I’m a hardcore democrat, was in the Obama administration, and I’m voting for Hogan. I just can’t get behind Jealous

Anonymous wrote:

So, Takoma Park/Silver Spring is to blame? It does seem that Gerogia Avenue to 16th street forms some kind of "woke" belt beginning in DC. Columbia Heights, Adams Morgan, Petworth, Downtown Silver Spring. A lot of young people out of college who care a lot about "social justice" but not enough about the burdens on the taxpayer

Yes but it isn't just the young voters thinking that they are social justice warriors. The old, older, middle age and young people in Takoma Park/Silver Spring do not see beyond their own little bubble area. They pressure local leaders to pour all the resources into their area forgetting any place further north. Germantown desperately needs help but to them its on another planet and not their concern. They see the west as their personal piggy bank with no amount too great as long as it contributes to the betterment of TP/SS. The kicker in respect to the "social justice warriors" in this area is that so many of the 30-40 somethings in that area are complete hypocrites. They want their schools and neighborhoods to have less poverty. They don't want to help the poor they want to move them somewhere else. They segregate terribly within their schools and then brag about loving diversity.

I don't know anyone in up county that wants to keep supporting this area. I'd guess the west is just as fed up.

You would be correct.

Anonymous wrote:For four years I haven't had to worry or budget for the inevitable MD Dem's tax increase's. I'd like another four years of that, I would not get my four years if I voted for Jealous,.

And if we do get a significant tax increase in MoCo I will move to Arlington. There is a limit on how much more I am willing to pay to live in MoCo, especially now that my kids are done with school.

So, Takoma Park/Silver Spring is to blame? It does seem that Gerogia Avenue to 16th street forms some kind of "woke" belt beginning in DC. Columbia Heights, Adams Morgan, Petworth, Downtown Silver Spring. A lot of young people out of college who care a lot about "social justice" but not enough about the burdens on the taxpayer

Yes but it isn't just the young voters thinking that they are social justice warriors. The old, older, middle age and young people in Takoma Park/Silver Spring do not see beyond their own little bubble area. They pressure local leaders to pour all the resources into their area forgetting any place further north. Germantown desperately needs help but to them its on another planet and not their concern. They see the west as their personal piggy bank with no amount too great as long as it contributes to the betterment of TP/SS. The kicker in respect to the "social justice warriors" in this area is that so many of the 30-40 somethings in that area are complete hypocrites. They want their schools and neighborhoods to have less poverty. They don't want to help the poor they want to move them somewhere else. They segregate terribly within their schools and then brag about loving diversity.

I don't know anyone in up county that wants to keep supporting this area. I'd guess the west is just as fed up.

I plan on voting for Jealous at least three times, and possibly up to five.

Anonymous wrote:

Who makes up the left wing contingent of Montgomery County, and why? Where do they stand against hte moderate Democrats or liberal Republicans?

Didn't Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders by a significant margin? That would suggest that if evenly matched - one moderate candidate versus one leftwing candidate - the moderate would win, no? Although I think Nancy Floreen faces a major disadvantage by not being a Democrat, as many voters are probably not paying attention to local elections so much and will just vote against the Party of Trump at any cost. But then, maybe she will have an advantage being a woman.
From what I hear, Maryland Democrats I know appear to have lost respect for her and resent her for a "spoiler campaign."

The left wing contingent of Montgomery County comes mostly from the eastern county. The unions, previous county council, BOE and MCCPTA are all dominated by the eastern county. The local democratic party office is now dominated by the east because its testing the waters to move further into more progressive territory. They aren't in-line with the moderates.

They can effect elections when nothing is too wrong that people don't pay attention. Moderates will vote for the most familiar name. However, this time there are too many problems. The school system being such a disaster is one big hit along with seeing all the job growth in VA. If you are driving across the county in terrible traffic with everyone else going to work in VA, you stop to think about why there are more professional jobs in MD. No one who commutes to VA hasn't at least searched around to see if there is anything equal that does require crossing the bridge.

So, Takoma Park/Silver Spring is to blame? It does seem that Gerogia Avenue to 16th street forms some kind of "woke" belt beginning in DC. Columbia Heights, Adams Morgan, Petworth, Downtown Silver Spring. A lot of young people out of college who care a lot about "social justice" but not enough about the burdens on the taxpayer.

as many voters are probably not paying attention to local elections so much and will just vote against the Party of Trump at any cost. But then, maybe she will have an advantage being a woman.

This is what the further left progressives are hoping will happen. They see this as their moment and the one chance when they can push the party further into their camp. Its risky and a missed opportunity. If the democrats put up rationale, centrist candidates who can connect with voters they would have landslides across the country. In many areas, like Montgomery County they aren't doing this and are pushing progressive candidates that won't win.Hogan would lose if her democratic challenger was moderate. With Jealous, MD will continue to have a Republican governor.

The far extreme's of either party get frustrated that they never get control. They tend to be more aggressive and will seize any chance but it often doesn't work out. It took the far right decades to take over the Republican party.

Everyone I know is voting for Jealous..

Who makes up the left wing contingent of Montgomery County, and why? Where do they stand against hte moderate Democrats or liberal Republicans?

Didn't Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders by a significant margin? That would suggest that if evenly matched - one moderate candidate versus one leftwing candidate - the moderate would win, no? Although I think Nancy Floreen faces a major disadvantage by not being a Democrat, as many voters are probably not paying attention to local elections so much and will just vote against the Party of Trump at any cost. But then, maybe she will have an advantage being a woman.
From what I hear, Maryland Democrats I know appear to have lost respect for her and resent her for a "spoiler campaign."

The left wing contingent of Montgomery County comes mostly from the eastern county. The unions, previous county council, BOE and MCCPTA are all dominated by the eastern county. The local democratic party office is now dominated by the east because its testing the waters to move further into more progressive territory. They aren't in-line with the moderates.

They can effect elections when nothing is too wrong that people don't pay attention. Moderates will vote for the most familiar name. However, this time there are too many problems. The school system being such a disaster is one big hit along with seeing all the job growth in VA. If you are driving across the county in terrible traffic with everyone else going to work in VA, you stop to think about why there are more professional jobs in MD. No one who commutes to VA hasn't at least searched around to see if there is anything equal that does require crossing the bridge.

Anonymous wrote:Is Montgomery County taking a rightward turn, or is it just the demographics of this forum?

MoCo elected Jamie Raskin, and Marc Elrich won the most votes out of the last three Council races, and Anthony Brown won MoCo pretty handily in 2014, and Trump won less than 20% of the vote.

And yet from perusing this particular forum, I get a sense that people are more fiscally moderate/conservative while socially liberal. A lot of Hogan/Floreen voters it seems.

FWIW, I have no dog in this fight, I live in Chevy Chase DC.
I just wonder out of curiosity if something in particular made this rightward turn, or if it is just this DCUM demographic.

Lot of left leaning independents who are willing to lean to the right.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is Montgomery County taking a rightward turn, or is it just the demographics of this forum?

MoCo elected Jamie Raskin, and Marc Elrich won the most votes out of the last three Council races, and Anthony Brown won MoCo pretty handily in 2014, and Trump won less than 20% of the vote.

And yet from perusing this particular forum, I get a sense that people are more fiscally moderate/conservative while socially liberal. A lot of Hogan/Floreen voters it seems.

FWIW, I have no dog in this fight, I live in Chevy Chase DC.
I just wonder out of curiosity if something in particular made this rightward turn, or if it is just this DCUM demographic.

The left has been moving further and further left and, in this particular election, the right is pretty centrist. That leaves a lot of people crossing over, particularly someone who is in a family with two adults working full-time who, collectively make a solid living, but hardly feel that they are "rich" and should be viewed as a never ending piggy bank.

Chevy Chase DC poster here - so who voted for Raskin in the 8th district and Elrich in the council elections? From what I observe as an outsider, and morseo in the 2018 county Executive primary than the 2016 congressional primary, but still more or less the case - it seems like the left wing candidates won pluralities against multiple more moderate candidates. But the left wing candidates seem to have significant support. Who makes up the left wing contingent of Montgomery County, and why? Where do they stand against hte moderate Democrats or liberal Republicans?

Didn't Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders by a significant margin? That would suggest that if evenly matched - one moderate candidate versus one leftwing candidate - the moderate would win, no? Although I think Nancy Floreen faces a major disadvantage by not being a Democrat, as many voters are probably not paying attention to local elections so much and will just vote against the Party of Trump at any cost. But then, maybe she will have an advantage being a woman.
From what I hear, Maryland Democrats I know appear to have lost respect for her and resent her for a "spoiler campaign."

Elrich only beat Blair by 161 votes in the primary with a field of 6 candidates and over 129,000 votes cast.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is Montgomery County taking a rightward turn, or is it just the demographics of this forum?

MoCo elected Jamie Raskin, and Marc Elrich won the most votes out of the last three Council races, and Anthony Brown won MoCo pretty handily in 2014, and Trump won less than 20% of the vote.

And yet from perusing this particular forum, I get a sense that people are more fiscally moderate/conservative while socially liberal. A lot of Hogan/Floreen voters it seems.

FWIW, I have no dog in this fight, I live in Chevy Chase DC.
I just wonder out of curiosity if something in particular made this rightward turn, or if it is just this DCUM demographic.

The left has been moving further and further left and, in this particular election, the right is pretty centrist. That leaves a lot of people crossing over, particularly someone who is in a family with two adults working full-time who, collectively make a solid living, but hardly feel that they are "rich" and should be viewed as a never ending piggy bank.

Chevy Chase DC poster here - so who voted for Raskin in the 8th district and Elrich in the council elections? From what I observe as an outsider, and morseo in the 2018 county Executive primary than the 2016 congressional primary, but still more or less the case - it seems like the left wing candidates won pluralities against multiple more moderate candidates. But the left wing candidates seem to have significant support. Who makes up the left wing contingent of Montgomery County, and why? Where do they stand against hte moderate Democrats or liberal Republicans?

Didn't Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders by a significant margin? That would suggest that if evenly matched - one moderate candidate versus one leftwing candidate - the moderate would win, no? Although I think Nancy Floreen faces a major disadvantage by not being a Democrat, as many voters are probably not paying attention to local elections so much and will just vote against the Party of Trump at any cost. But then, maybe she will have an advantage being a woman.
From what I hear, Maryland Democrats I know appear to have lost respect for her and resent her for a "spoiler campaign."

Anonymous wrote:Is Montgomery County taking a rightward turn, or is it just the demographics of this forum?

MoCo elected Jamie Raskin, and Marc Elrich won the most votes out of the last three Council races, and Anthony Brown won MoCo pretty handily in 2014, and Trump won less than 20% of the vote.

And yet from perusing this particular forum, I get a sense that people are more fiscally moderate/conservative while socially liberal. A lot of Hogan/Floreen voters it seems.

FWIW, I have no dog in this fight, I live in Chevy Chase DC.
I just wonder out of curiosity if something in particular made this rightward turn, or if it is just this DCUM demographic.

The left has been moving further and further left and, in this particular election, the right is pretty centrist. That leaves a lot of people crossing over, particularly someone who is in a family with two adults working full-time who, collectively make a solid living, but hardly feel that they are "rich" and should be viewed as a never ending piggy bank.

And yet from perusing this particular forum, I get a sense that people are more fiscally moderate/conservative while socially liberal. A lot of Hogan/Floreen voters it seems.

FWIW, I have no dog in this fight, I live in Chevy Chase DC.
I just wonder out of curiosity if something in particular made this rightward turn, or if it is just this DCUM demographic.

Montgomery County has always had a majority of fiscally moderate/socially liberal voters. I don't think they have moved to the right but that the county level Democratic Party has moved further to the left and more importantly is really perceived to only care about and represent a small area Ehrlich -eastern county and Jealous-Blatimore. The leaders and policies are so concentrated in the east that there is dangerous bubble/echo chamber over there and they don't realize that they have lost the rest of the county.

Up county voters are frustrated that everything in the county funnels to the east. The county, BOE and MCPS basically ignore them even though there are schools in up county that have just as much poverty and crime as schools in the east. Up county voters see resources being taken away from their schools and poured into the eastern schools. They see that those resources end up being split between the needy kids in the DCC and providing special magnets or pull outs to convince wealthier DCC residents to stay in the area. The same goes for transportation where investment always goes into the east and up county is forgotten. They feel ignored and used.

West county voters are frustrated with the BOE/MCPS ignoring their needs and being at best antagonistic/worst hostile toward any needs from the west. Why support a candidate that is heavily connected to a group of people that hate you, want to take down your schools and get whatever they can from you?

If the county/BOE put forward a targeted increase that would shrink class sizes and improve teacher/student ratios -equally across the county, it would win in a heart beat. Even if for some reason it didn't pass, just the appearance that someone in the county council or BOE have two hoots about the rest of the county would go far. However with the current leadership, this would never happen. It would be turned into Saturday school only for Silver Spring or expansion of a magnet only in the DCC. A vote for "education" would never improve the education in your area -in fact chances are that you would be voting to lesson the quality of education in your area.

Anonymous wrote:Is Montgomery County taking a rightward turn, or is it just the demographics of this forum?

MoCo elected Jamie Raskin, and Marc Elrich won the most votes out of the last three Council races, and Anthony Brown won MoCo pretty handily in 2014, and Trump won less than 20% of the vote.

And yet from perusing this particular forum, I get a sense that people are more fiscally moderate/conservative while socially liberal. A lot of Hogan/Floreen voters it seems.

FWIW, I have no dog in this fight, I live in Chevy Chase DC.
I just wonder out of curiosity if something in particular made this rightward turn, or if it is just this DCUM demographic.

Likely skewed poster demographics. Anyone involved in Democratic politics here is excited about a Jealous. People who are apathetic except the month before elections? Who knows?