Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Historical totals:

Not exactly the trend lines the Board of Visitors would want to see.

Yield rates are down at most schools over this time period because students apply to more schools. (Schools like Harvard and Stanford buck the trend.) UVA yield rate declined 10.5 percentage points over the same period. At Doctoral institutions, average yield declined from 37.3% in 2007 to 30.3% in 2014.

Notre Dame (not exactly Harvard or Stanford):
2013: 52.6%
2014: 53.1%
2015: 55.8%
2016: 56.0%
2017: 55.4%
2018: 57.4%

You are just injecting a strawman argument. I didn't say ONLY Harvard or Stanford thereby precluding Notre Dame (and you would have to take Notre Dame data back further to verify).

The point was the yield should be viewed in context and overall yield is going down at most schools and overall (from 37.3% in 2007 to 30.3% in 2014 at Doctoral institutions. In Virginia, the trend is down following national trends. From 2004 to 2017, W&M declined from 39.7% to 28.6%, UVA declined from 53.8% to 37.9%, VT declined from 38.7% to 35.6%, GMU declined from 33.4% to 23.5%, VCU declined from 46% to 32.9%, and JMU declined from 34.7% to 29.4%.

This doesn't mean the board at W&M wouldn't want a higher yield, but it puts it in a context that isn't apparent when that original graphic is seen in isolation.

Anonymous wrote:Why with all the problems with the Catholic church would any parent send their kid to a Catholic University when there are 5,399 others to pick. And in South Bend? And at $72K a year in after-tax dollars????

Because it's a good school and they like it.

(Why with all the problems with the VA government would any parent send their kid to a VA university from out of state when there are 5,399 others to pick. And in Williamsburg? And at 65K a year in after-tax dollars????)

Thank you to whomever posted the library video. That was priceless! I think my daughter is more deeply in love with the school than ever.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Historical totals:

Not exactly the trend lines the Board of Visitors would want to see.

Yield rates are down at most schools over this time period because students apply to more schools. (Schools like Harvard and Stanford buck the trend.) UVA yield rate declined 10.5 percentage points over the same period. At Doctoral institutions, average yield declined from 37.3% in 2007 to 30.3% in 2014.

Notre Dame (not exactly Harvard or Stanford):
2013: 52.6%
2014: 53.1%
2015: 55.8%
2016: 56.0%
2017: 55.4%
2018: 57.4%

The missing piece is that as a private school. Notre Dame probably spends more money than a public on yielding their admitted students.

Um, you forgot to mention that ND is a much more desired school than W&M. https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Notre+Dame&with=College+of+William+and+Mary
For many who apply also to elite schools, W&M is just a safety.

Why with all the problems with the Catholic church would any parent send their kid to a Catholic University when there are 5,399 others to pick. And in South Bend? And at $72K a year in after-tax dollars????

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Historical totals:

Not exactly the trend lines the Board of Visitors would want to see.

Yield rates are down at most schools over this time period because students apply to more schools. (Schools like Harvard and Stanford buck the trend.) UVA yield rate declined 10.5 percentage points over the same period. At Doctoral institutions, average yield declined from 37.3% in 2007 to 30.3% in 2014.

Notre Dame (not exactly Harvard or Stanford):
2013: 52.6%
2014: 53.1%
2015: 55.8%
2016: 56.0%
2017: 55.4%
2018: 57.4%

The missing piece is that as a private school. Notre Dame probably spends more money than a public on yielding their admitted students.

Um, you forgot to mention that ND is a much more desired school than W&M. https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Notre+Dame&with=College+of+William+and+Mary
For many who apply also to elite schools, W&M is just a safety.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Historical totals:

Not exactly the trend lines the Board of Visitors would want to see.

Yield rates are down at most schools over this time period because students apply to more schools. (Schools like Harvard and Stanford buck the trend.) UVA yield rate declined 10.5 percentage points over the same period. At Doctoral institutions, average yield declined from 37.3% in 2007 to 30.3% in 2014.

Notre Dame (not exactly Harvard or Stanford):
2013: 52.6%
2014: 53.1%
2015: 55.8%
2016: 56.0%
2017: 55.4%
2018: 57.4%

The missing piece is that as a private school. Notre Dame probably spends more money than a public on yielding their admitted students.

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Anonymous wrote:It has a reputation as not being a very "fun" school.

But ranked #1 for happiest students in Princeton Review based on survey data.

That’s from the Best 380 whatever book. It’s based on some surveys, not really systematic data. How many W&M students filled out those surveys?

Retention rate and alumni giving are more indicative of overall student happiness. Those stats don’t rely on students filling out a survey.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Historical totals:

Not exactly the trend lines the Board of Visitors would want to see.

Yield rates are down at most schools over this time period because students apply to more schools. (Schools like Harvard and Stanford buck the trend.) UVA yield rate declined 10.5 percentage points over the same period. At Doctoral institutions, average yield declined from 37.3% in 2007 to 30.3% in 2014.

Notre Dame (not exactly Harvard or Stanford):
2013: 52.6%
2014: 53.1%
2015: 55.8%
2016: 56.0%
2017: 55.4%
2018: 57.4%

Anonymous wrote:It has a reputation as not being a very "fun" school.

But ranked #1 for happiest students in Princeton Review based on survey data.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Historical totals:

Not exactly the trend lines the Board of Visitors would want to see.

Yield rates are down at most schools over this time period because students apply to more schools. (Schools like Harvard and Stanford buck the trend.) UVA yield rate declined 10.5 percentage points over the same period. At Doctoral institutions, average yield declined from 37.3% in 2007 to 30.3% in 2014.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the atmosphere like there?

Intense. Very academic.

That doesn't really capture it at all. It is academic in that kids do want to learn, and they are very busy, but it isn't cutthroat in any way and students are friendly and supportive.

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Anonymous wrote:That admit rate (particularly from in-state) is higher than I would expect. I wonder if the number of applicants has been dropping.

It's self-selecting. Only top students with stellar stats apply.

You haven't provided data to support this. Much of the self-selection is based on kids deciding whether they'd like the atmosphere at W&M. It's not everyone's cup of tea.

What school is everyone's cup of tea? Should any school be everyone's cup of tea?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:High suicide rate.

That’s a grotesque comment.

NP here, no it’s not because the school did have, at one time, one of the highest suicide rates for colleges. I believe that has changed significantly but it is still very intense.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Historical totals:

Not exactly the trend lines the Board of Visitors would want to see.

You don’t know what the board wants. Maybe they are more concerned with rentention and graduate rates. Those factors are part of the US News methodology while application totals and acceptance rate are not.


Maybe you should look at Board meeting minutes and statements and then let us know what you found.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the atmosphere like there?

Intense. Very academic.

well, my observation from watching the kids at my son's NOVA high school: the kids who got in generally were intense and very academic. the kids who did not, less so.