Anonymous wrote:Moving Bancroft out would suck for me, I plan to move to Mt Pleasant for the Wilson boundary! But I can still move west of the park, which I suppose, if DCPS were to go this route, they would need to assess the in-migration to the Wilson boundary that would result.

Perhaps the school for those families who doesn't want language immersion is zoned for Wilson?

No I love this thread. To me it says people are really thinking about the alternatives ahead of the boundary changes now that we know the status quo for Deal and Wilson will be untenable.

Anonymous wrote:This was mentioned in the Wilson overcrowding thread. I think it makes the most sense to feed these kids into a bilingual DCPS-McFarland. it really is the only chance McFarland has at becoming a solid performing middle school. I have a K kid at a Title 1 feeder to McFarland and as of now, McFarland is absolutely a no go for us. All the current feeders are losing the majority of their UMC students (and any diversity they had in the early grades). With Mnt P families and Oyster, there is a better chance McFarland will be succeed and keep more families from the feeder school. I know the oyster and Bancroft families will lose their minds over this and I dont blame you. but the bundaries for deal and wilson have to shrink, that is non negotiable. this just makes sense.

Nope, not going to happen. And please keep Oyster’s name out of your mouths (and off stupid threads like this one).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oyster already feeds to Oyster Adams Middle school in Dupont Circle Kalorama area. So you would want to shift their feeder for high school to Rosevelt, which makes excellent sense to me.

Parents may flip out.

It would be quite interesting if Wilson/ DCPS targeted Hispanics and bilinguals to kick them out.

or, you know, decided to be consistent and feed every bilingual program to the same middle and high school.

If Bancroft and Oyster don't like going to MacFarland, another solution would be to make Bancroft and Oyster city-wide bilingual magnets where nobody has IB preference. Then expand the Francis-Stevens boundary to include the current Oyster zone (there would be enough room, especially if F-S stops offering middle school and all the kids who go there were routed to Cardozo MS and HS) and expand the Raymond/Tubman/Cooke boundaries to include the current Bancroft zone.

3. OR you can leave O-A as it is so that DCPS doesn’t mess up one of the best public bilingual schools in the DC Metro area. O-A is and has been regarded as a national model for bilingual education for almost 45 years. Stop trying to fix a school that isn’t broken. DCPS needs to figure out how it can improve the city’s other bilingual schools without involving O-A.

Moving Bancroft out would suck for me, I plan to move to Mt Pleasant for the Wilson boundary! But I can still move west of the park, which I suppose, if DCPS were to go this route, they would need to assess the in-migration to the Wilson boundary that would result.

Anonymous wrote:There is absolutely no evidence DCPS is thinking of this -- I think it's idle DCUM chatter.

It could potentially, I suppose, be part of the 2022-23 boundary review process but even if they did it, they'd probably grandfather some number of grades who are already in the schools.

I think it is actually a good idea, at least the moving Oyster Adams out of the Wilson feed. It does not make sense geographically to have them feed up there when there are closer high schools. Bancroft maybe, that whole neighborhood's real estate has gone up with the sense of a secure Deal Wilson feed, it may a bit too early to pull the rug out from everyone. Politically speaking.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it makes more sense in theory for the special language programs like Oyster-Adams to be city-wide magnets. But where do you put all the in-boundary kids who no longer have a guaranteed school? The middle school, at least in the early years, was working kind of as a magnet because a lot of the affluent, English-dominant kids from the neighborhood would leave; the families didn't want to take a risk on the unproven middle school program. For years, the middle school had a much larger proportion of out-of-boundary kids than the early grades. Most of those kids who bailed on the middle school ended up in Deal. By now there's probably a higher portion of in-boundary students in middle school that would lose their right to go there. Where are they going to go other than Deal/Hardy? Why would you carve out a few neighborhoods that are solidly in Ward 3 and very close to the school and force them out of the ward?

It's also not educationally-sound to force dual-language middle and high schools on a few select neighborhoods. Dual language programs are not for every kid and some cannot stay in it long term. There has to be a conventional, single language option available as of right.

It's complicated ...

You put the Oyster kids at Francis Stevens (which would have room because its middle school should close and those kids would go to Cardozo MS), Cooke, and Marie Reed.
You put the Bancroft kids at Cooke, Raymond, and Tubman.

You don't have to fit the entire capacity of all the schools together because some of the kids would still lottery into the bilingual programs at Oyster and Bancroft. The total capacity of the schools don't change, but the middle schoolers currently at Adams would go to MacFarland and the middle schoolers at SWW would go to Cardozo, better utilizing the extra spaces at those middle schools.

Sending kids from Oyster neighborhood down to Foggy Bottom is not going to fly, too far. Francis is a neighborhood school these days.

And why should the middle school close exactly, it seems pretty successful. And not causing anyone any problems.

There is absolutely no evidence DCPS is thinking of this -- I think it's idle DCUM chatter.

It could potentially, I suppose, be part of the 2022-23 boundary review process but even if they did it, they'd probably grandfather some number of grades who are already in the schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it makes more sense in theory for the special language programs like Oyster-Adams to be city-wide magnets. But where do you put all the in-boundary kids who no longer have a guaranteed school? The middle school, at least in the early years, was working kind of as a magnet because a lot of the affluent, English-dominant kids from the neighborhood would leave; the families didn't want to take a risk on the unproven middle school program. For years, the middle school had a much larger proportion of out-of-boundary kids than the early grades. Most of those kids who bailed on the middle school ended up in Deal. By now there's probably a higher portion of in-boundary students in middle school that would lose their right to go there. Where are they going to go other than Deal/Hardy? Why would you carve out a few neighborhoods that are solidly in Ward 3 and very close to the school and force them out of the ward?

It's also not educationally-sound to force dual-language middle and high schools on a few select neighborhoods. Dual language programs are not for every kid and some cannot stay in it long term. There has to be a conventional, single language option available as of right.

It's complicated ...

They'd go to MacFarland and Roosevelt just like all the other kids at bilingual DCPS elementary schools.

Bancroft is in Ward 1. It is 3.3 miles from Deal and 1.4 miles from MacFarland.

Adams is also closer to MacFarland than to Deal, and it's 3.6 miles from Wilson and 2.2 miles from Roosevelt.

Thanks, for that info. Do you think DCPS is thinking of this? I do think it is a good idea to move those schools out of the Deal and Wilson feed, but would DCPS send them to Cardozo? Add them to all the pissed of Seaton families with no middle school they like, and maybe something good will come of Cardozo.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it makes more sense in theory for the special language programs like Oyster-Adams to be city-wide magnets. But where do you put all the in-boundary kids who no longer have a guaranteed school? The middle school, at least in the early years, was working kind of as a magnet because a lot of the affluent, English-dominant kids from the neighborhood would leave; the families didn't want to take a risk on the unproven middle school program. For years, the middle school had a much larger proportion of out-of-boundary kids than the early grades. Most of those kids who bailed on the middle school ended up in Deal. By now there's probably a higher portion of in-boundary students in middle school that would lose their right to go there. Where are they going to go other than Deal/Hardy? Why would you carve out a few neighborhoods that are solidly in Ward 3 and very close to the school and force them out of the ward?

It's also not educationally-sound to force dual-language middle and high schools on a few select neighborhoods. Dual language programs are not for every kid and some cannot stay in it long term. There has to be a conventional, single language option available as of right.

It's complicated ...

You put the Oyster kids at Francis Stevens (which would have room because its middle school should close and those kids would go to Cardozo MS), Cooke, and Marie Reed.
You put the Bancroft kids at Cooke, Raymond, and Tubman.

You don't have to fit the entire capacity of all the schools together because some of the kids would still lottery into the bilingual programs at Oyster and Bancroft. The total capacity of the schools don't change, but the middle schoolers currently at Adams would go to MacFarland and the middle schoolers at SWW would go to Cardozo, better utilizing the extra spaces at those middle schools.

I have to say this thread is quite funny, and comments like above simply hilarious.

Yeah, let's move kids and schools around for fun. Then let's do the same with hospitals, offices, the White House, and why not Capitol Arena too.

It's like Lego!

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it makes more sense in theory for the special language programs like Oyster-Adams to be city-wide magnets. But where do you put all the in-boundary kids who no longer have a guaranteed school? The middle school, at least in the early years, was working kind of as a magnet because a lot of the affluent, English-dominant kids from the neighborhood would leave; the families didn't want to take a risk on the unproven middle school program. For years, the middle school had a much larger proportion of out-of-boundary kids than the early grades. Most of those kids who bailed on the middle school ended up in Deal. By now there's probably a higher portion of in-boundary students in middle school that would lose their right to go there. Where are they going to go other than Deal/Hardy? Why would you carve out a few neighborhoods that are solidly in Ward 3 and very close to the school and force them out of the ward?

It's also not educationally-sound to force dual-language middle and high schools on a few select neighborhoods. Dual language programs are not for every kid and some cannot stay in it long term. There has to be a conventional, single language option available as of right.

It's complicated ...

They'd go to MacFarland and Roosevelt just like all the other kids at bilingual DCPS elementary schools.

Bancroft is in Ward 1. It is 3.3 miles from Deal and 1.4 miles from MacFarland.

Adams is also closer to MacFarland than to Deal, and it's 3.6 miles from Wilson and 2.2 miles from Roosevelt.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it makes more sense in theory for the special language programs like Oyster-Adams to be city-wide magnets. But where do you put all the in-boundary kids who no longer have a guaranteed school? The middle school, at least in the early years, was working kind of as a magnet because a lot of the affluent, English-dominant kids from the neighborhood would leave; the families didn't want to take a risk on the unproven middle school program. For years, the middle school had a much larger proportion of out-of-boundary kids than the early grades. Most of those kids who bailed on the middle school ended up in Deal. By now there's probably a higher portion of in-boundary students in middle school that would lose their right to go there. Where are they going to go other than Deal/Hardy? Why would you carve out a few neighborhoods that are solidly in Ward 3 and very close to the school and force them out of the ward?

It's also not educationally-sound to force dual-language middle and high schools on a few select neighborhoods. Dual language programs are not for every kid and some cannot stay in it long term. There has to be a conventional, single language option available as of right.

It's complicated ...

You put the Oyster kids at Francis Stevens (which would have room because its middle school should close and those kids would go to Cardozo MS), Cooke, and Marie Reed.
You put the Bancroft kids at Cooke, Raymond, and Tubman.

You don't have to fit the entire capacity of all the schools together because some of the kids would still lottery into the bilingual programs at Oyster and Bancroft. The total capacity of the schools don't change, but the middle schoolers currently at Adams would go to MacFarland and the middle schoolers at SWW would go to Cardozo, better utilizing the extra spaces at those middle schools.

Yes, it makes more sense in theory for the special language programs like Oyster-Adams to be city-wide magnets. But where do you put all the in-boundary kids who no longer have a guaranteed school? The middle school, at least in the early years, was working kind of as a magnet because a lot of the affluent, English-dominant kids from the neighborhood would leave; the families didn't want to take a risk on the unproven middle school program. For years, the middle school had a much larger proportion of out-of-boundary kids than the early grades. Most of those kids who bailed on the middle school ended up in Deal. By now there's probably a higher portion of in-boundary students in middle school that would lose their right to go there. Where are they going to go other than Deal/Hardy? Why would you carve out a few neighborhoods that are solidly in Ward 3 and very close to the school and force them out of the ward?

It's also not educationally-sound to force dual-language middle and high schools on a few select neighborhoods. Dual language programs are not for every kid and some cannot stay in it long term. There has to be a conventional, single language option available as of right.

It's complicated ...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oyster already feeds to Oyster Adams Middle school in Dupont Circle Kalorama area. So you would want to shift their feeder for high school to Rosevelt, which makes excellent sense to me.

Parents may flip out.

It would be quite interesting if Wilson/ DCPS targeted Hispanics and bilinguals to kick them out.

or, you know, decided to be consistent and feed every bilingual program to the same middle and high school.

If Bancroft and Oyster don't like going to MacFarland, another solution would be to make Bancroft and Oyster city-wide bilingual magnets where nobody has IB preference. Then expand the Francis-Stevens boundary to include the current Oyster zone (there would be enough room, especially if F-S stops offering middle school and all the kids who go there were routed to Cardozo MS and HS) and expand the Raymond/Tubman/Cooke boundaries to include the current Bancroft zone.

Enough of the magnet city wide schools already. Kids in Oyster Adams middle school boundaries already have the right to attend Francis St. Or they can go there if they don't speak Spanish well enough. Francis Stephens middle seems at capacity, but moving it does not seem an option at the moment. Check the Master Facility Plan just released.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oyster already feeds to Oyster Adams Middle school in Dupont Circle Kalorama area. So you would want to shift their feeder for high school to Rosevelt, which makes excellent sense to me.

Parents may flip out.

It would be quite interesting if Wilson/ DCPS targeted Hispanics and bilinguals to kick them out.

or, you know, decided to be consistent and feed every bilingual program to the same middle and high school.

If Bancroft and Oyster don't like going to MacFarland, another solution would be to make Bancroft and Oyster city-wide bilingual magnets where nobody has IB preference. Then expand the Francis-Stevens boundary to include the current Oyster zone (there would be enough room, especially if F-S stops offering middle school and all the kids who go there were routed to Cardozo MS and HS) and expand the Raymond/Tubman/Cooke boundaries to include the current Bancroft zone.