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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because, when you have a dog bred for yourself (which is what going to a breeder is), you're sentencing to death the dog that you would have adopted (which is what you would be doing).

19:58 here.

And... there's lots of misinformation out there!

1. Rescues directly enable the dog industry by buying dogs at puppy mill auctions, and indirectly by transporting and distributing puppy mill dogs, for a small charitable donation, thereby feeding demand.

2. In the larger scheme of things that practically no one understands, what's truly important is to protect the future of the dog species. Saving individual dog lives is nice, but completely inconsequential next to that critical long-term goal. What's important is to control and clean-up breeding. Puppy mill and backyard breeding create dangerous genetic illnesses that are passed down and accumulate in breeding lines. They are the modern day continuation of the purely esthetic breeding that started in the early 20th century, when people didn't know about genetic diseases. Now we know better. Good breeders do not breed dogs that test positive for a myriad of known genetic disease markers. They are the ones who should be respected and extolled for saving the species in the LONG-TERM. I understand this because I'm a geneticist. If you want the dog species to survive, you need to support good breeding practices, and that means testing for preventable genetic diseases and only breeding dogs that test negative for those.

1. This is factually not true
2. If you are a geneticist- what do you think of this study esp the Inbreeding factor of the Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever? http://dmm.biologists.org/content/9/12/1445#abstract-1

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because, when you have a dog bred for yourself (which is what going to a breeder is), you're sentencing to death the dog that you would have adopted (which is what you would be doing).

19:58 here.

And... there's lots of misinformation out there!

1. Rescues directly enable the dog industry by buying dogs at puppy mill auctions, and indirectly by transporting and distributing puppy mill dogs, for a small charitable donation, thereby feeding demand.

2. In the larger scheme of things that practically no one understands, what's truly important is to protect the future of the dog species. Saving individual dog lives is nice, but completely inconsequential next to that critical long-term goal. What's important is to control and clean-up breeding. Puppy mill and backyard breeding create dangerous genetic illnesses that are passed down and accumulate in breeding lines. They are the modern day continuation of the purely esthetic breeding that started in the early 20th century, when people didn't know about genetic diseases. Now we know better. Good breeders do not breed dogs that test positive for a myriad of known genetic disease markers. They are the ones who should be respected and extolled for saving the species in the LONG-TERM. I understand this because I'm a geneticist. If you want the dog species to survive, you need to support good breeding practices, and that means testing for preventable genetic diseases and only breeding dogs that test negative for those.

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I have 3 children. I need to know that the temperament of the parents/breed, I need to know that the dog and its relatives have been raised in a loving way and I need a dog that's a good family dog.

I don't care what people say pit bulls and Rottweilers etc. CAN be trained to kill. it's in their DNA. a rescue dog you never know what it's been through and when it may snap or turn on you. not it's fault, I am not blaming the dog, some of them have been through some trauma. with 3 little children, I can't afford to take that risk.

no matter what you do, a Labrador retriever cannot be trained to kill. a 5 year old can pull its tail, stick its hands in the mouth, bother him all day long and he will NEVER harm a child, they're sweet as can be, esp. if theyre bred for temperament etc.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here:

I have 3 children. I need to know that the temperament of the parents/breed, I need to know that the dog and its relatives have been raised in a loving way and I need a dog that's a good family dog.

I don't care what people say pit bulls and Rottweilers etc. CAN be trained to kill. it's in their DNA. a rescue dog you never know what it's been through and when it may snap or turn on you. not it's fault, I am not blaming the dog, some of them have been through some trauma. with 3 little children, I can't afford to take that risk.

no matter what you do, a Labrador retriever cannot be trained to kill. a 5 year old can pull its tail, stick its hands in the mouth, bother him all day long and he will NEVER harm a child, they're sweet as can be, esp. if theyre bred for temperament etc.

Sorry, you're completely wrong about that last point. As a local shelter volunteer, I saw pure-bred labs, goldens, and border collies all surrendered for biting a child or children in the family. ANY dog can and will bite if provoked enough.

Anonymous wrote:OP here:

I have 3 children. I need to know that the temperament of the parents/breed, I need to know that the dog and its relatives have been raised in a loving way and I need a dog that's a good family dog.

I don't care what people say pit bulls and Rottweilers etc. CAN be trained to kill. it's in their DNA. a rescue dog you never know what it's been through and when it may snap or turn on you. not it's fault, I am not blaming the dog, some of them have been through some trauma. with 3 little children, I can't afford to take that risk.

no matter what you do, a Labrador retriever cannot be trained to kill. a 5 year old can pull its tail, stick its hands in the mouth, bother him all day long and he will NEVER harm a child, they're sweet as can be, esp. if theyre bred for temperament etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Because most people who use breeders seem to be prioritizing vanity/status in lieu of actually saving an animal.

No, we just don’t want a pit bull or a pit mix.

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Huh? There are rescue orgs for just about every breed out there. There are many many rescue options outside of county shelters. I'm sure you already knew this though.

Anonymous wrote:Because it’s low class and cruel to use a breeder.

Anonymous wrote:Because it’s low class and cruel to use a breeder.

Anonymous wrote:Because it’s low class and cruel to use a breeder.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because, when you have a dog bred for yourself (which is what going to a breeder is), you're sentencing to death the dog that you would have adopted (which is what you would be doing).

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They might not save a dog. Cause hey might not get a dog at all if the only option is rescue.

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Anonymous wrote:Op here: the breeders I am looking at raise the dogs in their own home, test strictly for genetics and hips and diseases and breed for temperament, run all kinds of hereditary disease testing - ask potential buyers lots of questions and won’t even sell to just anyone bc they love their puppies so much

Breeders like this do exist. It just takes time and it’s not the cheapest. But in the long run a healthy dog is MUCH cheaper than one with problems. I bought from a breeder and the dog has never had a health problem.

This describes our breeder. Three years later, we still get occasional texts from us asking how our dog is and for pictures. Judging from her house (either she’s independently wealthy or has a wealthy spouse) she doesn’t earn her livelihood from breeding, she does it because it’s her passion.

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Anonymous wrote:Because, when you have a dog bred for yourself (which is what going to a breeder is), you're sentencing to death the dog that you would have adopted (which is what you would be doing).

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