and told her about the case. Is this accurate? I seem to remember Sarah wanting to do something about the criminal justice system and her looking into this case on her own.

I'm pretty sure Rabia contacted Sarah.

My thoughts are that Adnan comes of very much like he's telling the truth. He's completely believable. My struggle is that Jay knew where Hay's body was and so many other details. I mean, it HAD to be Jay OR someone that had a relationship with Jay (i.e., Adnan). It just makes no sense for Jay to kill Hay himself.

BUUUUT, it is also true that Jay could have been fed info from the cops. Jay, unlike Adnan, comes off as such a liar. This is so tough. I do feel like I'd like to see Adnan free. There are too many holes in this story.

Anonymous wrote:I think the original podcast was intended to show that Adnan should not have been convicted of the murder bc there were too many holes/doubts surrounding the evidence and the trial.

Btw, did anyone notice that Rabia took credit for the Serial Podcast indirectly by saying she contacted Sarah and told her about the case. Is this accurate? I seem to remember Sarah wanting to do something about the criminal justice system and her looking into this case on her own.

I'm not totally sure but I do remember something about Rabia contacting Sarah initially.

I think the original podcast was intended to show that Adnan should not have been convicted of the murder bc there were too many holes/doubts surrounding the evidence and the trial.

Btw, did anyone notice that Rabia took credit for the Serial Podcast indirectly by saying she contacted Sarah and told her about the case. Is this accurate? I seem to remember Sarah wanting to do something about the criminal justice system and her looking into this case on her own.