Anonymous
Post 10/21/2018 12:31     Subject: Re:In-state students from families earning less than $80K will be able to attend U.Va. tuition-free
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Anonymous wrote:Look, according to the NY Times link posted above, UVA is about average among "high selective school, public and private" when it comes to average income. 44th out of 65. It and all of its peer are all full of rich kids. I applaud UVA for working on this.



Please prove this. This is not my experience at all at UVA. I also don't understand how you can claim it is 90% rich kids when the application process is need-blind.


Hopefully you learned to read at UVA. I never said 90 percent. But, again, look at the New York Times link. The average family at UVA makes over 160,000 a year. That's a lot of money.

I had two kids go to UVA. They both enjoyed it, but they're the first to tell you it's full of rich kids -- them included.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2018 11:16     Subject: Re:In-state students from families earning less than $80K will be able to attend U.Va. tuition-free
Anonymous wrote:Look, according to the NY Times link posted above, UVA is about average among "high selective school, public and private" when it comes to average income. 44th out of 65. It and all of its peer are all full of rich kids. I applaud UVA for working on this.



Please prove this. This is not my experience at all at UVA. I also don't understand how you can claim it is 90% rich kids when the application process is need-blind.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2018 11:12     Subject: Re:In-state students from families earning less than $80K will be able to attend U.Va. tuition-free
Look, according to the NY Times link posted above, UVA is about average among "high selective school, public and private" when it comes to average income. 44th out of 65. It and all of its peer are all full of rich kids. I applaud UVA for working on this.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2018 10:48     Subject: In-state students from families earning less than $80K will be able to attend U.Va. tuition-free
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:UVA is already 10% low income and launched the Blue Ridge Scholars and participates in Questbridge, so I don't think this is new, but Ryan needed something to say in his inaugural address. https://giving.virginia.edu/scholarships/blue-ridge-scholars/

Only 10% low income??for a public school?? Give me a damn break.



UVA has nothing to say about what percentage is determined to be low-income. The federal government establishes what low-income is and what a student is entitled to receive after the family files the FAFSA. The term "low-income individual" has been established by the Department of Education to be an individual whose family's taxable income for the preceding year did not exceed 150 percent of the poverty level amount.
Here are the ranges. https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ope/trio/incomelevels.html. The federal government sets a EFC (Expected Family Contribution) for each student. That info goes from the Department of ED to UVA. UVA pays 100 percent of education costs for low-income students as defined by the U.S. Department of Education. In addition to 10% low income, UUVA also has 35% students of color, 10% first-generation students (often from low-income or middle-income backgrounds), 8% international students, 37% OOS, etc. Also, the University has 100 Blue Ridge Scholarships for high achieving students from disadvantaged or underrepresented backgrounds. And there are also the Jefferson Scholars (full ride) as well that often goes to low-income students, but not necessarily. And UVA participates in Questbridge as well (HHI of less than 65K a year). To further diversity it brings in students from all 50 states and 147 nations. Finally, UVA expanded its financial aid program for middle-income Virginians in 2017, these are called "Cornerstone Grants" of $15 million to be distributed over the next three years. Middle-income families are defined as families with income of less than $125K who do not receive grants or scholarships from other sources. Please remember that the Cost of Attendance at UVA is also set at a fraction of what private universities and SLACs are charging. For many families, that delta of $45K or more per year means the difference between attending college or not attending even if they are paying full-freight.



I think the point was these are low numbers compared to schools like UCLA and Berkeley.



As pointed out above, one can't compare the differing state universities. They all operate differently and have different rules and different financial arrangements with the state legislatures. UVA operates almost entirely separate from the legislature. Cal and UCLA and Texas do not.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2018 10:44     Subject: In-state students from families earning less than $80K will be able to attend U.Va. tuition-free
Anonymous wrote:This is part of the point — uva for a public school does not do much to advance economic status of their grads. From the nyt report a few years ago:

UCLA—https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/university-of-california-los-angeles

UVA — https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/university-of-virginia

More students from the top 20%, among the lowest in economic advancement of their grads (because their grads are already privileged).


Also, for the booster saying that 35% of uva is students of color — here are the diversity breakdowns: http://diversitydata.virginia.edu/ For a state that is almost 20% black, having so few (6%) black students is an embarrassment.




The first paragraph of this article disputes your claim: "The median family income of a student from Virginia is $155,500, and 67% come from the top 20 percent. About 1.5% of students at Virginia came from a poor family but became a rich adult."
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2018 10:40     Subject: In-state students from families earning less than $80K will be able to attend U.Va. tuition-free
Anonymous wrote:This is part of the point — uva for a public school does not do much to advance economic status of their grads. From the nyt report a few years ago:

UCLA—https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/university-of-california-los-angeles

UVA — https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/university-of-virginia

More students from the top 20%, among the lowest in economic advancement of their grads (because their grads are already privileged).


Also, for the booster saying that 35% of uva is students of color — here are the diversity breakdowns: http://diversitydata.virginia.edu/ For a state that is almost 20% black, having so few (6%) black students is an embarrassment.




Not a booster. Someone in the college counseling field. Check your facts before posting next time. From the Asst Dean of Admissions: "In terms of applicant diversity, Katsouleas said the Class of 2022 was the most diverse ever with 34 percent of enrolled applicants being students of color, including 349 African American or multiracial students" http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2018/06/class-of-2022-admission-statistics-presented-to-board-of-visitors
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2018 10:37     Subject: In-state students from families earning less than $80K will be able to attend U.Va. tuition-free
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I see the crossed rapier w/“V” magnets on Acura, Lexus, GMC, Porsche et al. SUVs around northern Virginia. It seems like it’s got a very wealthy student body and that 10% low income stat doesn’t surprise me at all.

Did it ever occur to you that the people who buy those brands (though not sure GMC belongs on the list)are the same status-oriented people who put their kids’ College stickers on their cars?[/quote]


Uh, that's also the shield of the Heights School in Potomac.



I've got that from the Heights years on my 17 year old car. It's an ugly thing but fully paid off and still runs. No way is this family wealthy.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2018 10:32     Subject: In-state students from families earning less than $80K will be able to attend U.Va. tuition-free
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:UVA is already 10% low income and launched the Blue Ridge Scholars and participates in Questbridge, so I don't think this is new, but Ryan needed something to say in his inaugural address. https://giving.virginia.edu/scholarships/blue-ridge-scholars/

Only 10% low income??for a public school?? Give me a damn break.



UVA has nothing to say about what percentage is determined to be low-income. The federal government establishes what low-income is and what a student is entitled to receive after the family files the FAFSA. The term "low-income individual" has been established by the Department of Education to be an individual whose family's taxable income for the preceding year did not exceed 150 percent of the poverty level amount.
Here are the ranges. https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ope/trio/incomelevels.html. The federal government sets a EFC (Expected Family Contribution) for each student. That info goes from the Department of ED to UVA. UVA pays 100 percent of education costs for low-income students as defined by the U.S. Department of Education. In addition to 10% low income, UUVA also has 35% students of color, 10% first-generation students (often from low-income or middle-income backgrounds), 8% international students, 37% OOS, etc. Also, the University has 100 Blue Ridge Scholarships for high achieving students from disadvantaged or underrepresented backgrounds. And there are also the Jefferson Scholars (full ride) as well that often goes to low-income students, but not necessarily. And UVA participates in Questbridge as well (HHI of less than 65K a year). To further diversity it brings in students from all 50 states and 147 nations. Finally, UVA expanded its financial aid program for middle-income Virginians in 2017, these are called "Cornerstone Grants" of $15 million to be distributed over the next three years. Middle-income families are defined as families with income of less than $125K who do not receive grants or scholarships from other sources. Please remember that the Cost of Attendance at UVA is also set at a fraction of what private universities and SLACs are charging. For many families, that delta of $45K or more per year means the difference between attending college or not attending even if they are paying full-freight.



I think the point was these are low numbers compared to schools like UCLA and Berkeley.


Perhaps, but you’re also comparing the state of CA to the state of VA.



Also, the two public systems operate very differently. The UC schools recently decided to raise the number of in-state students to 80%. California parents had been infuriated that their children could not get into Berkeley and UCLA. So the legislature acted and now only 20% of incoming classes in the UC system will be OOS and international. That move, alone, significantly changes the focus of UCLA and Berkeley to take in more low-income and Pell grant students. The California legislature can pour money into UCLA and Berkeley for all the low-income students it wants. UVA, on the other hand, operates on its own with only 5% coming from the legislature. California also has a three tier system of educational opportunities for its residents: The U.C. system; the Cal State system; and the community colleges. UVA, on the other hand,has only the 13 universities and community colleges.

In sharp contrast to UCLA and B, UVA takes only 65 to 67% Virginia students, the rest are OOS and international. This is why parents in Nova are upset - even top flying Nova students can't get into UVA. It will be interesting to see if this changes. Texas, too, has a different system. There if you are in the top 10% of your class, you are automatically in - but I imagine that means fewer low-income families since statistically low-income children do not perform as well in GPA and testing.

Anonymous
Post 10/21/2018 10:18     Subject: In-state students from families earning less than $80K will be able to attend U.Va. tuition-free
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I see the crossed rapier w/“V” magnets on Acura, Lexus, GMC, Porsche et al. SUVs around northern Virginia. It seems like it’s got a very wealthy student body and that 10% low income stat doesn’t surprise me at all.

Did it ever occur to you that the people who buy those brands (though not sure GMC belongs on the list)are the same status-oriented people who put their kids’ College stickers on their cars?[/quote]


Uh, that's also the shield of the Heights School in Potomac.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2018 10:16     Subject: In-state students from families earning less than $80K will be able to attend U.Va. tuition-free
This is part of the point — uva for a public school does not do much to advance economic status of their grads. From the nyt report a few years ago:

UCLA—https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/university-of-california-los-angeles

UVA — https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/college-mobility/university-of-virginia

More students from the top 20%, among the lowest in economic advancement of their grads (because their grads are already privileged).


Also, for the booster saying that 35% of uva is students of color — here are the diversity breakdowns: http://diversitydata.virginia.edu/ For a state that is almost 20% black, having so few (6%) black students is an embarrassment.

Anonymous
Post 10/21/2018 09:57     Subject: Re:In-state students from families earning less than $80K will be able to attend U.Va. tuition-free
Wait, what?
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2018 09:56     Subject: In-state students from families earning less than $80K will be able to attend U.Va. tuition-free
Anonymous wrote:Courtesy of NOVA full pay families


Full freight suckers have been subsidizing others for decades.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2018 09:54     Subject: Re:In-state students from families earning less than $80K will be able to attend U.Va. tuition-free
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Anonymous wrote:Interesting that UVA announced this just days after St. John's College announced it was substantially reducing its (high, private school) tuition. I'm sure a gigantic behemoth like UVA doesn't care what a tiny private like St. John's does, as they're not competitors at all--but maybe both announcements point toward more colleges reducing students' costs. Interesting to see two such different places both going that way.


This is tautological. You need only say "gigantic" or "behemoth" as they mean the same thing, to say both together is incorrect.


Sigh... who invited English major...
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2018 09:52     Subject: In-state students from families earning less than $80K will be able to attend U.Va. tuition-free
Anonymous wrote:I see the crossed rapier w/“V” magnets on Acura, Lexus, GMC, Porsche et al. SUVs around northern Virginia. It seems like it’s got a very wealthy student body and that 10% low income stat doesn’t surprise me at all.

Did it ever occur to you that the people who buy those brands (though not sure GMC belongs on the list)are the same status-oriented people who put their kids’ College stickers on their cars?
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2018 09:14     Subject: Re:In-state students from families earning less than $80K will be able to attend U.Va. tuition-free
One is an adjective and the other a noun. You can't use one or another. You need a noun.