Anonymous
06/20/2018 19:00
Subject: Re:So Nielson lied to the nation
Anonymous wrote:OK. so this wasn't Trump's law, but it was existing law that they were enforcing, and so Trump signed an EO to no longer enforce the law?
When Nielsen said, "we don't have a policy of separating families" what she meant was that it wasn't a policy that Trump came up with. But that is disingenuous. It may not have been a policy Trump came up with, but it certainly is one that his administration seemed to relish and enforce with "zero tolerance". But it's a good try at spinning.
Here's what happened during the Obama years:
"There were occasionally instances where you would find a separated family — maybe like one every six months to a year — and that was usually because there had been some actual individualized concern that there was a trafficking situation or that the parent wasn’t actually the parent."
Once custody concerns were resolved, "there was pretty immediately reunification," Gilman told NBC News. "There were not 2,000 kids in two months — it’s not the same universe," she added.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-bord...tion-separate-families-n884856
The difference? Obama let them all in: "Catch and release". Anyone with a child--parent or pervert--pretty much had a ticket of admission. This is the problem.
Right.. so you can't use both arguments here.
Obama either did the same thing as Trump's admin did -- separate children, or his policies was one of catch and release.
Obama's admin only separated children they believed were "at risk" as noted above, and certainly, it wasn't 2000 in 2 months. So, Trumpsters and Trump need to stop saying the Obama administration did the same thing.
Anonymous
06/20/2018 19:00
Subject: So Nielson lied to the nation
Anonymous wrote:I'm not really sure why people are taking their time speaking to Trump devotees. They will believe anything. Please use your energy to get your fellow neighbor to vote. We already know what Trumpsters believe. There is no changing their minds. Go register people to vote instead.
Agree. Please ignore the morons aka Trumpsters. Don't waste your time and energy. They are the type of people who followed Jim Jones. They need to just go all the way as Trump/Jones. Koolaid.
Anonymous
06/20/2018 18:37
Subject: Re:So Nielson lied to the nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So, be specific, OP. Exactly WHAT did she say that is a lie. Exact quote, please.
Liberals sometimes have a tendency to make claims that aren’t always, ahem, accurate.
So, to clarify, tell us exactly what she said that was a lie.
https://twitter.com/SecNielsen/status/1008467414235992069
We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period.
Anytime any Trump admin uses "Period." to emphasize, he/she is lying through the teeth!
They don't. That's Federal law. Trump is fixing it temporarily because Congress won't do their job.
There's that amnesia again...
PP is correct. They do not have a policy of separating families at the border.
I agree with pp. They were following the law.
So, if they didn't have a policy of separating families, then why the EO? I'm still confused.
And Sessions also stated that they were "following the law", and it was Biblical to do so to justify this.
So, again, I'm very confused as to whether the Trump administration agrees that this is the law or policy or not.
I don't think the administration understands what their own policies and laws are. Once again.. it's just chaos.
Maybe next we'll get the "he's new at the job and doesn't know what he's doing" defense. Love that one.
Anonymous
06/20/2018 18:25
Subject: So Nielson lied to the nation
I'm not really sure why people are taking their time speaking to Trump devotees. They will believe anything. Please use your energy to get your fellow neighbor to vote. We already know what Trumpsters believe. There is no changing their minds. Go register people to vote instead.
Anonymous
06/20/2018 18:07
Subject: Re:So Nielson lied to the nation
OK. so this wasn't Trump's law, but it was existing law that they were enforcing, and so Trump signed an EO to no longer enforce the law?
When Nielsen said, "we don't have a policy of separating families" what she meant was that it wasn't a policy that Trump came up with. But that is disingenuous. It may not have been a policy Trump came up with, but it certainly is one that his administration seemed to relish and enforce with "zero tolerance". But it's a good try at spinning.
Here's what happened during the Obama years:
"There were occasionally instances where you would find a separated family — maybe like one every six months to a year — and that was usually because there had been some actual individualized concern that there was a trafficking situation or that the parent wasn’t actually the parent."
Once custody concerns were resolved, "there was pretty immediately reunification," Gilman told NBC News. "There were not 2,000 kids in two months — it’s not the same universe," she added.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-bord...tion-separate-families-n884856
The difference? Obama let them all in: "Catch and release". Anyone with a child--parent or pervert--pretty much had a ticket of admission. This is the problem.
Anonymous
06/20/2018 18:04
Subject: Re:So Nielson lied to the nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So, be specific, OP. Exactly WHAT did she say that is a lie. Exact quote, please.
Liberals sometimes have a tendency to make claims that aren’t always, ahem, accurate.
So, to clarify, tell us exactly what she said that was a lie.
https://twitter.com/SecNielsen/status/1008467414235992069
We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period.
Anytime any Trump admin uses "Period." to emphasize, he/she is lying through the teeth!
They don't. That's Federal law. Trump is fixing it temporarily because Congress won't do their job.
There's that amnesia again...
PP is correct. They do not have a policy of separating families at the border.
I agree with pp. They were following the law.
So, if they didn't have a policy of separating families, then why the EO? I'm still confused.
And Sessions also stated that they were "following the law", and it was Biblical to do so to justify this.
So, again, I'm very confused as to whether the Trump administration agrees that this is the law or policy or not.
I don't think the administration understands what their own policies and laws are. Once again.. it's just chaos.
It was NOT Trump's LAW.
OK. so this wasn't Trump's law, but it was existing law that they were enforcing, and so Trump signed an EO to no longer enforce the law?
When Nielsen said, "we don't have a policy of separating families" what she meant was that it wasn't a policy that Trump came up with. But that is disingenuous. It may not have been a policy Trump came up with, but it certainly is one that his administration seemed to relish and enforce with "zero tolerance". But it's a good try at spinning.
Here's what happened during the Obama years:
"There were occasionally instances where you would find a separated family — maybe like one every six months to a year — and that was usually because there had been some actual individualized concern that there was a trafficking situation or that the parent wasn’t actually the parent."
Once custody concerns were resolved, "there was pretty immediately reunification," Gilman told NBC News. "There were not 2,000 kids in two months — it’s not the same universe," she added.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/fact-check-did-obama-administration-separate-families-n884856
Anonymous
06/20/2018 18:03
Subject: So Nielson lied to the nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do y'all remember Obama refusing to sign an EO regarding DACA because it was the job of Congress to do so? That's because Congress is the one to make laws. Even Obama knew the path to get comprehensive immigration reform done is through Congress. What you are seeing here? This outrage? It's because the Trump administration is no longer practicing catch and release, i.e. they are enforcing the immigration laws on the books.
This is inaccurate. But it certainly sounds nice when you write it like that.
But you won't tell me WHY it's inaccurate. Did Obama practice catch and release? Yes or no? Was he enforcing our country's immigration laws? Yes or no?
Yes, he was enforcing our laws. Yes, catch and release is enforcement, just not how you want it. You prefer forcible separation of children from mothers, placing children in detainment camps.
Anonymous
06/20/2018 17:58
Subject: So Nielson lied to the nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do y'all remember Obama refusing to sign an EO regarding DACA because it was the job of Congress to do so? That's because Congress is the one to make laws. Even Obama knew the path to get comprehensive immigration reform done is through Congress. What you are seeing here? This outrage? It's because the Trump administration is no longer practicing catch and release, i.e. they are enforcing the immigration laws on the books.
This is inaccurate. But it certainly sounds nice when you write it like that.
But you won't tell me WHY it's inaccurate. Did Obama practice catch and release? Yes or no? Was he enforcing our country's immigration laws? Yes or no?
Anonymous
06/20/2018 17:57
Subject: Re:So Nielson lied to the nation
The people digging their heels in about the non-existence of an explicit separation policy are absurd. Neilsen deliberately misled the public to justify TWO unprecedented practices - 100% criminal prosecution of illegal entries, and the subsequent cruel separation of children from their parents.
Anonymous
06/20/2018 17:57
Subject: Re:So Nielson lied to the nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So, be specific, OP. Exactly WHAT did she say that is a lie. Exact quote, please.
Liberals sometimes have a tendency to make claims that aren’t always, ahem, accurate.
So, to clarify, tell us exactly what she said that was a lie.
https://twitter.com/SecNielsen/status/1008467414235992069
We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period.
Anytime any Trump admin uses "Period." to emphasize, he/she is lying through the teeth!
They don't. That's Federal law. Trump is fixing it temporarily because Congress won't do their job.
Oh yes they do. They even call it “Zero tolerance policy.” Note the word “policy.” Where on earth are you getting your “facts.”
Yes, they do call it that. It's called actually enforcing the law, not practicing catch and release. Those ARE the facts.
Child detainment camps are just an unintended side effect. Oopsie.
What was the excuse for same during the Obama years?
Go talk to Nielsen. She's on the same page as you.
No real answer.
Anonymous
06/20/2018 17:56
Subject: Re:So Nielson lied to the nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So, be specific, OP. Exactly WHAT did she say that is a lie. Exact quote, please.
Liberals sometimes have a tendency to make claims that aren’t always, ahem, accurate.
So, to clarify, tell us exactly what she said that was a lie.
https://twitter.com/SecNielsen/status/1008467414235992069
We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period.
Anytime any Trump admin uses "Period." to emphasize, he/she is lying through the teeth!
They don't. That's Federal law. Trump is fixing it temporarily because Congress won't do their job.
Oh yes they do. They even call it “Zero tolerance policy.” Note the word “policy.” Where on earth are you getting your “facts.”
Yes, they do call it that. It's called actually enforcing the law, not practicing catch and release. Those ARE the facts.
Child detainment camps are just an unintended side effect. Oopsie.
What was the excuse for same during the Obama years?
Obama had a bunch of minors dropped into the immigration system unexpectedly. They handled it badly but they didn't intentionally inflict harm on kids, it's difficult for a bureaucracy to take on thousands of kids.
Unexpectedly? Really? Is he so stupid that he didn't know what the repercussions of his DACA policies would bring?
So it's ok to cage kids if it's not on purpose? To lose them in the system? To have the held by traffickers? Did he do anything to stop it? Nope.
Anonymous
06/20/2018 17:54
Subject: Re:So Nielson lied to the nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So, be specific, OP. Exactly WHAT did she say that is a lie. Exact quote, please.
Liberals sometimes have a tendency to make claims that aren’t always, ahem, accurate.
So, to clarify, tell us exactly what she said that was a lie.
https://twitter.com/SecNielsen/status/1008467414235992069
We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period.
Anytime any Trump admin uses "Period." to emphasize, he/she is lying through the teeth!
They don't. That's Federal law. Trump is fixing it temporarily because Congress won't do their job.
Oh yes they do. They even call it “Zero tolerance policy.” Note the word “policy.” Where on earth are you getting your “facts.”
Yes, they do call it that. It's called actually enforcing the law, not practicing catch and release. Those ARE the facts.
Child detainment camps are just an unintended side effect. Oopsie.
What was the excuse for same during the Obama years?
Obama had a bunch of minors dropped into the immigration system unexpectedly. They handled it badly but they didn't intentionally inflict harm on kids, it's difficult for a bureaucracy to take on thousands of kids.
Anonymous
06/20/2018 17:49
Subject: Re:So Nielson lied to the nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So, be specific, OP. Exactly WHAT did she say that is a lie. Exact quote, please.
Liberals sometimes have a tendency to make claims that aren’t always, ahem, accurate.
So, to clarify, tell us exactly what she said that was a lie.
https://twitter.com/SecNielsen/status/1008467414235992069
We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period.
Anytime any Trump admin uses "Period." to emphasize, he/she is lying through the teeth!
They don't. That's Federal law. Trump is fixing it temporarily because Congress won't do their job.
Oh yes they do. They even call it “Zero tolerance policy.” Note the word “policy.” Where on earth are you getting your “facts.”
Yes, they do call it that. It's called actually enforcing the law, not practicing catch and release. Those ARE the facts.
Child detainment camps are just an unintended side effect. Oopsie.
What was the excuse for same during the Obama years?
Go talk to Nielsen. She's on the same page as you.
Anonymous
06/20/2018 17:48
Subject: So Nielson lied to the nation
Anonymous wrote:Do y'all remember Obama refusing to sign an EO regarding DACA because it was the job of Congress to do so? That's because Congress is the one to make laws. Even Obama knew the path to get comprehensive immigration reform done is through Congress. What you are seeing here? This outrage? It's because the Trump administration is no longer practicing catch and release, i.e. they are enforcing the immigration laws on the books.
This is inaccurate. But it certainly sounds nice when you write it like that.
Anonymous
06/20/2018 17:46
Subject: Re:So Nielson lied to the nation
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So, be specific, OP. Exactly WHAT did she say that is a lie. Exact quote, please.
Liberals sometimes have a tendency to make claims that aren’t always, ahem, accurate.
So, to clarify, tell us exactly what she said that was a lie.
https://twitter.com/SecNielsen/status/1008467414235992069
We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period.
Anytime any Trump admin uses "Period." to emphasize, he/she is lying through the teeth!
They don't. That's Federal law. Trump is fixing it temporarily because Congress won't do their job.
Oh yes they do. They even call it “Zero tolerance policy.” Note the word “policy.” Where on earth are you getting your “facts.”
Yes, they do call it that. It's called actually enforcing the law, not practicing catch and release. Those ARE the facts.
Child detainment camps are just an unintended side effect. Oopsie.
What was the excuse for same during the Obama years?