Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 10:49     Subject: Three Identical Strangers - anyone seen it yet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wish the film had addressed the unbelievable odds of identical triplets occurring naturally.


And of all three being carried to gestation without issues.


According to wikipedia, there was a 4th that died at childbirth - so originally they were quadruplets.

Also - I can't believe that there are other sets of twins that were part of the study that still don't know they have a twin. Horrifying.



Makes you wonder if the birth mother received some sort of fertility treatment that has been covered up?


The triplet's mother became pregnant on prom night, so no fertility treatments.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 10:47     Subject: Three Identical Strangers - anyone seen it yet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wish the film had addressed the unbelievable odds of identical triplets occurring naturally.


And of all three being carried to gestation without issues.


According to wikipedia, there was a 4th that died at childbirth - so originally they were quadruplets.

Also - I can't believe that there are other sets of twins that were part of the study that still don't know they have a twin. Horrifying.



Makes you wonder if the birth mother received some sort of fertility treatment that has been covered up?
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2019 10:35     Subject: Three Identical Strangers - anyone seen it yet?
Anonymous wrote:I grew up knowing one of the families. What the adoption agency / scientists did using the children as lab rats was wrong. For Yale to receive the study papers as a part of the estate of the lead and agree to not let the families have access to the full study is ridiculous.

20 years after WW2 - the Jewish Family Services adoption agency did studies on Jewish children. They separated them from each other to understand more about nature vs nurture. And no law firm would take the case - because they had partners who were using the agency?

Seriously?????


Agree. And the two research assistants interviewed in the film were so untroubled, even today in hindsight. The guy was making jokes about it, and the woman didn’t seem to care about more than her own social position. It was truly bizarre.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2019 13:26     Subject: Three Identical Strangers - anyone seen it yet?
I grew up knowing one of the families. What the adoption agency / scientists did using the children as lab rats was wrong. For Yale to receive the study papers as a part of the estate of the lead and agree to not let the families have access to the full study is ridiculous.

20 years after WW2 - the Jewish Family Services adoption agency did studies on Jewish children. They separated them from each other to understand more about nature vs nurture. And no law firm would take the case - because they had partners who were using the agency?

Seriously?????
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2019 13:15     Subject: Three Identical Strangers - anyone seen it yet?
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Anonymous wrote:This was a fantastic documentary, very well presented. It was a total emotional rollercoaster; my DW cried multiple times.


The whole thing was horrifying but also oddly optimistic. It showed the power of family and love. I think the most prescient quote from the film was: "Nature and nurture are in close competition throughout our lives."

The film asked a lot of big questions about life. Again, it was a fascinating story that was told perfectly.


I'm surprised it wasn't nominated for the best documentary Oscar.


2nd.

My guess is that because it was acquired by CNN and distributed through TV, the Oscars held a bias against it. It didn't go through the normal theatrical distribution channels.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Hollywood types have used the adoption services through Louise Wise and NY Jewish Family Services. The film hinted that the organization is politically VERY powerful and has lots of connections in high places to stymie oversight.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2019 10:41     Subject: Three Identical Strangers - anyone seen it yet?
Anonymous wrote:This was a fantastic documentary, very well presented. It was a total emotional rollercoaster; my DW cried multiple times.


The whole thing was horrifying but also oddly optimistic. It showed the power of family and love. I think the most prescient quote from the film was: "Nature and nurture are in close competition throughout our lives."

The film asked a lot of big questions about life. Again, it was a fascinating story that was told perfectly.


I'm surprised it wasn't nominated for the best documentary Oscar.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2019 10:38     Subject: Three Identical Strangers - anyone seen it yet?
This was a fantastic documentary, very well presented. It was a total emotional rollercoaster; my DW cried multiple times.


The whole thing was horrifying but also oddly optimistic. It showed the power of family and love. I think the most prescient quote from the film was: "Nature and nurture are in close competition throughout our lives."

The film asked a lot of big questions about life. Again, it was a fascinating story that was told perfectly.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2019 10:01     Subject: Three Identical Strangers - anyone seen it yet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wish the film had addressed the unbelievable odds of identical triplets occurring naturally.


And of all three being carried to gestation without issues.


According to wikipedia, there was a 4th that died at childbirth - so originally they were quadruplets.

Also - I can't believe that there are other sets of twins that were part of the study that still don't know they have a twin. Horrifying.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2019 09:57     Subject: Three Identical Strangers - anyone seen it yet?
Anonymous wrote:I wish the film had addressed the unbelievable odds of identical triplets occurring naturally.


And of all three being carried to gestation without issues.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2019 09:56     Subject: Three Identical Strangers - anyone seen it yet?
I wish the film had addressed the unbelievable odds of identical triplets occurring naturally.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2019 09:52     Subject: Three Identical Strangers - anyone seen it yet?
Np
It was pretty clear that the birth mother had issues with mental health. The whole thing was sad but not so sad that I wouldn’t recommend watching it, there were great times too.

It should be illegal to have and withhold knowledge of separated multiples.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2019 09:38     Subject: Three Identical Strangers - anyone seen it yet?
I don’t understand why the doc didn’t address the mother more.
What relationship do the boys have with her now (or had in their adult years)? And they didn’t delve into her much at all.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2019 07:14     Subject: Re:Three Identical Strangers - anyone seen it yet?
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Anonymous wrote:I really don’t understand why Yale and the Jewish Family Services organization can just continue to deny them access to the research findings. Couldn’t they go to court?


At the end of the CNN presentation, it was stated by CNN that they now have access to over 11,000 pages of the study. No formal findings.


Only the two remaining triplets have access and the information is heavily redacted. The public doesn’t have access, the other multiples in the study don’t have access and there still are people who were separated at birth and in the study but were never told and don’t know they are a multiple. The entire thing is just horrific.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2019 06:41     Subject: Re:Three Identical Strangers - anyone seen it yet?
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Look. The point of the story is that nothing the father did would have made any difference. Schizophrenia is on a spectrum. All the brothers are suffering from it to varying degrees. One of the other brothers (still alive) was hospitalized with mental illness. The study was done to see if schizophrenia is genetically predetermined or not.

I think Yale buried the study because sadly the answer is probably yes--and that fact would be too disturbing for the subjects to discover and perhaps society at large as well.


How do you know this? The movie did not say this definitively.


The movie only talks about the three being treated for depression.



There is no evidence any of the triplets were schizophrenic.

And the scientists interviewed only had notes about the project studying differences in parenting techniques and family background.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2019 06:38     Subject: Re:Three Identical Strangers - anyone seen it yet?
Anonymous wrote:I really don’t understand why Yale and the Jewish Family Services organization can just continue to deny them access to the research findings. Couldn’t they go to court?


At the end of the CNN presentation, it was stated by CNN that they now have access to over 11,000 pages of the study. No formal findings.