Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole Asian/cohort thing is so tiresome. I don't know the answer, but I do know that this is not about a race of "smarter" kids. Asian families, for the most part, value education and invest in many additional educational opportunities for their kids. These kids are better prepared when it comes time for various assessments. They spend more time in classes, in music lessons, practicing, working. That pays off for them in these competitions. It may also work against them when other types of skills are needed. I just hope they take joy in the time they spend on these activities. Congrats to all the kids who are working at this level.
As an Asian American, I agree. Do I upset that there is almost zero Asian American in NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB? No, I know that these sports need different skill sets. Should NFL draft consider race? No.
I enjoy the sports whenever played by the best athletics.
That is a pretty obtuse interpretation. I was actually thinking more about interview skills when it comes to Ivy league colleges. I am not against diversity, which is why I think requiring a variety of criteria (essays, recommendations, interviews etc for placements) is a good idea, and I don't think that just because a kid has extra training means they they are "smarter" (re-read my post). I also don't think Asian kids should be punished for working hard. It's just tricky. But, regardless, these kids have achieved a wonderful accolade and should be lauded.
BTW, our current cultural emphasis on diversity is way to the advantage of Asians in theatre.
DP.. given that there is a large % of Asian Americans in Ivy league schools, I'd say their interviewing skills are fine. I am going to also assume that many of the kids who won go on to top tier universities because winning such a competition is pretty darn amazing.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole Asian/cohort thing is so tiresome. I don't know the answer, but I do know that this is not about a race of "smarter" kids. Asian families, for the most part, value education and invest in many additional educational opportunities for their kids. These kids are better prepared when it comes time for various assessments. They spend more time in classes, in music lessons, practicing, working. That pays off for them in these competitions. It may also work against them when other types of skills are needed. I just hope they take joy in the time they spend on these activities. Congrats to all the kids who are working at this level.
That seems like a back handed compliment. Why do you assume those kids don't love what they are doing? Or you assuming that maybe it's the parents pressuring them?
My 13 yr old has been spending 2+ hours/day coding. I tell him to get off after 2 hours max and give himself a break, but if I didn't tell him to do this, he'd spend all day doing it. Now.. if he was going to be in a prestigious competition to win $ for college, I'd let him spend all his time coding.
If you saw a white or black kid who broke some sports record would you say, "wow.. they spend so much time practicing that sport, but it make work against them when other types of skills are needed. I just hope they take joy in the time they spend on these activities, but congrats to them who are working at this level".
It may shock you to know that, indeed, some of these kids *really* do enjoy science and spending a lot of time on it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole Asian/cohort thing is so tiresome. I don't know the answer, but I do know that this is not about a race of "smarter" kids. Asian families, for the most part, value education and invest in many additional educational opportunities for their kids. These kids are better prepared when it comes time for various assessments. They spend more time in classes, in music lessons, practicing, working. That pays off for them in these competitions. It may also work against them when other types of skills are needed. I just hope they take joy in the time they spend on these activities. Congrats to all the kids who are working at this level.
That seems like a back handed compliment. Why do you assume those kids don't love what they are doing? Or you assuming that maybe it's the parents pressuring them?
My 13 yr old has been spending 2+ hours/day coding. I tell him to get off after 2 hours max and give himself a break, but if I didn't tell him to do this, he'd spend all day doing it. Now.. if he was going to be in a prestigious competition to win $ for college, I'd let him spend all his time coding.
If you saw a white or black kid who broke some sports record would you say, "wow.. they spend so much time practicing that sport, but it make work against them when other types of skills are needed. I just hope they take joy in the time they spend on these activities, but congrats to them who are working at this level".
It may shock you to know that, indeed, some of these kids *really* do enjoy science and spending a lot of time on it.
Anonymous wrote:Dude, there is like 4 non-asian kids in that group. LOL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole Asian/cohort thing is so tiresome. I don't know the answer, but I do know that this is not about a race of "smarter" kids. Asian families, for the most part, value education and invest in many additional educational opportunities for their kids. These kids are better prepared when it comes time for various assessments. They spend more time in classes, in music lessons, practicing, working. That pays off for them in these competitions. It may also work against them when other types of skills are needed. I just hope they take joy in the time they spend on these activities. Congrats to all the kids who are working at this level.
As an Asian American, I agree. Do I upset that there is almost zero Asian American in NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB? No, I know that these sports need different skill sets. Should NFL draft consider race? No.
I enjoy the sports whenever played by the best athletics.
That is a pretty obtuse interpretation. I was actually thinking more about interview skills when it comes to Ivy league colleges. I am not against diversity, which is why I think requiring a variety of criteria (essays, recommendations, interviews etc for placements) is a good idea, and I don't think that just because a kid has extra training means they they are "smarter" (re-read my post). I also don't think Asian kids should be punished for working hard. It's just tricky. But, regardless, these kids have achieved a wonderful accolade and should be lauded.
BTW, our current cultural emphasis on diversity is way to the advantage of Asians in theatre.
Anonymous wrote:The whole Asian/cohort thing is so tiresome. I don't know the answer, but I do know that this is not about a race of "smarter" kids. Asian families, for the most part, value education and invest in many additional educational opportunities for their kids. These kids are better prepared when it comes time for various assessments. They spend more time in classes, in music lessons, practicing, working. That pays off for them in these competitions. It may also work against them when other types of skills are needed. I just hope they take joy in the time they spend on these activities. Congrats to all the kids who are working at this level.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole Asian/cohort thing is so tiresome. I don't know the answer, but I do know that this is not about a race of "smarter" kids. Asian families, for the most part, value education and invest in many additional educational opportunities for their kids. These kids are better prepared when it comes time for various assessments. They spend more time in classes, in music lessons, practicing, working. That pays off for them in these competitions. It may also work against them when other types of skills are needed. I just hope they take joy in the time they spend on these activities. Congrats to all the kids who are working at this level.
As an Asian American, I agree. Do I upset that there is almost zero Asian American in NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB? No, I know that these sports need different skill sets. Should NFL draft consider race? No.
I enjoy the sports whenever played by the best athletics.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WTF on these posters claiming MCPS wants to “close the gap” on Asian Americans winning contests?! So mean spirited. Obviously everyone at MCPS is thrilled for these kids. Shame on you.
All the Asian immigrants are what is causing the college stress to go sky high for everyone. They run their poor kids into the ground for perfection. Their practices are not healthy and it is now ruining this country as well.
https://planamag.com/why-are-asian-american-kids-killing-themselves-477a3f6ea3f2
Anonymous wrote:WTF on these posters claiming MCPS wants to “close the gap” on Asian Americans winning contests?! So mean spirited. Obviously everyone at MCPS is thrilled for these kids. Shame on you.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not an OP. But...
It is evidence that MCPS was not happy that the 4th/5th grade HGCs were full of Asian Americans and not enough Hispanic and African Americans. That was (and is) the achievement gap that MCPS is trying to close by rename the HGC to CES and adding the cohort criteria.
It is evidence that MCPS was not happy that the middle school magnet at Eastern and TPMS were full of Asian Americans and not enough Hispanic and African Americans. That was (and is) the achievement gap that MCPS is trying to close by adding the cohort criteria.
Eventually, Blair SMAC selection criteria will be changed too to "close the achievement gap"...
Eventually, there will be no more Regeneron Finalist from MCPS...
So you’re saying non Asian kids are incapable of high achievement because they’re inherently not as smart as Asians? OK, racist.
'Anonymous wrote:I understand why Montgomery County is rethinking the criteria for selecting kids for the magnet program for the overall good of society. But as a parent of a SMACS graduate who was an InTel finalist, I often wonder if my DC would have been admitted to the magnet program under the current criteria given that we live in a W school district where he would have had a cohort and, therefore, might no longer be eligible. While he was always a bright kid, the experience of being at the magnet with like minded kids is what allowed him to reach this level at this age. Should less privileged kids be given these opportunities? Definitely. Will these formative experiences change the trajectory of my DC’s life long term? I really don’t know. It seems more likely to change the direction for a less privileged student. But selfishly, I am glad that these criteria were not in place at the time.