Anonymous
Post 08/27/2018 15:32     Subject: Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain
What do you mean he didn't toe the line? He voted with Trump 90% of the time. Did you mean to say he said he didn't toe the line? You remind me of an old joke.


He passed a campaign finance reform bill - unfortunately gutted by the courts.

he passed a bill to limit torture. during the Bush Admin.

he pushed for real action on climate change.

Yes, he was a conservative, and went along with DJT because most of DJTs actual legislative agenda has been garden variety conservatism. But he has also been a model of integrity, as he has been for decades.
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2018 15:25     Subject: Re:Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.


So you think if Trump, for instance, dies, a similarly hushed reaction would be warranted?


Nothing is warranted for the conman! He gets what he dishes out!


Pretty sure McCain's (as well as HRC's, GWB's, etc.) body count dwarfs Trump's and will for quite a while. Personally, I care more about actual famage, including death, inflicted on actual people than I do about Trump's imagined slights of vague concepts like 'norms' cherished by those who have a long history of looking the other way when their fellow humans suffer.

Nothing pro-Trump about that, just trying to re-inject some reality into the discussion.


+1. Although the norm shredding and corruption and breaking the law will harm us in a much more concrete way then the warmongering, but perhaps we deserve it. Perhaps it’s time that we starting paying for our decisions.
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2018 15:16     Subject: Re:Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.


So you think if Trump, for instance, dies, a similarly hushed reaction would be warranted?


There would be block parties and cheering in the street singing,"Ding dong the SOB is dead, ding dong the crazy SOB is dead"!
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2018 14:34     Subject: Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain
Anonymous wrote:deliberately tried to protect fat meg's 200 million inheritance with a god awful tax bill.


Right? But he's a herrrrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooo!!
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2018 14:26     Subject: Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain
deliberately tried to protect fat meg's 200 million inheritance with a god awful tax bill.
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2018 14:17     Subject: Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone, he was a Republican. Not a Democrat.
So maybe he didn't align with your values and he certainly did have a reputation for being crabby. And sure he made some shitty choices (who the F hasn't?? Who is perfect?), but he didn't toe the line, he was candid, he was courageous, he was tough and that is what people are remembering and celebrating.

It's really poor taste to come on here and speak ill of him, although I'm sure he'd have a laugh at it and throw a fun insult back at you!



What do you mean he didn't toe the line? He voted with Trump 90% of the time. Did you mean to say he said he didn't toe the line? You remind me of an old joke.

An old guy comes to the doctor. "I can't make love to my wife anymore," he says.

"How old are you?" the doctor asks. "Eighty-nine," the guy answers.

"Perhaps your love-making days are over at this age," the doctor says.

"But my neighbor is ninety-one, and he says he still can do it twice a night," the guy argues.

"Hmm. Well, you can say that too, you know."

McCain wasn't really a maverick in his voting choices. He just said he was one.


Sorry, yes it was a typo!
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2018 14:12     Subject: Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain
Anonymous wrote:What I always knew:

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/27/john-mccain-fake-maverick-horrible-record/

Calling a child ugly?

Being utterly callous toward the deaths of millions of brown people?

Riding his silver spoon every chance he got?

Maverick. Whatever.


thanks OP for posting this - can we be friends?
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2018 13:57     Subject: Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain
Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone, he was a Republican. Not a Democrat.
So maybe he didn't align with your values and he certainly did have a reputation for being crabby. And sure he made some shitty choices (who the F hasn't?? Who is perfect?), but he didn't toe the line, he was candid, he was courageous, he was tough and that is what people are remembering and celebrating.

It's really poor taste to come on here and speak ill of him, although I'm sure he'd have a laugh at it and throw a fun insult back at you!



What do you mean he didn't toe the line? He voted with Trump 90% of the time. Did you mean to say he said he didn't toe the line? You remind me of an old joke.

An old guy comes to the doctor. "I can't make love to my wife anymore," he says.

"How old are you?" the doctor asks. "Eighty-nine," the guy answers.

"Perhaps your love-making days are over at this age," the doctor says.

"But my neighbor is ninety-one, and he says he still can do it twice a night," the guy argues.

"Hmm. Well, you can say that too, you know."

McCain wasn't really a maverick in his voting choices. He just said he was one.
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2018 13:56     Subject: Re:Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain
There were approximately 600 POWs in the Vietnam war. Have any of them received the sort of adulation that McCain has done as a war hero because he was a POW? I am sure most of them were badly mistreated and possibly tortured.

I respect McCain for actually having gone and fought - just as I respected Kerry. But for a person who saw the ravages of war, I could never understand his affinity for military action.
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2018 13:52     Subject: Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain
Anonymous wrote:OP is just a Trump supporter trying to lend legitimacy to the deplorable non-presidential response from the squatter in the WH.


This. 100%.
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2018 13:51     Subject: Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain
Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone, he was a Republican. Not a Democrat.
So maybe he didn't align with your values and he certainly did have a reputation for being crabby. And sure he made some shitty choices (who the F hasn't?? Who is perfect?), but he didn't toe the line, he was candid, he was courageous, he was tough and that is what people are remembering and celebrating.

It's really poor taste to come on here and speak ill of him, although I'm sure he'd have a laugh at it and throw a fun insult back at you!



I didn't speak ill of him. I don't know him. I find his policy choices to be abhorrent. If you think that his death is reason enough to whitewash it, so be it. If you think insults are an appropriate response to disagreement with his policies, so be it.
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2018 13:48     Subject: Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain
Anonymous wrote:Hello everyone, he was a Republican. Not a Democrat.
So maybe he didn't align with your values and he certainly did have a reputation for being crabby. And sure he made some shitty choices (who the F hasn't?? Who is perfect?), but he didn't toe the line, he was candid, he was courageous, he was tough and that is what people are remembering and celebrating.

It's really poor taste to come on here and speak ill of him, although I'm sure he'd have a laugh at it and throw a fun insult back at you!



I really hope you are extending a proportional concern to the victims of his warmongering.
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2018 13:46     Subject: Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Silverspoon a-hole who was wholly unqualified to be flying the planes he crashed. He was being groomed from a young age to be potus, including checking the boxes in the war.

Warmongerer who dragged us into a 20 year (and never ending) ME war. What's the total so far, $5 trillion from the treasury, 6,000 American deaths, 60,000 Americans wounded, 100s of thousands of dead Arabs?

Somehow worth $40M from being a public servant.

Sorry, not a great guy.


... "bomb, bomb Iran!"



I always think of McCain joking about that when people rush to admire him.
Anonymous
Post 08/27/2018 13:43     Subject: Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain
Anonymous wrote:Silverspoon a-hole who was wholly unqualified to be flying the planes he crashed. He was being groomed from a young age to be potus, including checking the boxes in the war.

Warmongerer who dragged us into a 20 year (and never ending) ME war. What's the total so far, $5 trillion from the treasury, 6,000 American deaths, 60,000 Americans wounded, 100s of thousands of dead Arabs?

Somehow worth $40M from being a public servant.

Sorry, not a great guy.


... "bomb, bomb Iran!"

Anonymous
Post 08/27/2018 13:41     Subject: Re:Kinda disgusted by the postmortem canonization of John McCain
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s a social tradition when someone dies to focus on the progress. Just respect it, don’t go to cnn.com, and recognize that the scrutiny that all politicians are subject to will happen in due time.


So you think if Trump, for instance, dies, a similarly hushed reaction would be warranted?


Nothing is warranted for the conman! He gets what he dishes out!


Pretty sure McCain's (as well as HRC's, GWB's, etc.) body count dwarfs Trump's and will for quite a while. Personally, I care more about actual famage, including death, inflicted on actual people than I do about Trump's imagined slights of vague concepts like 'norms' cherished by those who have a long history of looking the other way when their fellow humans suffer.

Nothing pro-Trump about that, just trying to re-inject some reality into the discussion.