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"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

Repeat:
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

But a "warm room" is overheating, in this context. Cuddlier is not necessarily safer or better.

You can't just move the goalposts and make it mean whatever you want, you know. ???

What "warm room" are you talking about? 70 degrees?

The first question is what OP means by "warm." Presumably, by quoting Wolff in the first post, she is promoting his ideas (also from back in the 1960s and 1970s, by the way -- before SIDS was even defined). Wolff's proposed ideal temperatures do not stand up well to the data we have regarding bet practices to reduce SIDS.

What was his ideal proposed temperature?

OP, or someone else? If you didn't already do your own homework, I invite you to do it now.

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"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

Repeat:
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

But a "warm room" is overheating, in this context. Cuddlier is not necessarily safer or better.

You can't just move the goalposts and make it mean whatever you want, you know. ???

What "warm room" are you talking about? 70 degrees?

The first question is what OP means by "warm." Presumably, by quoting Wolff in the first post, she is promoting his ideas (also from back in the 1960s and 1970s, by the way -- before SIDS was even defined). Wolff's proposed ideal temperatures do not stand up well to the data we have regarding bet practices to reduce SIDS.

What was his ideal proposed temperature?

But if OP was posting someone she disagreed with and was just not being clear, I welcome her clarification.

^^best practices, not "bet"

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Anonymous wrote:
"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

Repeat:
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

But a "warm room" is overheating, in this context. Cuddlier is not necessarily safer or better.

You can't just move the goalposts and make it mean whatever you want, you know. ???

What "warm room" are you talking about? 70 degrees?

The first question is what OP means by "warm." Presumably, by quoting Wolff in the first post, she is promoting his ideas (also from back in the 1960s and 1970s, by the way -- before SIDS was even defined). Wolff's proposed ideal temperatures do not stand up well to the data we have regarding bet practices to reduce SIDS.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

Repeat:
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

But a "warm room" is overheating, in this context. Cuddlier is not necessarily safer or better.

You can't just move the goalposts and make it mean whatever you want, you know. ???

What "warm room" are you talking about? 70 degrees?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

Repeat:
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

But a "warm room" is overheating, in this context. Cuddlier is not necessarily safer or better.

You can't just move the goalposts and make it mean whatever you want, you know. ???

Anonymous wrote:In Scandinavian countries, outdoor napping is a thing for babies:

https://activeforlife.com/outdoor-napping-for-babies/

If I recall correctly, they slept better in the cool air. I don't think there was commentary on the feeds, though.

In Scandinavian countries, outdoor napping is a thing for babies:

https://activeforlife.com/outdoor-napping-for-babies/

Anonymous wrote:
"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

Repeat:
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. And that is why has overheating is a risk factor for SIDs.

Pardon? What exactly are you trying to say?

Cooler room lower the risk of SIDS. The hypothesis is that warmer babies are sometimes unable to arouse themselves when necessary. They have higher rates of SIDS. That is why they believe SIDS rates go up in the winter. People put too much clothing on their babies.

We should see what exactly the baby was wearing, and what else was in the crib. Perhaps there were loose blankets and pillows. Perhaps toys and stuffed animals. What temperature was the room? We really have no clue.

No. This is based on actual studies. They do know. Increased temperature is associated with higher rates of SIDS.

And this is SIDS, not suffocation, which is what stuffed animals and blankets would cause.

How exactly is SIDS defined?

Sudden death of child under 1 with no known cause after investigation. It excludes deaths by suffocation.

Exactly. +1

OP is referencing a textbook from 1976 which, although it was an important advance, has certainly been improved on in the research since. Even Klaus himself walked back on some of how he initially claimed things in his articles and text.

Others questioned the implications of describing the immediate bonding period as “critical.” Dr. Klaus later said that describing the first hours after birth that way had been a mistake.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/health/marshall-klaus-dead-studied-emotional-bonding-with-newborns.html

And yes, overheating is an isolated risk factor for SIDS. Even oxygen is not an entirely benign thing for babies -- which we found out when we actually studied the effect of 100% supplemental oxygen on resuscitating newborns. Turns out that although it sounds like a good thing (maybe even "cuddlier"? who doesn't like oxygen!), too much oxygen damages the newborn brain.

You can't just rely on what sounds good to you, OP. That can actually be harmful.

My baby got breastmilk, pump milked cold from the fridge, room temperature formula, and heated formula and breastmilk bottles. NONE of those correlated to sleep issues. The only thing that improved his sleep was getting extra calories, learning to roll over, and sleep training.

So many different factors can make sleep challenging. You almost have to look at every little thing that may impact the ability to get solid sleep.

OMG you have serious issues OP.

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Anonymous wrote:
"Peter Wolff, a well-known pediatrician and researcher who completed countless studies of newborns and their behavior, observed that temperature has an important effect on the amount of time babies sleep and on their crying. Babies kept at warmer temperatures, he found, cried less and slept more than those subjected to cooler environments."
Obviously, do NOT overheat.

Wondering if there may be a correlation between your baby's sleep difficulties and the fairly recent practice giving babies bottles that haven't been warmed. Am also thinking that warming the bottle may reduce the risk of colic.

No observable effect. 2 DCs. Both breastfed and slept in the same room from 0 to age 2 at approx same room temps. DC1 - terrible sleeper, DC - great sleeper.

Your experience, OP?

If your children were breastfed, I'm guessing your milk was exactly the correct temperature, unless you pumped and did bottles.

I suppose so but having perfectly warmed milk never made DC1 a good sleeper. Perhaps room temp milk would have been even worse but I don’t see it.