Anonymous wrote:#4 for 1st grade OOB. Crossing my fingers!

I would not count in it. The K class was really large this year - 25 students per class. This is much larger than MOST K classes across the city.

#4 for 1st grade OOB. Crossing my fingers!

At-risk set asides haven't been implemented in any DCPS or DC charter school.

The MSDC staff ran an experiment to see what an at-risk preference would do to lottery results. The report is here http://www.myschooldc.org/sites/default/files/dc/sites/myschooldc/page/MSDC%20At-Risk%20Preference%20in%20a%20Unified%20Lottery%204.26.2018_Final.pdf

The abstract is pasted below (full study is 27 pages)

A unified lottery for traditional and public charter schools in Washington, DC serves over 20,000
applicants per year, and can be used as a tool to improve lottery outcomes for applicants that are
at-risk of academic failure. The City Council of the District of Columbia defined a group of students
as “at-risk” in 2014.

The utility of the lottery preference for at-risk students to diversify school populations is limited because the lottery only places new students, and the impact can increase
or decrease with corresponding policy decisions. Seats available at high-performing schools are a
finite resource and those schools typically fill in the unified lottery. Giving an advantage to one
group disadvantages another group’s lottery results at these schools. The strongest preference
contemplated in this analysis, giving at-risk students the top priority out of all applicant groups
including siblings, would improve lottery outcomes for 8.2% of the 7,432 applicants identified as
at-risk. As the preference weakens, a smaller percentage of at-risk applicants will have improved
lottery outcomes. Overall outcomes will depend on the strength of the preference and a local
education agency’s decision-making to give a preference that will displace other applicants
without that advantage.

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Anonymous wrote: I don't think that many families from the poorer parts of DC have the means (i.e. time, energy, money, band-width) to trek up to AU Park twice daily.
Being able to commute for a better school is a luxury that many in DC sadly don't have.
Janney tends to get OOB families who either have super involved parents or some cases, nannies who make the trip twice a day. It's a major hike for most of the city.

These families self select by ranking Janney and/or taking spots when they're given.

You might be right but you could just as easily be wrong - lots of low income families do in fact schlep all over town now, often for lower performing charters some of which are equally out of the way.

And because of it's proximity to Metro and a slew of bus routes Janney is relatively easy to get to. So until someone tells me otherwise I'm going to assume DCPS has not factored lower performing schools into the lottery placement yet.

They definitely haven't made any created any "at risk" set asides at Janney yet.

And I do think that Janney's location in far-flung NW (even though it's on the Metro) precludes a TON of at-risk families from even applying. In fact, a ton of at-risk families aren't applying to any out of boundary schools. Their kids attend their local elementary if they'e lucky. I work as a home-health RN and am in and out of houses across NE and SE daily. Parents there love their kids as much as any but there is a huge segment of society in DC that is incapable of commuting an hour (round trip) twice a day to get their kids to a better school. That is so out of the realm of their reality, it would be like suggesting they school their kids in Paris. When your life consists of any of the following--(obviously not all shared by the same family): shift work, multiple jobs, homelessness, drug use, health problems, parenting multiple kids, poverty--you're not Metroing up and back to AU Park twice a day for better reading instruction for your second grader. Even the "poor" who use attend the better charters or occasionally the JKLM schools are the most functional of the poor.

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Anonymous wrote: I don't think that many families from the poorer parts of DC have the means (i.e. time, energy, money, band-width) to trek up to AU Park twice daily.
Being able to commute for a better school is a luxury that many in DC sadly don't have.
Janney tends to get OOB families who either have super involved parents or some cases, nannies who make the trip twice a day. It's a major hike for most of the city.

These families self select by ranking Janney and/or taking spots when they're given.

You might be right but you could just as easily be wrong - lots of low income families do in fact schlep all over town now, often for lower performing charters some of which are equally out of the way.

And because of it's proximity to Metro and a slew of bus routes Janney is relatively easy to get to. So until someone tells me otherwise I'm going to assume DCPS has not factored lower performing schools into the lottery placement yet.

Of course not, and they shouldn't, for the reasons spelled out above. If there is any preference, it should be an at-risk preference that assesses an individual families need, and makes sure that UMC families living IB for low-performing schools cannot take advantage.

Well we agree on what the preference should be but that is not the policy that DCPS announced 3 years ago. So it doesn't matter what they should or should not do - the question is whether or not students attempting to lottery in OOB to Janney (or other in demand schools) who apply from under performing school districts are getting preferential weighting on the waitlist?

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Anonymous wrote: I don't think that many families from the poorer parts of DC have the means (i.e. time, energy, money, band-width) to trek up to AU Park twice daily.
Being able to commute for a better school is a luxury that many in DC sadly don't have.
Janney tends to get OOB families who either have super involved parents or some cases, nannies who make the trip twice a day. It's a major hike for most of the city.

These families self select by ranking Janney and/or taking spots when they're given.

You might be right but you could just as easily be wrong - lots of low income families do in fact schlep all over town now, often for lower performing charters some of which are equally out of the way.

And because of it's proximity to Metro and a slew of bus routes Janney is relatively easy to get to. So until someone tells me otherwise I'm going to assume DCPS has not factored lower performing schools into the lottery placement yet.

Of course not, and they shouldn't, for the reasons spelled out above. If there is any preference, it should be an at-risk preference that assesses an individual families need, and makes sure that UMC families living IB for low-performing schools cannot take advantage.

Anonymous wrote: I don't think that many families from the poorer parts of DC have the means (i.e. time, energy, money, band-width) to trek up to AU Park twice daily.
Being able to commute for a better school is a luxury that many in DC sadly don't have.
Janney tends to get OOB families who either have super involved parents or some cases, nannies who make the trip twice a day. It's a major hike for most of the city.

These families self select by ranking Janney and/or taking spots when they're given.

You might be right but you could just as easily be wrong - lots of low income families do in fact schlep all over town now, often for lower performing charters some of which are equally out of the way.

And because of it's proximity to Metro and a slew of bus routes Janney is relatively easy to get to. So until someone tells me otherwise I'm going to assume DCPS has not factored lower performing schools into the lottery placement yet.

I don't think that many families from the poorer parts of DC have the means (i.e. time, energy, money, band-width) to trek up to AU Park twice daily.
Being able to commute for a better school is a luxury that many in DC sadly don't have.
Janney tends to get OOB families who either have super involved parents or some cases, nannies who make the trip twice a day. It's a major hike for most of the city.

These families self select by ranking Janney and/or taking spots when they're given.

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Anonymous wrote:What the heck ever happened with kids from low performing schools getting preference on the waitlists?Curious if the people posting on here claiming to be at the top of the list are applying from low performing schools?

I went through the Janney directory this year and almost none of the OOB kids this year are from poorer parts of DC - if we are going to have a jam packed school it ought to be to further some broader goals instead of enabling upper middle class parents to save on their mortgages.

Not sure that has ever been a thing.

It was definitely the announced policy 3 years ago and should be the policy IMHO - crazy to cram more upper middle class kids in Janney when there are lower income kids who would more benefit from the access.

I agree but it is nowhere in the lottery process nor in the lottery acceptance/waitlist data.

Doesn't have to be - the system knows what your in-bound by right schools are and could weight your application thusly.

There are plenty of UMC kids in lower grades at low-performing schools looking to get out, so a school origin preference wouldn't accomplish what you want it to.

Agreed on this - the metric they came up with was not perfect and they should be seeking low income kids from low performing schools.

Having said that there are very few OOB kids at Janney from low performing school districts though since this thread purports to have uncovered the top 3 people on the 2nd grade WL perhaps they can all fill us in on where they live?

Logan Circle. In bound for Garrison but do not attend there.

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Anonymous wrote:What the heck ever happened with kids from low performing schools getting preference on the waitlists?Curious if the people posting on here claiming to be at the top of the list are applying from low performing schools?

I went through the Janney directory this year and almost none of the OOB kids this year are from poorer parts of DC - if we are going to have a jam packed school it ought to be to further some broader goals instead of enabling upper middle class parents to save on their mortgages.

Not sure that has ever been a thing.

It was definitely the announced policy 3 years ago and should be the policy IMHO - crazy to cram more upper middle class kids in Janney when there are lower income kids who would more benefit from the access.

I agree but it is nowhere in the lottery process nor in the lottery acceptance/waitlist data.

Doesn't have to be - the system knows what your in-bound by right schools are and could weight your application thusly.

There are plenty of UMC kids in lower grades at low-performing schools looking to get out, so a school origin preference wouldn't accomplish what you want it to.

Agreed on this - the metric they came up with was not perfect and they should be seeking low income kids from low performing schools.

Having said that there are very few OOB kids at Janney from low performing school districts though since this thread purports to have uncovered the top 3 people on the 2nd grade WL perhaps they can all fill us in on where they live?

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Anonymous wrote:What the heck ever happened with kids from low performing schools getting preference on the waitlists?Curious if the people posting on here claiming to be at the top of the list are applying from low performing schools?

I went through the Janney directory this year and almost none of the OOB kids this year are from poorer parts of DC - if we are going to have a jam packed school it ought to be to further some broader goals instead of enabling upper middle class parents to save on their mortgages.

Not sure that has ever been a thing.

It was definitely the announced policy 3 years ago and should be the policy IMHO - crazy to cram more upper middle class kids in Janney when there are lower income kids who would more benefit from the access.

I agree but it is nowhere in the lottery process nor in the lottery acceptance/waitlist data.

Doesn't have to be - the system knows what your in-bound by right schools are and could weight your application thusly.

Yes it could but that would only be an indicator of need based on in boundary school and not need based on individual need. We are in boundary for a failing school but lotteried into an upper NW school for PK a few years ago and have now been accepted to another upper NW school through the lottery for a higher grade.

*The point is we didn't really need the current placement but we "won".

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Anonymous wrote:What the heck ever happened with kids from low performing schools getting preference on the waitlists?Curious if the people posting on here claiming to be at the top of the list are applying from low performing schools?

I went through the Janney directory this year and almost none of the OOB kids this year are from poorer parts of DC - if we are going to have a jam packed school it ought to be to further some broader goals instead of enabling upper middle class parents to save on their mortgages.

Not sure that has ever been a thing.

It was definitely the announced policy 3 years ago and should be the policy IMHO - crazy to cram more upper middle class kids in Janney when there are lower income kids who would more benefit from the access.

I agree but it is nowhere in the lottery process nor in the lottery acceptance/waitlist data.

Doesn't have to be - the system knows what your in-bound by right schools are and could weight your application thusly.

Yes it could but that would only be an indicator of need based on in boundary school and not need based on individual need. We are in boundary for a failing school but lotteried into an upper NW school for PK a few years ago and have now been accepted to another upper NW school through the lottery for a higher grade.

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Anonymous wrote:What the heck ever happened with kids from low performing schools getting preference on the waitlists?Curious if the people posting on here claiming to be at the top of the list are applying from low performing schools?

I went through the Janney directory this year and almost none of the OOB kids this year are from poorer parts of DC - if we are going to have a jam packed school it ought to be to further some broader goals instead of enabling upper middle class parents to save on their mortgages.

Not sure that has ever been a thing.

It was definitely the announced policy 3 years ago and should be the policy IMHO - crazy to cram more upper middle class kids in Janney when there are lower income kids who would more benefit from the access.

I agree but it is nowhere in the lottery process nor in the lottery acceptance/waitlist data.

Doesn't have to be - the system knows what your in-bound by right schools are and could weight your application thusly.

There are plenty of UMC kids in lower grades at low-performing schools looking to get out, so a school origin preference wouldn't accomplish what you want it to.

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Anonymous wrote:What the heck ever happened with kids from low performing schools getting preference on the waitlists?Curious if the people posting on here claiming to be at the top of the list are applying from low performing schools?

I went through the Janney directory this year and almost none of the OOB kids this year are from poorer parts of DC - if we are going to have a jam packed school it ought to be to further some broader goals instead of enabling upper middle class parents to save on their mortgages.

Not sure that has ever been a thing.

It was definitely the announced policy 3 years ago and should be the policy IMHO - crazy to cram more upper middle class kids in Janney when there are lower income kids who would more benefit from the access.

I agree but it is nowhere in the lottery process nor in the lottery acceptance/waitlist data.

Doesn't have to be - the system knows what your in-bound by right schools are and could weight your application thusly.

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Anonymous wrote:What the heck ever happened with kids from low performing schools getting preference on the waitlists?Curious if the people posting on here claiming to be at the top of the list are applying from low performing schools?

I went through the Janney directory this year and almost none of the OOB kids this year are from poorer parts of DC - if we are going to have a jam packed school it ought to be to further some broader goals instead of enabling upper middle class parents to save on their mortgages.

Not sure that has ever been a thing.

It was definitely the announced policy 3 years ago and should be the policy IMHO - crazy to cram more upper middle class kids in Janney when there are lower income kids who would more benefit from the access.

I agree but it is nowhere in the lottery process nor in the lottery acceptance/waitlist data.