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Anonymous wrote:San Francisco is scrapping it's all-city lottery to return to a more geographically based system: https://www.sfchronicle.com/education/article/SF-school-board-plans-to-replace-failing-school-13461014.php

It would be extremely foolish for DC to go down a path that's already been proven not to work.

We need *thoughtful* solutions, not "ed reform" pro-charter crap. Set asides, carefully thought out choice sets for some places, and other measures that encourage integration.

Integration is such a liberal white folks things. Have you actually talked to any black folks almost none actually want it. In fact most people are fine with the current DC education landscape.

The key for schools is always the principal. There are several success stories with public and charters getting real results with at-risk kids. Its time to take some of the assistant principals at these schools and give them their own schools. That's the only change that needs to happen.

+1. We LOVED Jim Crow. Loved it.

I am not familiar with that DC school. What did you love about it?

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Integration is such a liberal white folks things. Have you actually talked to any black folks almost none actually want it. In fact most people are fine with the current DC education landscape.

The key for schools is always the principal. There are several success stories with public and charters getting real results with at-risk kids. Its time to take some of the assistant principals at these schools and give them their own schools. That's the only change that needs to happen.

In fact, many of the black folks I have talked to about school options have specifically mentioned an integrated school as important to them. And it certainly a focus of black writers/reporters like Nikole Hannah-Jones.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/magazine/the-resegregation-of-jefferson-county.html

+1. Black person here (raises hand). I want integrated schools, and know plenty of other black people who agree with me. Why revisit this point? We know from history that predominantly black/brown schools don't get the same resources as white schools (Brown vs. Board, anyone?). Plus, I think there is value in attending school with people from different backgrounds--I wish more on this thread felt that way.

PP here. On a related note, Linda Brown (of Brown vs. Board) just passed away yesterday. Never knew the following:

"In 1979, Linda Brown, now with her own children in Topeka schools, became a plaintiff in a resurrected version of Brown, which still had the same title. Topeka Capital-Journal archives indicate the plaintiffs sued the school district for not following through with desegregation.
"Federal Judge Richard Rogers sided with the school district in a 1987 decision, but an appeals court reversed his ruling in 1989 and the Supreme Court chose not to review that decision. Rogers then approved a desegregation plan for Topeka Unified School District 501 in 1993.”

Never knew this issue dragged out so long—people really held on to their segregated schools. I can’t believe we’re still here debating whether integrated schools are needed.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/26/597154953/linda-brown-who-was-at-center-of-brown-v-board-of-education-dies?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social

Anonymous wrote:There simply aren't enough "white kids" enrolled in DC schools for any meaningful integration to occur, even in theory. You gotta have much, much more than 10% enrolled to even have a conversation about "how do we integrate these kids?"

yup this all boils down to mostly white gentrifiers wanting their property values to go up by having more gentrifies attend the neighborhood school increasing its rating and making it more attractive to more risk adverse gentrfiers

There simply aren't enough "white kids" enrolled in DC schools for any meaningful integration to occur, even in theory. You gotta have much, much more than 10% enrolled to even have a conversation about "how do we integrate these kids?"

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Anonymous wrote:San Francisco is scrapping it's all-city lottery to return to a more geographically based system: https://www.sfchronicle.com/education/article/SF-school-board-plans-to-replace-failing-school-13461014.php

It would be extremely foolish for DC to go down a path that's already been proven not to work.

We need *thoughtful* solutions, not "ed reform" pro-charter crap. Set asides, carefully thought out choice sets for some places, and other measures that encourage integration.

Integration is such a liberal white folks things. Have you actually talked to any black folks almost none actually want it. In fact most people are fine with the current DC education landscape.

The key for schools is always the principal. There are several success stories with public and charters getting real results with at-risk kids. Its time to take some of the assistant principals at these schools and give them their own schools. That's the only change that needs to happen.

I am the PP you're responding to - I agree with you by and large. The integration I'm more concerned about is where white gentrifiers refuse to attend their zoned schools. Totally agree about the role of principals - with their key role being ensuring quality teaching.

that's tricky too. In many of these neighborhoods you have black folks lottering in that are perfectly fine with the school. Once more white folks start attending they start to try and take over plus they take OOB spots away.

Right, the flip side of Nikole Hannah Jones. White people refuse to attend = racist. White people attend = racist.

White or black, liberals prefer to blame rather than to think.

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PP here. Agree with this in theory, but in practice, that’s not how it works out. Look at PTA funds at WOTP schools, as just one prominent example of inequity in resources. Also, affluent communities (in this city and most cities, mostly white) have ways of agitating for resources that poor/minority schools aren’t able to do.

That's exactly right- integration isn't some sort of magic whereby the kids sit around and sing kumbaya and tutor each other. It works to raise scores and narrow the achievement gap because social and political resources (beyond simply money) generally accrue towards schools with white kids in them- that's just how it is in America. PTA money. Connections with local institutions. Social networks of parents. Attracting a broader range of teachers.

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Integration is such a liberal white folks things. Have you actually talked to any black folks almost none actually want it. In fact most people are fine with the current DC education landscape.

The key for schools is always the principal. There are several success stories with public and charters getting real results with at-risk kids. Its time to take some of the assistant principals at these schools and give them their own schools. That's the only change that needs to happen.

In fact, many of the black folks I have talked to about school options have specifically mentioned an integrated school as important to them. And it certainly a focus of black writers/reporters like Nikole Hannah-Jones.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/magazine/the-resegregation-of-jefferson-county.html

+1. Black person here (raises hand). I want integrated schools, and know plenty of other black people who agree with me. Why revisit this point? We know from history that predominantly black/brown schools don't get the same resources as white schools (Brown vs. Board, anyone?). Plus, I think there is value in attending school with people from different backgrounds--I wish more on this thread felt that way.

I agree with you on the different background being beneficial thing. In 2018 schools receive equal funding so that's not an issue. With open choice if people want to integrate great if not so be it. I think trying to socially engineer this stuff isn't the way to go.

PP here. Agree with this in theory, but in practice, that’s not how it works out. Look at PTA funds at WOTP schools, as just one prominent example of inequity in resources. Also, affluent communities (in this city and most cities, mostly white) have ways of agitating for resources that poor/minority schools aren’t able to do.

The PTA money thing could be equalized by DCPS funding aids for all grades -- that's the main instructional difference. My admittedly short experience in DCPS indicates that the BIG difference in schools is a strong principal who can retain a talented teaching staff. I'm not sure that's just a money issue, or if it's also a parent organization issue.

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Integration is such a liberal white folks things. Have you actually talked to any black folks almost none actually want it. In fact most people are fine with the current DC education landscape.

The key for schools is always the principal. There are several success stories with public and charters getting real results with at-risk kids. Its time to take some of the assistant principals at these schools and give them their own schools. That's the only change that needs to happen.

In fact, many of the black folks I have talked to about school options have specifically mentioned an integrated school as important to them. And it certainly a focus of black writers/reporters like Nikole Hannah-Jones.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/magazine/the-resegregation-of-jefferson-county.html

+1. Black person here (raises hand). I want integrated schools, and know plenty of other black people who agree with me. Why revisit this point? We know from history that predominantly black/brown schools don't get the same resources as white schools (Brown vs. Board, anyone?). Plus, I think there is value in attending school with people from different backgrounds--I wish more on this thread felt that way.

I agree with you on the different background being beneficial thing. In 2018 schools receive equal funding so that's not an issue. With open choice if people want to integrate great if not so be it. I think trying to socially engineer this stuff isn't the way to go.

PP here. Agree with this in theory, but in practice, that’s not how it works out. Look at PTA funds at WOTP schools, as just one prominent example of inequity in resources. Also, affluent communities (in this city and most cities, mostly white) have ways of agitating for resources that poor/minority schools aren’t able to do.

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Anonymous wrote:San Francisco is scrapping it's all-city lottery to return to a more geographically based system: https://www.sfchronicle.com/education/article/SF-school-board-plans-to-replace-failing-school-13461014.php

It would be extremely foolish for DC to go down a path that's already been proven not to work.

We need *thoughtful* solutions, not "ed reform" pro-charter crap. Set asides, carefully thought out choice sets for some places, and other measures that encourage integration.

Integration is such a liberal white folks things. Have you actually talked to any black folks almost none actually want it. In fact most people are fine with the current DC education landscape.

The key for schools is always the principal. There are several success stories with public and charters getting real results with at-risk kids. Its time to take some of the assistant principals at these schools and give them their own schools. That's the only change that needs to happen.

I am the PP you're responding to - I agree with you by and large. The integration I'm more concerned about is where white gentrifiers refuse to attend their zoned schools. Totally agree about the role of principals - with their key role being ensuring quality teaching.

that's tricky too. In many of these neighborhoods you have black folks lottering in that are perfectly fine with the school. Once more white folks start attending they start to try and take over plus they take OOB spots away.

Right, the flip side of Nikole Hannah Jones. White people refuse to attend = racist. White people attend = racist.

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Anonymous wrote:San Francisco is scrapping it's all-city lottery to return to a more geographically based system: https://www.sfchronicle.com/education/article/SF-school-board-plans-to-replace-failing-school-13461014.php

It would be extremely foolish for DC to go down a path that's already been proven not to work.

We need *thoughtful* solutions, not "ed reform" pro-charter crap. Set asides, carefully thought out choice sets for some places, and other measures that encourage integration.

Integration is such a liberal white folks things. Have you actually talked to any black folks almost none actually want it. In fact most people are fine with the current DC education landscape.

The key for schools is always the principal. There are several success stories with public and charters getting real results with at-risk kids. Its time to take some of the assistant principals at these schools and give them their own schools. That's the only change that needs to happen.

+1. We LOVED Jim Crow. Loved it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Integration is such a liberal white folks things. Have you actually talked to any black folks almost none actually want it. In fact most people are fine with the current DC education landscape.

The key for schools is always the principal. There are several success stories with public and charters getting real results with at-risk kids. Its time to take some of the assistant principals at these schools and give them their own schools. That's the only change that needs to happen.

In fact, many of the black folks I have talked to about school options have specifically mentioned an integrated school as important to them. And it certainly a focus of black writers/reporters like Nikole Hannah-Jones.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/magazine/the-resegregation-of-jefferson-county.html

+1. Black person here (raises hand). I want integrated schools, and know plenty of other black people who agree with me. Why revisit this point? We know from history that predominantly black/brown schools don't get the same resources as white schools (Brown vs. Board, anyone?). Plus, I think there is value in attending school with people from different backgrounds--I wish more on this thread felt that way.

I agree with you on the different background being beneficial thing. In 2018 schools receive equal funding so that's not an issue. With open choice if people want to integrate great if not so be it. I think trying to socially engineer this stuff isn't the way to go.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Integration is such a liberal white folks things. Have you actually talked to any black folks almost none actually want it. In fact most people are fine with the current DC education landscape.

The key for schools is always the principal. There are several success stories with public and charters getting real results with at-risk kids. Its time to take some of the assistant principals at these schools and give them their own schools. That's the only change that needs to happen.

In fact, many of the black folks I have talked to about school options have specifically mentioned an integrated school as important to them. And it certainly a focus of black writers/reporters like Nikole Hannah-Jones.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/magazine/the-resegregation-of-jefferson-county.html

+1. Black person here (raises hand). I want integrated schools, and know plenty of other black people who agree with me. Why revisit this point? We know from history that predominantly black/brown schools don't get the same resources as white schools (Brown vs. Board, anyone?). Plus, I think there is value in attending school with people from different backgrounds--I wish more on this thread felt that way.

I don't disagree with you; I just think getting rid of IB schools would be incredibly short-sighted and not likely to lead to more integration.

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Anonymous wrote:San Francisco is scrapping it's all-city lottery to return to a more geographically based system: https://www.sfchronicle.com/education/article/SF-school-board-plans-to-replace-failing-school-13461014.php

It would be extremely foolish for DC to go down a path that's already been proven not to work.

We need *thoughtful* solutions, not "ed reform" pro-charter crap. Set asides, carefully thought out choice sets for some places, and other measures that encourage integration.

Integration is such a liberal white folks things. Have you actually talked to any black folks almost none actually want it. In fact most people are fine with the current DC education landscape.

The key for schools is always the principal. There are several success stories with public and charters getting real results with at-risk kids. Its time to take some of the assistant principals at these schools and give them their own schools. That's the only change that needs to happen.

I am the PP you're responding to - I agree with you by and large. The integration I'm more concerned about is where white gentrifiers refuse to attend their zoned schools. Totally agree about the role of principals - with their key role being ensuring quality teaching.

that's tricky too. In many of these neighborhoods you have black folks lottering in that are perfectly fine with the school. Once more white folks start attending they start to try and take over plus they take OOB spots away.

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Anonymous wrote:

Integration is such a liberal white folks things. Have you actually talked to any black folks almost none actually want it. In fact most people are fine with the current DC education landscape.

The key for schools is always the principal. There are several success stories with public and charters getting real results with at-risk kids. Its time to take some of the assistant principals at these schools and give them their own schools. That's the only change that needs to happen.

In fact, many of the black folks I have talked to about school options have specifically mentioned an integrated school as important to them. And it certainly a focus of black writers/reporters like Nikole Hannah-Jones.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/magazine/the-resegregation-of-jefferson-county.html

+1. Black person here (raises hand). I want integrated schools, and know plenty of other black people who agree with me. Why revisit this point? We know from history that predominantly black/brown schools don't get the same resources as white schools (Brown vs. Board, anyone?). Plus, I think there is value in attending school with people from different backgrounds--I wish more on this thread felt that way.

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Anonymous wrote:

Integration is such a liberal white folks things. Have you actually talked to any black folks almost none actually want it. In fact most people are fine with the current DC education landscape.

The key for schools is always the principal. There are several success stories with public and charters getting real results with at-risk kids. Its time to take some of the assistant principals at these schools and give them their own schools. That's the only change that needs to happen.

In fact, many of the black folks I have talked to about school options have specifically mentioned an integrated school as important to them. And it certainly a focus of black writers/reporters like Nikole Hannah-Jones.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/magazine/the-resegregation-of-jefferson-county.html

Cannot stand Nikole Hannah Jones. She's also a hypocrite, as she rejected her own zoned school in favor of one that was more functional. Not on the basis of race, true, but goes to show that all parents try to maximize their school choice. And wait and see where she sends her kid to MS ...

never mind the fact that her whole thing is all white people are racist. Even though many UMC black folks avoid certain schools just like whites, asians, hispanics etc

she has no interest in working towards solutions either