Anonymous
08/11/2018 10:15
Subject: Beyoncé's Family Tree and history
Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone spend two pages trying to romanticize the relationship between slaveowners and female slaves? Like seriously ARGUING that the slaves could have loved their owner. You need to ask yourself why the idea of a white man raping a slave is something you reject so strongly you need to twist all such relationships into some antebellum love story.
+100000000. The ignorance astounds.
Anonymous
08/10/2018 13:22
Subject: Re:Beyoncé's Family Tree and history
PP again. Agreed. For example, the "relationship" of sorts between Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings. She was a quadroon" (1/4 black, herself the product of a relationship betwen a 1/2 black slave mother and white slave owner) slave who accompanied his similarly aged daughter to France when he Minister to France. He apparently fathered several of her children beginning when she was still a teen.
https://www.monticello.org/sallyhemings/
Perhaps the notion of consensual relations are more palatable--but for subjugated people, I don't think this is an accurate view.
Agreed. To add an extra creep factor to the Hemmings-Jefferson pairing, she was likely the half-sister of Jefferson's wife and was only a teen when she accompanied Jefferson to Paris, when most believe the "relationship" began. So, basically, Thomas Jefferson, Founding Father, Celebrated Author of the Declaration of Independence, Rapist.
Anonymous
08/10/2018 13:10
Subject: Beyoncé's Family Tree and history
Interesting piece that addresses Beyoncé’s characterization of her ancestor “falling in love” with a slave. It also discusses how enslaved men were also subjugated in sexual relationships with slaveowners at the time.
http://time.com/5362781/beyonce-ancestor-slavery-marriage/
http://time.com/5362781/beyonce-ancestor-slavery-marriage/
Anonymous
08/10/2018 08:37
Subject: Beyoncé's Family Tree and history
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Interesting, you're still coming back and reading and responding. Maybe you don't find her so boring after all.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sure many people agree with you but most people aren't opening and reading threads about people or things they find boring so don't be surprised if nobody in this thread agrees with you.Anonymous wrote:Am I the only person who finds Beyonce boring?
I thought maybe there'd be something actually interesting in this thread related to Beyonce's family tree. I was wrong; it's as boring as she is. Apparently, based on some of the responses here, I'm not the only person who finds it unremarkable.
I do continue to find her boring, but irritating her fans by saying so is fun and satisfying. Thanks for playing.
If you find that satisfying, then you really need to get a hobby!
Anonymous
08/10/2018 05:43
Subject: Beyoncé's Family Tree and history
Anonymous wrote:Interesting, you're still coming back and reading and responding. Maybe you don't find her so boring after all.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sure many people agree with you but most people aren't opening and reading threads about people or things they find boring so don't be surprised if nobody in this thread agrees with you.Anonymous wrote:Am I the only person who finds Beyonce boring?
I thought maybe there'd be something actually interesting in this thread related to Beyonce's family tree. I was wrong; it's as boring as she is. Apparently, based on some of the responses here, I'm not the only person who finds it unremarkable.
I do continue to find her boring, but irritating her fans by saying so is fun and satisfying. Thanks for playing.
Anonymous
08/09/2018 20:45
Subject: Beyoncé's Family Tree and history
Interesting, you're still coming back and reading and responding. Maybe you don't find her so boring after all.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sure many people agree with you but most people aren't opening and reading threads about people or things they find boring so don't be surprised if nobody in this thread agrees with you.Anonymous wrote:Am I the only person who finds Beyonce boring?
I thought maybe there'd be something actually interesting in this thread related to Beyonce's family tree. I was wrong; it's as boring as she is. Apparently, based on some of the responses here, I'm not the only person who finds it unremarkable.
Anonymous
08/09/2018 20:21
Subject: Beyoncé's Family Tree and history
Anonymous wrote:I'm sure many people agree with you but most people aren't opening and reading threads about people or things they find boring so don't be surprised if nobody in this thread agrees with you.Anonymous wrote:Am I the only person who finds Beyonce boring?
I thought maybe there'd be something actually interesting in this thread related to Beyonce's family tree. I was wrong; it's as boring as she is. Apparently, based on some of the responses here, I'm not the only person who finds it unremarkable.
Anonymous
08/09/2018 20:18
Subject: Beyoncé's Family Tree and history
The slave trade from Africa to the US was greatly reduced after 1810. Unlike the Caribbean and South America, the US had a self-reproducing population of enslaved people with a normal gender split overall. A sugar plantation in LA might have a more heavily male workforce, but urban LA was a huge “fancy market” for young women of color and even bigger demand for female domestic servants.
Anonymous
08/09/2018 20:16
Subject: Beyoncé's Family Tree and history
+1Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone spend two pages trying to romanticize the relationship between slaveowners and female slaves? Like seriously ARGUING that the slaves could have loved their owner. You need to ask yourself why the idea of a white man raping a slave is something you reject so strongly you need to twist all such relationships into some antebellum love story.