I would LOVE to quit. But I have too many years in. When I started, I loved it. Things have radically changed in education. I'm not 24 and naive anymore. But most of all, I feel the way schools are run are harmful to children and while I have tried, I cannot seem to change that. I could leave, but then my own children would be screwed over and financially we'd be in a terrible place. So, I stay. The second I turn 55, I'm out. I'm not unhappy with my pay. I've learned to simply stop working once I get close to 50 hours a week no matter what. I am terribly unhappy with things too long to get into here. 7 more years and I'm done.

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Anonymous wrote:But then why bitch about it ad nauseam?

FWIW, I had a career I loved, and I made pennies. I never complained about the pay because I knew what I was getting in to beforehand, and I knew it would never change. I loved it regardless.

Were you providing a critical service to mankind? I’m betting no. So.... STFU.

And pray tell, why are americans so uneducated after 13 years under your guidance?

Poor parenting. Abdication of parental responsibility to schools. Teachers shouldn't have to act as de facto parents in addition to their actual jobs. --NP (and not a teacher).

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Anonymous wrote:But then why bitch about it ad nauseam?

FWIW, I had a career I loved, and I made pennies. I never complained about the pay because I knew what I was getting in to beforehand, and I knew it would never change. I loved it regardless.

Were you providing a critical service to mankind? I’m betting no. So.... STFU.

And pray tell, why are americans so uneducated after 13 years under your guidance?

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers have the same frustration as so many in the middle class. Wage stagnation, demands for more productivity, pensions being attacked, increasing health insurance costs. I'm in that rut but I only get three weeks of vacation a year, not 12-15.

It's not vacation. It's an unpaid furlough. Teachers have a contract that states how many days per year that they are required to work.

This must be such a shock and surprise to teachers. If only they had known this before they went to college for teaching!

I'm pointing out that the "vacation" days are unpaid. Some people think that teachers get lots of paid vacation time.

It can be paid if they choose that option. I have a teacher friend who is paid smaller amounts all year. For her it works.

Having money withheld doesn't mean you're getting paid in the summer. It just means that you've spread out the money you earned during the school year.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers have the same frustration as so many in the middle class. Wage stagnation, demands for more productivity, pensions being attacked, increasing health insurance costs. I'm in that rut but I only get three weeks of vacation a year, not 12-15.

It's not vacation. It's an unpaid furlough. Teachers have a contract that states how many days per year that they are required to work.

This must be such a shock and surprise to teachers. If only they had known this before they went to college for teaching!

I'm pointing out that the "vacation" days are unpaid. Some people think that teachers get lots of paid vacation time.

It can be paid if they choose that option. I have a teacher friend who is paid smaller amounts all year. For her it works.

1. Not all districts have that option.
2. Her vacations still aren't paid. She doesn't get to chose when to take time off. Instead, she is told not to report to work on certain days. That's still an unpaid furlough.

Anonymous wrote:But then why bitch about it ad nauseam?

FWIW, I had a career I loved, and I made pennies. I never complained about the pay because I knew what I was getting in to beforehand, and I knew it would never change. I loved it regardless.

Were you providing a critical service to mankind? I’m betting no. So.... STFU.

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Anonymous wrote:60K for working 9 months is the same as 80K for 12 months. Not bad. And it only takes a 4 year degree and maybe a certification.

What kind of seasonal summer work do you think a teacher will find that will pay them $20k during that time?

You must be forgetting that teachers have to get advanced degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers have the same frustration as so many in the middle class. Wage stagnation, demands for more productivity, pensions being attacked, increasing health insurance costs. I'm in that rut but I only get three weeks of vacation a year, not 12-15.

It's not vacation. It's an unpaid furlough. Teachers have a contract that states how many days per year that they are required to work.

This must be such a shock and surprise to teachers. If only they had known this before they went to college for teaching!

I'm pointing out that the "vacation" days are unpaid. Some people think that teachers get lots of paid vacation time.

It can be paid if they choose that option. I have a teacher friend who is paid smaller amounts all year. For her it works.

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Anonymous wrote:But then why bitch about it ad nauseam?

FWIW, I had a career I loved, and I made pennies. I never complained about the pay because I knew what I was getting in to beforehand, and I knew it would never change. I loved it regardless.

Kudos to you and all that but everyone is different. And not all teachers are "bitching" all the time.

People are allowed to vent - if taking your stance if once people get married are they just supposed to STFU about their spouse? We'd all be single, I promise you.

You don't sound like you are well versed in social dynamics and life in general.

Well, it’s like going and buying a green car but then complaining your car is green. Or going to donate blood but hen being upset it hurt and you were tired afterwards. Or complaining that your husband is lazy when he was lazy before you married him.

Nobody wants to hear people complain about things they knew about and had control over. That’s different from venting and you know it.

Or hanging out with people who you know complain about their jobs and then complain about them complaining.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers have the same frustration as so many in the middle class. Wage stagnation, demands for more productivity, pensions being attacked, increasing health insurance costs. I'm in that rut but I only get three weeks of vacation a year, not 12-15.

It's not vacation. It's an unpaid furlough. Teachers have a contract that states how many days per year that they are required to work.

This must be such a shock and surprise to teachers. If only they had known this before they went to college for teaching!

I'm pointing out that the "vacation" days are unpaid. Some people think that teachers get lots of paid vacation time.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers have the same frustration as so many in the middle class. Wage stagnation, demands for more productivity, pensions being attacked, increasing health insurance costs. I'm in that rut but I only get three weeks of vacation a year, not 12-15.

It's not vacation. It's an unpaid furlough. Teachers have a contract that states how many days per year that they are required to work.

This must be such a shock and surprise to teachers. If only they had known this before they went to college for teaching!

Anonymous wrote:Teachers have the same frustration as so many in the middle class. Wage stagnation, demands for more productivity, pensions being attacked, increasing health insurance costs. I'm in that rut but I only get three weeks of vacation a year, not 12-15.

It's not vacation. It's an unpaid furlough. Teachers have a contract that states how many days per year that they are required to work.

Teachers have the same frustration as so many in the middle class. Wage stagnation, demands for more productivity, pensions being attacked, increasing health insurance costs. I'm in that rut but I only get three weeks of vacation a year, not 12-15.

Tons of vacation time and a good pension.

Anonymous wrote:60K for working 9 months is the same as 80K for 12 months. Not bad. And it only takes a 4 year degree and maybe a certification.

What kind of seasonal summer work do you think a teacher will find that will pay them $20k during that time?