Anonymous
Post 10/10/2018 16:10     Subject: Re:TPMS MAP-M scores
OP here, my intent was not to prove that my kid or others selected to TPMS are the brightest, my point was to let know about my observations of this cohort that got selected through a changed process and all sorts of assumptions were made in the spring how the magnet selection is watered down to get certain kids in to the program and thus the magnet class will not be as smart as it has been in the previous years. Though my DC was selected I had all these assumptions too an wondered if it makes sense to join TPMS. I have no such concerns anymore . I haven’t seen the program to be less challenging, in Math, Science or Comp science. One comment my DC made was that longer periods and odd even schedule is way better than the regular schedule. Lot gets done. All are smart so challenge is always there to be at the leading edge. Science projects, science bowl, math count, AMC are all with in the school curriculum rather than parents extra effort as I did for my older one.
One thing DC likes is the diversity in this school.
Yes, totally agree that more such programs are needed in the county. A couple of these programs are too less.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2018 15:29     Subject: TPMS MAP-M scores
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:My very good math kid in 5th grade got a 275 in MAP -M (and that was not an aberration based on prior scores) and then got a 255 in 6th grade. Probably had a bad day, but kid also said that there were lots of questions that kid had no idea what they were talking about, very different from elementary MAP-M. I'm not worried, just adding some information.


DS just took MAP-M and experienced a similar drop, 270-something in 5th to 259 in 6th. His teacher told the class most kids experience a drop in 6th because the test has changed, and the 6+ MAP-M test is more challenging than the 2-5 MAP-M. His classmate went from a 282 to 240-something this year, his best friend dropped from 250 to 232. This is anecdotal of course, but seems possible.



OP here again-Exactly, thank you for chiming in- 6th grade MAP-M is quite challenging- there were questions on trigonometry that DC has yet not learnt. The fifth grade MAP -M in 265 dropped to 255. Not concerned as the in class grades are all perfect and there have been no challenges in learning Magnet IM.
Those who are being sarcastic about MAP M scores ranging from 250-294 for magnet class, I wonder what are the MAP M scores for high achieving sixth graders at non magnet schools- considering it is the same MAP-M for magnet and non magnet kids.




No one is being sarcastic OP. The fact is that 250s scores for 6th grade are not stellar or an indication of an outstanding class. No one is saying the kids aren't bright, but you seem intent on proving that they are the best & brightest when really it's a bit of a crapshoot under this new system.

Also, the mom talking about Mathcounts cutoff was referring to the Mathcounts test, not the MAP in case anyone was wondering. There are separate cutoffs for each grade level.

Signed,
Old School TPMS mom who doesn't have kids in this
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2018 13:32     Subject: TPMS MAP-M scores
There have been lots of threads about the confusing statements made about the MAP that scores can be compared across grades. The fact is that the MAP-P, the MAP-M for 3-5, and the MAP-M for 6+ do not test the same content.

So 5th graders taking MAP-M are not seeing the same content as 6th graders taking the MAP-M and it is normal for scores to drop from 5th to 6th. So it is important when people are comparing scores to be sure you are comparing 5th to 5th and 6th to 6th and not Spring 5th to Fall 6th. (ie - don't compare the Fall 6th scores of magnet students to the Spring 5th scores of students not admitted)
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2018 13:28     Subject: TPMS MAP-M scores
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Anonymous wrote:My very good math kid in 5th grade got a 275 in MAP -M (and that was not an aberration based on prior scores) and then got a 255 in 6th grade. Probably had a bad day, but kid also said that there were lots of questions that kid had no idea what they were talking about, very different from elementary MAP-M. I'm not worried, just adding some information.


DS just took MAP-M and experienced a similar drop, 270-something in 5th to 259 in 6th. His teacher told the class most kids experience a drop in 6th because the test has changed, and the 6+ MAP-M test is more challenging than the 2-5 MAP-M. His classmate went from a 282 to 240-something this year, his best friend dropped from 250 to 232. This is anecdotal of course, but seems possible.



OP here again-Exactly, thank you for chiming in- 6th grade MAP-M is quite challenging- there were questions on trigonometry that DC has yet not learnt. The fifth grade MAP -M in 265 dropped to 255. Not concerned as the in class grades are all perfect and there have been no challenges in learning Magnet IM.
Those who are being sarcastic about MAP M scores ranging from 250-294 for magnet class, I wonder what are the MAP M scores for high achieving sixth graders at non magnet schools- considering it is the same MAP-M for magnet and non magnet kids.

OP, my kid and a number of his classmates rejected due to the "peer cohort" criteria had higher metrics than yours (MAP-M scores in the 270s and 280s, 99% across the board in other metrics). My suggestion is that you stay away from these kinds of thread topics, and certainly don't start them. I'm sure all the admitted kids are very smart and will do a great job in the MS magnet program, but the lack of transparency in admissions and the lack of a comparably enriched curriculum at the home schools for "peer cohorts" has many parents feeling quite angry about the process. Everyone knows there are not enough seats for the qualified students, so please just let it be.




How does your child feel about the current magnet-lite classes that is currently being offered at the home middle school?


The enriched social studies course is strong, taught by a very experienced teacher known for rigor. Part of the enrichment consists of doing Model UN in the spring. All seems good there, DC is appropriately challenged and has to work for the A. However, the IM course, despite the title change, is the same 7th grade course taught in the past. As far as I can tell, there is no acceleration or enrichment, and my kid is bored to tears. I'm torn between advocating for DC to be moved to Algebra--apparently Frost bumped kids with MAP-Ms 250+ up--and letting the "easy A" be. Any other parents concerned about this?


Are you saying they are trying to enrich the kids by moving them up one grade if they scored 250+ on the MAP-M? On the one hand, this makes sense. On the other hand, I feel like this is a recipe for advancing kids unnecessarily and can potentially lose the deeper thinking we want our kids to have in mathematics.


This is what I was told by a fellow (former) CES parent, that Frost is bumping 250+ MAP-M 6th grade scorers to Algebra (8th grade math). I'm considering asking my W feeder MS about this possibility, but only because the IM course does not appear to be enriched with anything other than a title change. If it were actually enriched, with the cross-disciplinary STEM material listed in the course description, I wouldn't bother. I appreciate that Frost MS at least is trying to do something for these kids!
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2018 13:18     Subject: TPMS MAP-M scores
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:My very good math kid in 5th grade got a 275 in MAP -M (and that was not an aberration based on prior scores) and then got a 255 in 6th grade. Probably had a bad day, but kid also said that there were lots of questions that kid had no idea what they were talking about, very different from elementary MAP-M. I'm not worried, just adding some information.


DS just took MAP-M and experienced a similar drop, 270-something in 5th to 259 in 6th. His teacher told the class most kids experience a drop in 6th because the test has changed, and the 6+ MAP-M test is more challenging than the 2-5 MAP-M. His classmate went from a 282 to 240-something this year, his best friend dropped from 250 to 232. This is anecdotal of course, but seems possible.



OP here again-Exactly, thank you for chiming in- 6th grade MAP-M is quite challenging- there were questions on trigonometry that DC has yet not learnt. The fifth grade MAP -M in 265 dropped to 255. Not concerned as the in class grades are all perfect and there have been no challenges in learning Magnet IM.
Those who are being sarcastic about MAP M scores ranging from 250-294 for magnet class, I wonder what are the MAP M scores for high achieving sixth graders at non magnet schools- considering it is the same MAP-M for magnet and non magnet kids.

OP, my kid and a number of his classmates rejected due to the "peer cohort" criteria had higher metrics than yours (MAP-M scores in the 270s and 280s, 99% across the board in other metrics). My suggestion is that you stay away from these kinds of thread topics, and certainly don't start them. I'm sure all the admitted kids are very smart and will do a great job in the MS magnet program, but the lack of transparency in admissions and the lack of a comparably enriched curriculum at the home schools for "peer cohorts" has many parents feeling quite angry about the process. Everyone knows there are not enough seats for the qualified students, so please just let it be.




I agree with the poster above. I understand the OP's need to justify that her kid isn't sub-par as compared to the previous class, but like everyone else, I feel strongly that MCPS need to do a much better job in creating another center or offer equivalent magnet curriculum at the home middle school. The existing 1 or 2 classes is a good starting move, but simply does not cut it.


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Anonymous
Post 10/10/2018 13:16     Subject: TPMS MAP-M scores
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:My very good math kid in 5th grade got a 275 in MAP -M (and that was not an aberration based on prior scores) and then got a 255 in 6th grade. Probably had a bad day, but kid also said that there were lots of questions that kid had no idea what they were talking about, very different from elementary MAP-M. I'm not worried, just adding some information.


DS just took MAP-M and experienced a similar drop, 270-something in 5th to 259 in 6th. His teacher told the class most kids experience a drop in 6th because the test has changed, and the 6+ MAP-M test is more challenging than the 2-5 MAP-M. His classmate went from a 282 to 240-something this year, his best friend dropped from 250 to 232. This is anecdotal of course, but seems possible.



OP here again-Exactly, thank you for chiming in- 6th grade MAP-M is quite challenging- there were questions on trigonometry that DC has yet not learnt. The fifth grade MAP -M in 265 dropped to 255. Not concerned as the in class grades are all perfect and there have been no challenges in learning Magnet IM.
Those who are being sarcastic about MAP M scores ranging from 250-294 for magnet class, I wonder what are the MAP M scores for high achieving sixth graders at non magnet schools- considering it is the same MAP-M for magnet and non magnet kids.

OP, my kid and a number of his classmates rejected due to the "peer cohort" criteria had higher metrics than yours (MAP-M scores in the 270s and 280s, 99% across the board in other metrics). My suggestion is that you stay away from these kinds of thread topics, and certainly don't start them. I'm sure all the admitted kids are very smart and will do a great job in the MS magnet program, but the lack of transparency in admissions and the lack of a comparably enriched curriculum at the home schools for "peer cohorts" has many parents feeling quite angry about the process. Everyone knows there are not enough seats for the qualified students, so please just let it be.




How does your child feel about the current magnet-lite classes that is currently being offered at the home middle school?


The enriched social studies course is strong, taught by a very experienced teacher known for rigor. Part of the enrichment consists of doing Model UN in the spring. All seems good there, DC is appropriately challenged and has to work for the A. However, the IM course, despite the title change, is the same 7th grade course taught in the past. As far as I can tell, there is no acceleration or enrichment, and my kid is bored to tears. I'm torn between advocating for DC to be moved to Algebra--apparently Frost bumped kids with MAP-Ms 250+ up--and letting the "easy A" be. Any other parents concerned about this?


Are you saying they are trying to enrich the kids by moving them up one grade if they scored 250+ on the MAP-M? On the one hand, this makes sense. On the other hand, I feel like this is a recipe for advancing kids unnecessarily and can potentially lose the deeper thinking we want our kids to have in mathematics.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2018 13:06     Subject: TPMS MAP-M scores
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My very good math kid in 5th grade got a 275 in MAP -M (and that was not an aberration based on prior scores) and then got a 255 in 6th grade. Probably had a bad day, but kid also said that there were lots of questions that kid had no idea what they were talking about, very different from elementary MAP-M. I'm not worried, just adding some information.


DS just took MAP-M and experienced a similar drop, 270-something in 5th to 259 in 6th. His teacher told the class most kids experience a drop in 6th because the test has changed, and the 6+ MAP-M test is more challenging than the 2-5 MAP-M. His classmate went from a 282 to 240-something this year, his best friend dropped from 250 to 232. This is anecdotal of course, but seems possible.



OP here again-Exactly, thank you for chiming in- 6th grade MAP-M is quite challenging- there were questions on trigonometry that DC has yet not learnt. The fifth grade MAP -M in 265 dropped to 255. Not concerned as the in class grades are all perfect and there have been no challenges in learning Magnet IM.
Those who are being sarcastic about MAP M scores ranging from 250-294 for magnet class, I wonder what are the MAP M scores for high achieving sixth graders at non magnet schools- considering it is the same MAP-M for magnet and non magnet kids.

OP, my kid and a number of his classmates rejected due to the "peer cohort" criteria had higher metrics than yours (MAP-M scores in the 270s and 280s, 99% across the board in other metrics). My suggestion is that you stay away from these kinds of thread topics, and certainly don't start them. I'm sure all the admitted kids are very smart and will do a great job in the MS magnet program, but the lack of transparency in admissions and the lack of a comparably enriched curriculum at the home schools for "peer cohorts" has many parents feeling quite angry about the process. Everyone knows there are not enough seats for the qualified students, so please just let it be.




How does your child feel about the current magnet-lite classes that is currently being offered at the home middle school?


The enriched social studies course is strong, taught by a very experienced teacher known for rigor. Part of the enrichment consists of doing Model UN in the spring. All seems good there, DC is appropriately challenged and has to work for the A. However, the IM course, despite the title change, is the same 7th grade course taught in the past. As far as I can tell, there is no acceleration or enrichment, and my kid is bored to tears. I'm torn between advocating for DC to be moved to Algebra--apparently Frost bumped kids with MAP-Ms 250+ up--and letting the "easy A" be. Any other parents concerned about this?
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2018 13:01     Subject: TPMS MAP-M scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My very good math kid in 5th grade got a 275 in MAP -M (and that was not an aberration based on prior scores) and then got a 255 in 6th grade. Probably had a bad day, but kid also said that there were lots of questions that kid had no idea what they were talking about, very different from elementary MAP-M. I'm not worried, just adding some information.


DS just took MAP-M and experienced a similar drop, 270-something in 5th to 259 in 6th. His teacher told the class most kids experience a drop in 6th because the test has changed, and the 6+ MAP-M test is more challenging than the 2-5 MAP-M. His classmate went from a 282 to 240-something this year, his best friend dropped from 250 to 232. This is anecdotal of course, but seems possible.



OP here again-Exactly, thank you for chiming in- 6th grade MAP-M is quite challenging- there were questions on trigonometry that DC has yet not learnt. The fifth grade MAP -M in 265 dropped to 255. Not concerned as the in class grades are all perfect and there have been no challenges in learning Magnet IM.
Those who are being sarcastic about MAP M scores ranging from 250-294 for magnet class, I wonder what are the MAP M scores for high achieving sixth graders at non magnet schools- considering it is the same MAP-M for magnet and non magnet kids.

OP, my kid and a number of his classmates rejected due to the "peer cohort" criteria had higher metrics than yours (MAP-M scores in the 270s and 280s, 99% across the board in other metrics). My suggestion is that you stay away from these kinds of thread topics, and certainly don't start them. I'm sure all the admitted kids are very smart and will do a great job in the MS magnet program, but the lack of transparency in admissions and the lack of a comparably enriched curriculum at the home schools for "peer cohorts" has many parents feeling quite angry about the process. Everyone knows there are not enough seats for the qualified students, so please just let it be.




I agree with the poster above. I understand the OP's need to justify that her kid isn't sub-par as compared to the previous class, but like everyone else, I feel strongly that MCPS need to do a much better job in creating another center or offer equivalent magnet curriculum at the home middle school. The existing 1 or 2 classes is a good starting move, but simply does not cut it.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2018 12:57     Subject: TPMS MAP-M scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My very good math kid in 5th grade got a 275 in MAP -M (and that was not an aberration based on prior scores) and then got a 255 in 6th grade. Probably had a bad day, but kid also said that there were lots of questions that kid had no idea what they were talking about, very different from elementary MAP-M. I'm not worried, just adding some information.


DS just took MAP-M and experienced a similar drop, 270-something in 5th to 259 in 6th. His teacher told the class most kids experience a drop in 6th because the test has changed, and the 6+ MAP-M test is more challenging than the 2-5 MAP-M. His classmate went from a 282 to 240-something this year, his best friend dropped from 250 to 232. This is anecdotal of course, but seems possible.



OP here again-Exactly, thank you for chiming in- 6th grade MAP-M is quite challenging- there were questions on trigonometry that DC has yet not learnt. The fifth grade MAP -M in 265 dropped to 255. Not concerned as the in class grades are all perfect and there have been no challenges in learning Magnet IM.
Those who are being sarcastic about MAP M scores ranging from 250-294 for magnet class, I wonder what are the MAP M scores for high achieving sixth graders at non magnet schools- considering it is the same MAP-M for magnet and non magnet kids.

OP, my kid and a number of his classmates rejected due to the "peer cohort" criteria had higher metrics than yours (MAP-M scores in the 270s and 280s, 99% across the board in other metrics). My suggestion is that you stay away from these kinds of thread topics, and certainly don't start them. I'm sure all the admitted kids are very smart and will do a great job in the MS magnet program, but the lack of transparency in admissions and the lack of a comparably enriched curriculum at the home schools for "peer cohorts" has many parents feeling quite angry about the process. Everyone knows there are not enough seats for the qualified students, so please just let it be.




How does your child feel about the current magnet-lite classes that is currently being offered at the home middle school?
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2018 12:52     Subject: TPMS MAP-M scores
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My very good math kid in 5th grade got a 275 in MAP -M (and that was not an aberration based on prior scores) and then got a 255 in 6th grade. Probably had a bad day, but kid also said that there were lots of questions that kid had no idea what they were talking about, very different from elementary MAP-M. I'm not worried, just adding some information. [/quote]

DS just took MAP-M and experienced a similar drop, 270-something in 5th to 259 in 6th. His teacher told the class most kids experience a drop in 6th because the test has changed, and the 6+ MAP-M test is more challenging than the 2-5 MAP-M. His classmate went from a 282 to 240-something this year, his best friend dropped from 250 to 232. This is anecdotal of course, but seems possible.[/quote]


OP here again-Exactly, thank you for chiming in- 6th grade MAP-M is quite challenging- there were questions on trigonometry that DC has yet not learnt. The fifth grade MAP -M in 265 dropped to 255. Not concerned as the in class grades are all perfect and there have been no challenges in learning Magnet IM.
Those who are being sarcastic about MAP M scores ranging from 250-294 for magnet class, I wonder what are the MAP M scores for high achieving sixth graders at non magnet schools- considering it is the same MAP-M for magnet and non magnet kids.

[b]OP, my kid and a number of his classmates rejected due to the "peer cohort" criteria had higher metrics than yours (MAP-M scores in the 270s and 280s, 99% across the board in other metrics). My suggestion is that you stay away from these kinds of thread topics, and certainly don't start them. I'm sure all the admitted kids are very smart and will do a great job in the MS magnet program, but the lack of transparency in admissions and the lack of a comparably enriched curriculum at the home schools for "peer cohorts" has many parents feeling quite angry about the process. Everyone knows there are not enough seats for the qualified students, so please just let it be.
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Anonymous
Post 10/10/2018 12:52     Subject: TPMS MAP-M scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My very good math kid in 5th grade got a 275 in MAP -M (and that was not an aberration based on prior scores) and then got a 255 in 6th grade. Probably had a bad day, but kid also said that there were lots of questions that kid had no idea what they were talking about, very different from elementary MAP-M. I'm not worried, just adding some information.


DS just took MAP-M and experienced a similar drop, 270-something in 5th to 259 in 6th. His teacher told the class most kids experience a drop in 6th because the test has changed, and the 6+ MAP-M test is more challenging than the 2-5 MAP-M. His classmate went from a 282 to 240-something this year, his best friend dropped from 250 to 232. This is anecdotal of course, but seems possible.



OP here again-Exactly, thank you for chiming in- 6th grade MAP-M is quite challenging- there were questions on trigonometry that DC has yet not learnt. The fifth grade MAP -M in 265 dropped to 255. Not concerned as the in class grades are all perfect and there have been no challenges in learning Magnet IM.
Those who are being sarcastic about MAP M scores ranging from 250-294 for magnet class, I wonder what are the MAP M scores for high achieving sixth graders at non magnet schools- considering it is the same MAP-M for magnet and non magnet kids.

OP, my kid and a number of his classmates rejected due to the "peer cohort" criteria had higher metrics than yours (MAP-M scores in the 270s and 280s, 99% across the board in other metrics). My suggestion is that you stay away from these kinds of thread topics, and certainly don't start them. I'm sure all the admitted kids are very smart and will do a great job in the MS magnet program, but the lack of transparency in admissions and the lack of a comparably enriched curriculum at the home schools for "peer cohorts" has many parents feeling quite angry about the process. Everyone knows there are not enough seats for the qualified students, so please just let it be.


Anonymous
Post 10/10/2018 12:41     Subject: Re:TPMS MAP-M scores
Too many qualified kids and too little seats available;

can MCPS- if they care- do something to have more kids getting what they need even without spending more money?

Maybe our community doesn't need that many academic advance kids?
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2018 12:33     Subject: TPMS MAP-M scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, how did you get to know the range of scores? DC is at TPMS, no way you know EVERYONE's scores. The cutoff score to join the mathcount club for 6 graders is lower this year compared to last year. This, you can verify.


Now this is an interesting data point. I wonder how much lower.


If it was lower, I doubt it was by much, and the numbers are so low it's hard to draw conclusions. I think my kid told me that last year, you just needed 8 or 12 points to get in (I know that's a big difference, but if you were thinking that there were 100 or more points, that gives you some perspective). This year, I can tell you that there were 24 points on the test. I don't know the cutoff. Also, the structure of the class changed. Last year, I don't know how many kids they took, but it was one big class. This year, there is a varsity and JV. The varsity is the top 36 scores. The JV is the next 36 scores among the 6th and 7th graders only.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2018 12:20     Subject: TPMS MAP-M scores
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My very good math kid in 5th grade got a 275 in MAP -M (and that was not an aberration based on prior scores) and then got a 255 in 6th grade. Probably had a bad day, but kid also said that there were lots of questions that kid had no idea what they were talking about, very different from elementary MAP-M. I'm not worried, just adding some information.


DS just took MAP-M and experienced a similar drop, 270-something in 5th to 259 in 6th. His teacher told the class most kids experience a drop in 6th because the test has changed, and the 6+ MAP-M test is more challenging than the 2-5 MAP-M. His classmate went from a 282 to 240-something this year, his best friend dropped from 250 to 232. This is anecdotal of course, but seems possible.



OP here again-Exactly, thank you for chiming in- 6th grade MAP-M is quite challenging- there were questions on trigonometry that DC has yet not learnt. The fifth grade MAP -M in 265 dropped to 255. Not concerned as the in class grades are all perfect and there have been no challenges in learning Magnet IM.
Those who are being sarcastic about MAP M scores ranging from 250-294 for magnet class, I wonder what are the MAP M scores for high achieving sixth graders at non magnet schools- considering it is the same MAP-M for magnet and non magnet kids.


Anonymous
Post 10/10/2018 11:50     Subject: TPMS MAP-M scores
Anonymous wrote:OP, how did you get to know the range of scores? DC is at TPMS, no way you know EVERYONE's scores. The cutoff score to join the mathcount club for 6 graders is lower this year compared to last year. This, you can verify.


Now this is an interesting data point. I wonder how much lower.