Anonymous
Post 02/15/2019 11:04     Subject: Re:Here's what I don't understand about red shirting
Anonymous wrote:My youngest is an August birth and I have serious concerns about sending her on time. For one, children born in August are 34% more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD https://www.medpagetoday.com/neurology/adhd-add/76569

Surely that has to do with the fact that immaturity can look an awful lot like ADHD. Furthermore, they are less likely to graduate college than children born in September - why? Because during their primary schooling, they are being disciplined for their immaturity or simply not keeping up with their classmates in other ways. Children who think they are good at school like school more than kids who think they aren't very good at it.

They are also less likely to do well in maths as their brains aren't ready to learn it especially when it comes to middle and high school - and to suffer from poor self esteem. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9696487/Summer-born-children-struggling-with-maths.html

Many parents believe their August babies are doing well - my sister was an August baby and in all the Gifted and Talented programs throughout elementary school. But by 7th grade, she began falling behind.

The system is designed to be efficient but not to be fair. Should I let my August baby suffer for the rest of her life or should I red shirt her?


I did with my late August birthday. For me it was a decision based on social immaturity, but all your reasons are valid too
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2019 11:01     Subject: Here's what I don't understand about red shirting
Anonymous wrote:I have a fall birthday child. We paid for private for 2 years and transferred child in at 2nd when they don't look at age. Problem solved. Its amazing the age range in our classroom. Its really an unfair advantage if a child a year-18 months gets 99% test scores while mine gets in the mid 90's so she misses the gifted programs and they get in and the true difference is age. Testing and other things should be age normed. If I held my child back they'd be in gifted and 99% but I prefer to have them age appropriate.


I am confused by this. It sounds like the age appropriate class for your kid is the one a year younger than the one they're in. Otherwise why would you need to skirt the rules so they "didn't look at age"?

If you intentionally skirted the rules, then you can't complain that your kid is being compared to older kids. That's absurd. Asking for your child to be allowed to be in third grade gifted classes, when they have the age, maturity and skills of a gifted second grader is very selfish. You made your bed, at the expense of your child, now you need to lie in it.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2019 10:57     Subject: Here's what I don't understand about red shirting
Anonymous wrote:I have a fall birthday child. We paid for private for 2 years and transferred child in at 2nd when they don't look at age. Problem solved. Its amazing the age range in our classroom. Its really an unfair advantage if a child a year-18 months gets 99% test scores while mine gets in the mid 90's so she misses the gifted programs and they get in and the true difference is age. Testing and other things should be age normed. If I held my child back they'd be in gifted and 99% but I prefer to have them age appropriate.


Gifted tests are age-normed.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2019 10:56     Subject: Here's what I don't understand about red shirting
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Anonymous wrote:This came up on the other threads but was never really answered. Now that people are starting to red shirt kids with spring and even winter birthdays, in order to get an extra year on the kids routinely being red shirted with fall and late summer birthdays, what does that do to the kids with the fall birthdays? It just sets everything back a year. Does that mean they're going to start red shirting two years in a row?



That’s not why people redshirt.


Why do they?


There are literally 50 pages of threads on this with dozens of stories of why people redshirted.


The stories are all the same and virtually none cite a visit to a dev ped or educational professional. Defensive, hm.


People don't owe you explanations. I wouldn't explain anything to the nasty people here.


You’re a bigger crybaby than any kid.


Thanks for demonstrating the point!

I didn't know much about redshirting when I started reading DCUM, but the behavior of the anti-redshirt posters here made it easy to see that they didn't have a leg to stand on. Nasty, hyper-competitive, appalling people.


Christ, shut up. You’re old, your kids are old, you have no investment and your take is a real 180 from reality. No one cares, including your poor spouse.


Such grace.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2019 10:55     Subject: Here's what I don't understand about red shirting
Anonymous wrote:I have a fall birthday child. We paid for private for 2 years and transferred child in at 2nd when they don't look at age. Problem solved. Its amazing the age range in our classroom. Its really an unfair advantage if a child a year-18 months gets 99% test scores while mine gets in the mid 90's so she misses the gifted programs and they get in and the true difference is age. Testing and other things should be age normed. If I held my child back they'd be in gifted and 99% but I prefer to have them age appropriate.


Testing for the gifted program in FCPS is age-normed, likely in other districts (the tests are age-normed).

The reason that gifted programs can skew younger is that parents are less likely to redshirt a gifted child, even if they're immature, because they want the academic challenge for the child.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2019 10:52     Subject: Re:Here's what I don't understand about red shirting
My youngest is an August birth and I have serious concerns about sending her on time. For one, children born in August are 34% more likely to be diagnosed with ADHD https://www.medpagetoday.com/neurology/adhd-add/76569

Surely that has to do with the fact that immaturity can look an awful lot like ADHD. Furthermore, they are less likely to graduate college than children born in September - why? Because during their primary schooling, they are being disciplined for their immaturity or simply not keeping up with their classmates in other ways. Children who think they are good at school like school more than kids who think they aren't very good at it.

They are also less likely to do well in maths as their brains aren't ready to learn it especially when it comes to middle and high school - and to suffer from poor self esteem. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9696487/Summer-born-children-struggling-with-maths.html

Many parents believe their August babies are doing well - my sister was an August baby and in all the Gifted and Talented programs throughout elementary school. But by 7th grade, she began falling behind.

The system is designed to be efficient but not to be fair. Should I let my August baby suffer for the rest of her life or should I red shirt her?
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2019 10:51     Subject: Re:Here's what I don't understand about red shirting
Anonymous wrote:Redshirting is not new. I turned 18 a few weeks after starting college. Many of my friends were already 19! This was in the 90s


Me, too. My best friend in high school was almost a full year older.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2019 10:50     Subject: Here's what I don't understand about red shirting
Anonymous wrote:I have a fall birthday child. We paid for private for 2 years and transferred child in at 2nd when they don't look at age. Problem solved. Its amazing the age range in our classroom. Its really an unfair advantage if a child a year-18 months gets 99% test scores while mine gets in the mid 90's so she misses the gifted programs and they get in and the true difference is age. Testing and other things should be age normed. If I held my child back they'd be in gifted and 99% but I prefer to have them age appropriate.


Same.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2019 10:45     Subject: Here's what I don't understand about red shirting
I have a fall birthday child. We paid for private for 2 years and transferred child in at 2nd when they don't look at age. Problem solved. Its amazing the age range in our classroom. Its really an unfair advantage if a child a year-18 months gets 99% test scores while mine gets in the mid 90's so she misses the gifted programs and they get in and the true difference is age. Testing and other things should be age normed. If I held my child back they'd be in gifted and 99% but I prefer to have them age appropriate.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2019 10:43     Subject: Re:Here's what I don't understand about red shirting
Redshirting is not new. I turned 18 a few weeks after starting college. Many of my friends were already 19! This was in the 90s
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2019 10:41     Subject: Here's what I don't understand about red shirting
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Anonymous wrote:This came up on the other threads but was never really answered. Now that people are starting to red shirt kids with spring and even winter birthdays, in order to get an extra year on the kids routinely being red shirted with fall and late summer birthdays, what does that do to the kids with the fall birthdays? It just sets everything back a year. Does that mean they're going to start red shirting two years in a row?



That’s not why people redshirt.


Why do they?


There are literally 50 pages of threads on this with dozens of stories of why people redshirted.


The stories are all the same and virtually none cite a visit to a dev ped or educational professional. Defensive, hm.


People don't owe you explanations. I wouldn't explain anything to the nasty people here.


You’re a bigger crybaby than any kid.


Thanks for demonstrating the point!

I didn't know much about redshirting when I started reading DCUM, but the behavior of the anti-redshirt posters here made it easy to see that they didn't have a leg to stand on. Nasty, hyper-competitive, appalling people.


Christ, shut up. You’re old, your kids are old, you have no investment and your take is a real 180 from reality. No one cares, including your poor spouse.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2019 10:40     Subject: Here's what I don't understand about red shirting
In one of the other threads, a few people mentioned that they redshirted because their child feels more comfortable being on the older end in class. Now if more spring bdays are redshirted, I wonder whether the arms race will continue, with others redshirting earlier and earlier to ensure that their child can be among the oldest.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2019 10:39     Subject: Here's what I don't understand about red shirting
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Anonymous wrote:This came up on the other threads but was never really answered. Now that people are starting to red shirt kids with spring and even winter birthdays, in order to get an extra year on the kids routinely being red shirted with fall and late summer birthdays, what does that do to the kids with the fall birthdays? It just sets everything back a year. Does that mean they're going to start red shirting two years in a row?



That’s not why people redshirt.


Why do they?


There are literally 50 pages of threads on this with dozens of stories of why people redshirted.


The stories are all the same and virtually none cite a visit to a dev ped or educational professional. Defensive, hm.


People don't owe you explanations. I wouldn't explain anything to the nasty people here.


You’re a bigger crybaby than any kid.


Thanks for demonstrating the point!

I didn't know much about redshirting when I started reading DCUM, but the behavior of the anti-redshirt posters here made it easy to see that they didn't have a leg to stand on. Nasty, hyper-competitive, appalling people.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2019 10:35     Subject: Here's what I don't understand about red shirting
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Anonymous wrote:This came up on the other threads but was never really answered. Now that people are starting to red shirt kids with spring and even winter birthdays, in order to get an extra year on the kids routinely being red shirted with fall and late summer birthdays, what does that do to the kids with the fall birthdays? It just sets everything back a year. Does that mean they're going to start red shirting two years in a row?



That’s not why people redshirt.


Why do they?


There are literally 50 pages of threads on this with dozens of stories of why people redshirted.


The stories are all the same and virtually none cite a visit to a dev ped or educational professional. Defensive, hm.


People don't owe you explanations. I wouldn't explain anything to the nasty people here.


You’re a bigger crybaby than any kid.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2019 10:30     Subject: Here's what I don't understand about red shirting
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Anonymous wrote:This came up on the other threads but was never really answered. Now that people are starting to red shirt kids with spring and even winter birthdays, in order to get an extra year on the kids routinely being red shirted with fall and late summer birthdays, what does that do to the kids with the fall birthdays? It just sets everything back a year. Does that mean they're going to start red shirting two years in a row?



That’s not why people redshirt.


Why do they?


There are literally 50 pages of threads on this with dozens of stories of why people redshirted.


The stories are all the same and virtually none cite a visit to a dev ped or educational professional. Defensive, hm.


People don't owe you explanations. I wouldn't explain anything to the nasty people here.