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jsteele wrote:I know a lot of this is covered in the Putin Summit thread, but this is really so extraordinary that it deserves its own thread. Trump started out today blaming previous American administrations and the Mueller probe for US - Russia levels being very bad. But, standing next to Putin at their press conference, Trump repeated those charges and more. Trump attacked Democrats and the FBI, he didn't defend the US from repeated outrageous allegations about America from Putin, and failed to challenge Putin on a single issue.

The bottom line is that Trump sided with Putin against his own government and people.

Get your story straight - he didn’t side against his own government, he sided against Democrats. This what he ran on, and he still stands by it. He didn’t side against his people- actually the statement he made is supportive to the people who elected him.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think President Trump attacked America. He attacked Mueller, Strozk, Pakistani guy, and FBI investigators who didn't take possession of DNC servers. I don't think we should equate those with America.

I don't like his performance today either. But he will never be your typical politician. He says what's on his mind.

Those are Americans...

Nope, they are not acting in the best interest of Americans

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Anonymous wrote:I'm conservative and I'm not a fan of this. I do have a serious question though for those of you and truly think you are witnessing the destruction or demise of America: What is it exactly that you fear is being destroyed? Do you really think that all the freedom you enjoy (and always have because nobody has been able to destroy it up to this point) is truly at risk? You'll have a new President in a few years. Even if something gets broke, it will be fixable.

What I fear is we may not have free and fair (its a relative phrase, but I mean not interfered by foreign power) election anymore. GOP will remain in power in 2018 and 2020. Trump will ruin all protections for citizens, pack the judiciary with incompetent sycophants and GOP will not have any check on him. Citizen will tune out news media and trump will curtail news media's power while empowering Fox (or some other media) as the state media. By 2024, we would be a authoritarian oligarchic country like Russia, having elections with no power in the hand of people.

My theory is that the GOP has been swaying elections via their Republican owned voting machines for years, and that there is evidence of this on the RNC emails that were hacked. Hence the GOP fealty to Russia.

Very possible..

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I know a lot of this is covered in the Putin Summit thread, but this is really so extraordinary that it deserves its own thread. Trump started out today blaming previous American administrations and the Mueller probe for US - Russia levels being very bad. But, standing next to Putin at their press conference, Trump repeated those charges and more. Trump attacked Democrats and the FBI, he didn't defend the US from repeated outrageous allegations about America from Putin, and failed to challenge Putin on a single issue.

The bottom line is that Trump sided with Putin against his own government and people.

Get your story straight - he didn’t side against his own government, he sided against Democrats. This what he ran on, and he still stands by it. He didn’t side against his people- actually the statement he made is supportive to the people who elected him.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:I know a lot of this is covered in the Putin Summit thread, but this is really so extraordinary that it deserves its own thread. Trump started out today blaming previous American administrations and the Mueller probe for US - Russia levels being very bad. But, standing next to Putin at their press conference, Trump repeated those charges and more. Trump attacked Democrats and the FBI, he didn't defend the US from repeated outrageous allegations about America from Putin, and failed to challenge Putin on a single issue.

The bottom line is that Trump sided with Putin against his own government and people.

Get your story straight - he didn’t side against his own government, he sided against Democrats. This what he ran on, and he still stands by it. He didn’t side against his people- actually the statement he made is supportive to the people who elected him.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think President Trump attacked America. He attacked Mueller, Strozk, Pakistani guy, and FBI investigators who didn't take possession of DNC servers. I don't think we should equate those with America.

I don't like his performance today either. But he will never be your typical politician. He says what's on his mind.

Those are Americans...

Anonymous wrote:I don't think President Trump attacked America. He attacked Mueller, Strozk, Pakistani guy, and FBI investigators who didn't take possession of DNC servers. I don't think we should equate those with America.

I don't like his performance today either. But he will never be your typical politician. He says what's on his mind.

Anonymous wrote:Our President has the highest possible security clearance. God knows what he told Putin. I would be very afraid if I were a staff member of the CIA today--he probably outed some undercover agents.

jsteele wrote:I know a lot of this is covered in the Putin Summit thread, but this is really so extraordinary that it deserves its own thread. Trump started out today blaming previous American administrations and the Mueller probe for US - Russia levels being very bad. But, standing next to Putin at their press conference, Trump repeated those charges and more. Trump attacked Democrats and the FBI, he didn't defend the US from repeated outrageous allegations about America from Putin, and failed to challenge Putin on a single issue.

The bottom line is that Trump sided with Putin against his own government and people.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm conservative and I'm not a fan of this. I do have a serious question though for those of you and truly think you are witnessing the destruction or demise of America: What is it exactly that you fear is being destroyed? Do you really think that all the freedom you enjoy (and always have because nobody has been able to destroy it up to this point) is truly at risk? You'll have a new President in a few years. Even if something gets broke, it will be fixable.

What I fear is we may not have free and fair (its a relative phrase, but I mean not interfered by foreign power) election anymore. GOP will remain in power in 2018 and 2020. Trump will ruin all protections for citizens, pack the judiciary with incompetent sycophants and GOP will not have any check on him. Citizen will tune out news media and trump will curtail news media's power while empowering Fox (or some other media) as the state media. By 2024, we would be a authoritarian oligarchic country like Russia, having elections with no power in the hand of people.

My theory is that the GOP has been swaying elections via their Republican owned voting machines for years, and that there is evidence of this on the RNC emails that were hacked. Hence the GOP fealty to Russia.

Anonymous wrote:I don't think President Trump attacked America. He attacked Mueller, Strozk, Pakistani guy, and FBI investigators who didn't take possession of DNC servers. I don't think we should equate those with America.

I don't like his performance today either. But he will never be your typical politician. He says what's on his mind.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm conservative and I'm not a fan of this. I do have a serious question though for those of you and truly think you are witnessing the destruction or demise of America: What is it exactly that you fear is being destroyed? Do you really think that all the freedom you enjoy (and always have because nobody has been able to destroy it up to this point) is truly at risk? You'll have a new President in a few years. Even if something gets broke, it will be fixable.

I'm a conservative and I too believe this. But Trump has done a surprisingly effective hatchet job on the State Department. I dunno what he'll be able to do in the next year or two.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm conservative and I'm not a fan of this. I do have a serious question though for those of you and truly think you are witnessing the destruction or demise of America: What is it exactly that you fear is being destroyed? Do you really think that all the freedom you enjoy (and always have because nobody has been able to destroy it up to this point) is truly at risk? You'll have a new President in a few years. Even if something gets broke, it will be fixable.

What I fear is we may not have free and fair (its a relative phrase, but I mean not interfered by foreign power) election anymore. GOP will remain in power in 2018 and 2020. Trump will ruin all protections for citizens, pack the judiciary with incompetent sycophants and GOP will not have any check on him. Citizen will tune out news media and trump will curtail news media's power while empowering Fox (or some other media) as the state media. By 2024, we would be a authoritarian oligarchic country like Russia, having elections with no power in the hand of people.

Anonymous wrote:I don't think President Trump attacked America. He attacked Mueller, Strozk, Pakistani guy, and FBI investigators who didn't take possession of DNC servers. I don't think we should equate those with America.

I don't like his performance today either. But he will never be your typical politician. He says what's on his mind.