PBES is not over crowded. I know for a fact that the average class size for 3rd grade this year is 23. Last year it was 26 so there is some flux.

This is Piney Branch: https://ibb.co/hhJts9

This is Rolling Terrace: https://ibb.co/dPrwC9

This is East Silver Spring: https://ibb.co/bvhskU

This is Flora Singer: https://ibb.co/eYXxKp

The county will benefit when they spin up more local centers like the ones at PBES and RCES.

Interesting that you chose RCES as a comparative school. RCES had terrible PARRC scores considering how low the FARMS rate is at that school. Pass rates were in the 50s and 60s which for a wealthy area that doesn't have kids entering years below grade level is really bad. Go a few miles down the road and Cold Spring had a 98% pass rate. Cold Spring is a less wealthy area of Potomac while Rachel Carson pulls from the most expensive area in gaithersburg -not much SES difference in the populations. Both schools have a CES. So its either that within the same SES range smarter people with smarter kids choose Cold Spring while dumber people with dumber kids choose Rachel Carson OR much more likely there is something wrong at RCES.

My money is on the overcrowding which is the same problem at Piney Branch. Its crazy to have a CES at overcrowded schools which just increases the overcrowding! Based on the low score performance, a CES is not what these schools need and is just for show to appease parents who think their kid is gifted.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data on GS, the schools in question seem to be about the same. You people are splitting hairs.

Did you read these stats? For parents of black children, this is not splitting hairs.
5th grade math met or exceeded percentages at Piney Branch:
Black - 15%

Hispanic - 25%


For Rolling Terrace, those numbers were:

Black - 11%

Hispanic - 16%


For East Silver Spring (the other ES that has some Takoma Park kids), the numbers were:

Black - 39%

Hispanic - 27%

Can you provide a link to a page that shows these numbers? This is different than what's available on GS.

These numbers are from the MD school report card for 2018 Parcc scores.

Provide a link that shows these scores.

Someone already posted this link to the MD state report card on the first page of this thread. But you have to navigate through the filters to get the breakdown by race, grade and for the different schools. Given that you couldn’t find the link already posted in this thread, I don’t have great confidence that you will be able to navigate the filters to find the numbers that have been pulled out. But give it a try.http://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/ParccTrends.aspx?PV=71:3:15:0749:3:N:0:13:1:2:5:1:1:2:3

I know that page just has a bunch of graphs. It doesn't provide the data so concluding this is fiction.

Oh my gosh, can you please figure out how to navigate the data filters at that link, before you come back here and complain? You can filter for grade 5 math, then filter for met expectations, then filter all races, and it will give you percentages. Then navigate to the page for ESS and do the same thing. I’m not going to do all those filters and post screenshots for you.

Not PP, but I'll even give you a primer.

Choose Math Gr5

Choose 2018 All Proficiencies

Choose All Races/Ethnicities

THAT is where PPs have all managed to find the data being posted. The Great Schools data is from 2017, but the data we are discussing is from spring 2018. We are using newer scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data on GS, the schools in question seem to be about the same. You people are splitting hairs.

Did you read these stats? For parents of black children, this is not splitting hairs.
5th grade math met or exceeded percentages at Piney Branch:
Black - 15%

Hispanic - 25%


For Rolling Terrace, those numbers were:

Black - 11%

Hispanic - 16%


For East Silver Spring (the other ES that has some Takoma Park kids), the numbers were:

Black - 39%

Hispanic - 27%

Can you provide a link to a page that shows these numbers? This is different than what's available on GS.

These numbers are from the MD school report card for 2018 Parcc scores.

Provide a link that shows these scores.

Someone already posted this link to the MD state report card on the first page of this thread. But you have to navigate through the filters to get the breakdown by race, grade and for the different schools. Given that you couldn’t find the link already posted in this thread, I don’t have great confidence that you will be able to navigate the filters to find the numbers that have been pulled out. But give it a try.http://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/ParccTrends.aspx?PV=71:3:15:0749:3:N:0:13:1:2:5:1:1:2:3

I know that page just has a bunch of graphs. It doesn't provide the data so concluding this is fiction.

Oh my gosh, can you please figure out how to navigate the data filters at that link, before you come back here and complain? You can filter for grade 5 math, then filter for met expectations, then filter all races, and it will give you percentages. Then navigate to the page for ESS and do the same thing. I’m not going to do all those filters and post screenshots for you.

Anonymous wrote:In two or three years PBES will be a GS 9 or possibly 10. Nevertheless, some groups will be continuing to struggle at PBES and in MCPS. The county will have made little progress closing the achievement gap because it's a fool's errand. This has been covered on these boards in numerous other threads.

You're right. Until all parents take responsibility for their children and stop expecting the county to do everything this situation isn't going to improve.

In two or three years PBES will be a GS 9 or possibly 10. Nevertheless, some groups will be continuing to struggle at PBES and in MCPS. The county will have made little progress closing the achievement gap because it's a fool's errand. This has been covered on these boards in numerous other threads.

Anonymous wrote:PBES is really overcrowded. Although it's a focus school, the classes are normal sized, and there's no room to expand. This isn't helping and likely related to the problem being discussed.

BINGO!

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Anonymous wrote:How is the Piney Branch CES?

We love it! The county will benefit when they spin up more local centers like the ones at PBES and RCES.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data on GS, the schools in question seem to be about the same. You people are splitting hairs.

Did you read these stats? For parents of black children, this is not splitting hairs.
5th grade math met or exceeded percentages at Piney Branch:
Black - 15%

Hispanic - 25%


For Rolling Terrace, those numbers were:

Black - 11%

Hispanic - 16%


For East Silver Spring (the other ES that has some Takoma Park kids), the numbers were:

Black - 39%

Hispanic - 27%

Can you provide a link to a page that shows these numbers? This is different than what's available on GS.

These numbers are from the MD school report card for 2018 Parcc scores.

Provide a link that shows these scores.

Someone already posted this link to the MD state report card on the first page of this thread. But you have to navigate through the filters to get the breakdown by race, grade and for the different schools. Given that you couldn’t find the link already posted in this thread, I don’t have great confidence that you will be able to navigate the filters to find the numbers that have been pulled out. But give it a try.http://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/ParccTrends.aspx?PV=71:3:15:0749:3:N:0:13:1:2:5:1:1:2:3

I know that page just has a bunch of graphs. It doesn't provide the data so concluding this is fiction.

PBES is really overcrowded. Although it's a focus school, the classes are normal sized, and there's no room to expand. This isn't helping and likely related to the problem being discussed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at the data on GS, the schools in question seem to be about the same. You people are splitting hairs.

Did you read these stats? For parents of black children, this is not splitting hairs.
5th grade math met or exceeded percentages at Piney Branch:
Black - 15%

Hispanic - 25%


For Rolling Terrace, those numbers were:

Black - 11%

Hispanic - 16%


For East Silver Spring (the other ES that has some Takoma Park kids), the numbers were:

Black - 39%

Hispanic - 27%

Can you provide a link to a page that shows these numbers? This is different than what's available on GS.

These numbers are from the MD school report card for 2018 Parcc scores.

Provide a link that shows these scores.

Someone already posted this link to the MD state report card on the first page of this thread. But you have to navigate through the filters to get the breakdown by race, grade and for the different schools. Given that you couldn’t find the link already posted in this thread, I don’t have great confidence that you will be able to navigate the filters to find the numbers that have been pulled out. But give it a try.http://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/ParccTrends.aspx?PV=71:3:15:0749:3:N:0:13:1:2:5:1:1:2:3

Anonymous wrote:How is the Piney Branch CES?

We love it! The county will benefit when they spin up more local centers like the ones at PBES and RCES.

How is the Piney Branch CES?

Anonymous wrote:Piney Branch has never been considered a good school. Its only recently that a few DCUM posters have decided to pump their neighborhood. The school is overcrowded, low performing and does a poor job with all students but the parents are overly invested in pretending its just dandy. A new principal isn't going to change things.

Some of the other schools with far more FARMS kids are doing so much better because the teachers can really focus on those kids. At PBES there are so many zealous, whiny white parents wanting it to become the Bethesda of the east that resources gets scattered trying to placate them with faux differentiation when in the end their kids do no better anyway.

My 4th grader who goes there is doing great. They scored in the 240's on their MAP-M, 230's on their MAP-R, and 5's on their PARCC. Overall we've had a great experience, but we're also supportive of our child's education. This is a diverse school and many parents have different priorities.