Anonymous
10/24/2018 10:44
Subject: Re:Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:DD is a swimmer and a high school senior who has been going through the recruiting process, with Ivy league and flagship public colleges. As she met with coaches and teams we noticed that the Ivies teams have a significant number of Asian student on their rosters.
As a swim mom I would attest to my personal observation that over the 8-10 years DD has been swimming competitively in the Mid-Atlantic region that there are an increasing number of Asian parents in the stands and swimmers competing. For the record I think diversity is always welcome. My point is that I think Asian students who aspire to the Ivy league are pursuing all the paths to enrollment, including sports.
As ppl have mentioned that Ivy teams need to have a minimum academic average across the team. DD ended up going with the flagship program over the Ivy bc she is deeply committed to her swimming and the flagship is a top 15 program nationally. The Ivy she did not choose announced an Asian swimmer with comparable times in the same events as DD. My point is the Asian students are not there with mediocre times and good GPAs. These kids excel in the pool.
swimming, tennis, fencing... yes we know... Asians.
Anonymous
10/24/2018 10:42
Subject: Re:Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
DD is a swimmer and a high school senior who has been going through the recruiting process, with Ivy league and flagship public colleges. As she met with coaches and teams we noticed that the Ivies teams have a significant number of Asian student on their rosters.
As a swim mom I would attest to my personal observation that over the 8-10 years DD has been swimming competitively in the Mid-Atlantic region that there are an increasing number of Asian parents in the stands and swimmers competing. For the record I think diversity is always welcome. My point is that I think Asian students who aspire to the Ivy league are pursuing all the paths to enrollment, including sports.
As ppl have mentioned that Ivy teams need to have a minimum academic average across the team. DD ended up going with the flagship program over the Ivy bc she is deeply committed to her swimming and the flagship is a top 15 program nationally. The Ivy she did not choose announced an Asian swimmer with comparable times in the same events as DD. My point is the Asian students are not there with mediocre times and good GPAs. These kids excel in the pool.
As a swim mom I would attest to my personal observation that over the 8-10 years DD has been swimming competitively in the Mid-Atlantic region that there are an increasing number of Asian parents in the stands and swimmers competing. For the record I think diversity is always welcome. My point is that I think Asian students who aspire to the Ivy league are pursuing all the paths to enrollment, including sports.
As ppl have mentioned that Ivy teams need to have a minimum academic average across the team. DD ended up going with the flagship program over the Ivy bc she is deeply committed to her swimming and the flagship is a top 15 program nationally. The Ivy she did not choose announced an Asian swimmer with comparable times in the same events as DD. My point is the Asian students are not there with mediocre times and good GPAs. These kids excel in the pool.
Anonymous
10/24/2018 10:29
Subject: Re:Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:By the National Collegiate Athletic Association’s own estimate, 61 percent of student athletes last year were white.
58% of all college students are white (non-Hispanic). 61% is not out of line with this, and hardly demonstrates a racist advantage for whites.
When it comes to college athletics, football and basketball command the most public attention, but in the background is a phalanx of lower-profile sports favored by white kids, which often cost a small fortune for a student participating at a top level. Ivy League sports like sailing, golf, water polo, fencing, and lacrosse aren’t typically staples of urban high schools with big nonwhite populations; they have entrenched reputations as suburban, country-club sports.
These "lower profile" sports, put together, represent a trivial number of high school and college athletes. And every Ivy league school does not even offer these sports. Basically, this is not an impressive claim when you consider that the overwhelming majority of athletes are in football, basketball, baseball, and soccer, sports in which blacks and Hispanics have plenty of opportunity and in which they excel.
One in five families of an elite high-school athlete spend $1,000 a month on sports—the average family of a lacrosse player spends nearly $8,000 a year.
The author is overplaying the "only rich kids can afford it" idea. We are not "rich". Far from it, we are upper middle class. We are still spending about $5,000 a year on travel lacrosse. That is well within the reach of parents who earn even significantly less than we do.
and your kid was recruited to an Ivy league school?
Anonymous
10/24/2018 10:22
Subject: Re:Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
By the National Collegiate Athletic Association’s own estimate, 61 percent of student athletes last year were white.
58% of all college students are white (non-Hispanic). 61% is not out of line with this, and hardly demonstrates a racist advantage for whites.
When it comes to college athletics, football and basketball command the most public attention, but in the background is a phalanx of lower-profile sports favored by white kids, which often cost a small fortune for a student participating at a top level. Ivy League sports like sailing, golf, water polo, fencing, and lacrosse aren’t typically staples of urban high schools with big nonwhite populations; they have entrenched reputations as suburban, country-club sports.
These "lower profile" sports, put together, represent a trivial number of high school and college athletes. And every Ivy league school does not even offer these sports. Basically, this is not an impressive claim when you consider that the overwhelming majority of athletes are in football, basketball, baseball, and soccer, sports in which blacks and Hispanics have plenty of opportunity and in which they excel.
One in five families of an elite high-school athlete spend $1,000 a month on sports—the average family of a lacrosse player spends nearly $8,000 a year.
The author is overplaying the "only rich kids can afford it" idea. We are not "rich". Far from it, we are upper middle class. We are still spending about $5,000 a year on travel lacrosse. That is well within the reach of parents who earn even significantly less than we do.
Anonymous
10/24/2018 09:53
Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:Athletic scholarships should be abolished. They only serve to perpetuate racism. College is about academics, period.
Nope. College is also about selecting and developing future leaders. Athletes (especially in team sports) have demonstrated leadership potential. "Good students" are very often shitty leaders.
Anonymous
10/24/2018 09:51
Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The folks suing Harvard don't seem bothered by the ways so many academically inferior whites get in. They just don't like the Black and Latino kids.
Just look at the demographics at TJ if there's any doubt about this.
Um, whut? Do you think TJ demographics prove that TJ "just doesn't like" Black and Latino kids?
What TJ demographics prove is that ability to pass the TJ entrance exam and interest in attending TJ is Asian > white > black/Hispanic.
Anonymous
10/24/2018 08:22
Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
The author of the article has probably never done anything athletic in his/her life.
Anonymous
10/24/2018 08:03
Subject: Re:Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
The lower quartile of test scores/grades getting into elite colleges are comprised of athletes, full pays, legacies and URMs.
Anonymous
10/24/2018 07:55
Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The folks suing Harvard don't seem bothered by the ways so many academically inferior whites get in. They just don't like the Black and Latino kids.
Um, that lawsuit was filed by Asians. They are not pro-white or anti-black/Hispanic.
A white guy is behind the lawsuit.
He's Jewish. Obviously a white supremacist!
Jews can be and very much are very racist towards blacks and Latinos. You’re not as clever as you think you are if you can’t grasp such a simple fact.
Just look at Stephen Miller if you have any doubts.
Anonymous
10/24/2018 07:39
Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Interesting article about the boost white athletes have for entrance to Ivies. Well known in our metro area but getting some wider notice with the Harvard AA case.
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/10/college-sports-benefits-white-students/573688/
Uh, no. The boost that ATHLETES have for entrance to Ivies. You don't think black/Hispanic athletes get that same boost?
If you bothered to click, the first sentence indicates that 65% of athletes in the Ivies are white. That is much higher than the proportion of white students on those campus. There isn't a single D1 black sailor. 85% of lacrosse players and 90% of hockey players are white. So the athletic tip results in decidedly less diversity at the Ivies.
Then you need to edit your original post. It is factually incorrect and misleading. The bump is not because they are white athletes, the bump is because they are athletes. Yes, the athletes tend to be white, but they're not getting an admissions boost because they are athletes that are white.
Actually, the implication of this white athlete bit -- and the implication of the special lists for big donors or legacy bounces in the Harvard suit -- indirectly support the common concern that working class/middle class white kids who are not athletes have a harder time getting into ivies than other URMs. If a disproportionately high number of accepted student athletes are white and the school is seeking more racial diversity targets, there are likely fewer spots left for other white students even in the absence of fixed quotas.
It probably goes further still. These sports loose money for the schools even when they offer no scholarship money, so they may as well be a set aside for full pay country club types. Athletes who make a coach's list but wont be paying full tuition are more likely to get cut at the admissions stage.
Anonymous
10/24/2018 07:28
Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Interesting article about the boost white athletes have for entrance to Ivies. Well known in our metro area but getting some wider notice with the Harvard AA case.
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/10/college-sports-benefits-white-students/573688/
Uh, no. The boost that ATHLETES have for entrance to Ivies. You don't think black/Hispanic athletes get that same boost?
+1.
Let me make a wild guess here: more than 12% of "scholar-athletes" are black.
Anonymous
10/24/2018 07:23
Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Does this surprise anyone? Lots of UMC white people invest heavily in athletics for their kids from a very young age to help boost their chances of admission to a more prestigious college.
Anonymous
10/24/2018 07:08
Subject: Re:Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:Being an athlete is color blind.
The schools are not taking spots away from black or Hispanic or Asian students and giving them to white kids by using athletic hooks as the back door.
All these schools have fixed percentages of the student body they want to fill with black and Hispanic students. It's deliberate. No ifs and buts about it.
Then they have spots they want to fill with athletes because it is important to these schools to maintain these sports teams. They don't care what color the athletes are. They just want the athletes.
The applicants who are hurt the most by athletes are probably other white kids. Namely unhooked white kids.
Athletic recruits aren’t color blind.....there will still be a strong bias towards URM candidates because the college can use them to meet their racial quotas as well as to fill an athlete slot.
Anonymous
10/24/2018 03:43
Subject: Re:Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Being an athlete is color blind.
The schools are not taking spots away from black or Hispanic or Asian students and giving them to white kids by using athletic hooks as the back door.
All these schools have fixed percentages of the student body they want to fill with black and Hispanic students. It's deliberate. No ifs and buts about it.
Then they have spots they want to fill with athletes because it is important to these schools to maintain these sports teams. They don't care what color the athletes are. They just want the athletes.
The applicants who are hurt the most by athletes are probably other white kids. Namely unhooked white kids.
The schools are not taking spots away from black or Hispanic or Asian students and giving them to white kids by using athletic hooks as the back door.
All these schools have fixed percentages of the student body they want to fill with black and Hispanic students. It's deliberate. No ifs and buts about it.
Then they have spots they want to fill with athletes because it is important to these schools to maintain these sports teams. They don't care what color the athletes are. They just want the athletes.
The applicants who are hurt the most by athletes are probably other white kids. Namely unhooked white kids.
Anonymous
10/24/2018 00:46
Subject: Atlantic article on white athletes getting into Ivies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The folks suing Harvard don't seem bothered by the ways so many academically inferior whites get in. They just don't like the Black and Latino kids.
Um, that lawsuit was filed by Asians. They are not pro-white or anti-black/Hispanic.
A white guy is behind the lawsuit.
He's Jewish. Obviously a white supremacist!
Jews can be and very much are very racist towards blacks and Latinos. You’re not as clever as you think you are if you can’t grasp such a simple fact.