What's the tiers?
Etc then classic then select then travel??

Hope your son's team is not in MSI. I would question the ethics of that coach and the parents that allow it. You didn't say equal playing time. It's also about being in a position to score and play different positions. When travel players are on rec teams they often dominate attacking and it really hurts the experience of the rec players.

No, not MSI, and yes, to me, it seems equal playing time. The rec coach also does a good job of ensuring that there is a mix of playing levels when rotating kids in. I am pretty satisfied with the experience. From what I know, the travel players are on the lower 2 of our county's five levels of travel teams, so that may be part of why it works.

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There are absolutely benefits for the double-rostered kid, for the reason you mentioned. And it can work out fine for the rec teammates and opposing teams if they are fairly competitive/ambitious. It's just not as fun for the opponent if they are not so serious, so I understand why MSI has the rule. You don't want young kids turned off of the sport after frustrating blowouts.

I have one very serious player who thrived in travel soccer but missed the relaxed rec experience with his school and neighborhood friends and wanted to do both. We live in Bethesda, but realized we could put a whole team in DC Stodert rec. Since the friend group had several good travel players, we asked to play in an older age group. It was an absolute blast, but almost all of the games were lopsided. We asked if we could have them play 2 years up to make it more even, but that was against the rules.

I'd love to see MSI rec get rid of the travel player ban for HS aged kids. If you are still playing rec at that age, you truly love the sport and in most cases are happy taking on teams of all levels. It's nice for kids to have the opportunity to spend time playing sports with friends before they leave for college.

Good post.

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Anonymous wrote:MSI classic allows it. My DS did it and I know plenty who do it. MSI Classic and Sam Select allow it.

MSI absolutely does not allow kids to play MSI Classic and Sam Select at the same time. You also can't play MSI Classic and MSI Rec. They are very clear about this. I don't know whether you can do Sam Select and Sam Rec.

Not sure where you are getting your information. At U13 and above (and I think they just lowered it to U12), MSI Classic does allow a small number of players to be double-rostered to both an MSI classic team and travel team. There is no MSI Rec program once you hit age 13. Everybody is playing "Classic".

You can play MSI rec all through HS. Many kids do.

Yes, PP is right and previous PP is wrong. The MSI Rec program gets smaller but still exists in MS and HS.

Hope your son's team is not in MSI. I would question the ethics of that coach and the parents that allow it. You didn't say equal playing time. It's also about being in a position to score and play different positions. When travel players are on rec teams they often dominate attacking and it really hurts the experience of the rec players.
My child plays travel and she would love to play on rec with her friends at the same time. I bet the coach would look the other way but I would feel pretty yucky about it.

For younger team, yes. For u8-u10 I have seen it multiple times that a single good player dominates the game.

I would say it depends on the team, the coach, and the players. My son's U10 rec team has three travel players on it (not DS). But the coach is good and ensures that all of the kids get playing time, plus the purely rec members of the team are relatively strong players. It really works out fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Lets just say for the sake of the conversation that it is allowed. Is it a good idea and are there any added benefits to getting more playing time in a less intense format?

There are absolutely benefits for the double-rostered kid, for the reason you mentioned. And it can work out fine for the rec teammates and opposing teams if they are fairly competitive/ambitious. It's just not as fun for the opponent if they are not so serious, so I understand why MSI has the rule. You don't want young kids turned off of the sport after frustrating blowouts.

I have one very serious player who thrived in travel soccer but missed the relaxed rec experience with his school and neighborhood friends and wanted to do both. We live in Bethesda, but realized we could put a whole team in DC Stodert rec. Since the friend group had several good travel players, we asked to play in an older age group. It was an absolute blast, but almost all of the games were lopsided. We asked if we could have them play 2 years up to make it more even, but that was against the rules.

I'd love to see MSI rec get rid of the travel player ban for HS aged kids. If you are still playing rec at that age, you truly love the sport and in most cases are happy taking on teams of all levels. It's nice for kids to have the opportunity to spend time playing sports with friends before they leave for college.

Curious if folks think that one travel player can make that much of a difference? I have a u13 DS and his team is highly competitive where I personally think some players are at the travel level but choose to play rec

For younger team, yes. For u8-u10 I have seen it multiple times that a single good player dominates the game.

The focus of PPs seems to be on whether MSI Classic allows this, but I think the bigger issue is the position of the travel club. I know my travel club's rules absolutely do not allow players to play for Classic, and I highly doubt other travel clubs allow it. (Nevertheless, I know players who play for DS' club and on a classic team so it is certainly done.)

U13

The higher level team is the priority. The lower level team usually has a cap on the number of dual carded players on the team so the team needs to have an opening for a dual carded player. MSI will allow you to be dual carded on a travel team and a classic team starting at a certain age.

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Anonymous wrote:MSI classic allows it. My DS did it and I know plenty who do it. MSI Classic and Sam Select allow it.

MSI absolutely does not allow kids to play MSI Classic and Sam Select at the same time. You also can't play MSI Classic and MSI Rec. They are very clear about this. I don't know whether you can do Sam Select and Sam Rec.

Not sure where you are getting your information. At U13 and above (and I think they just lowered it to U12), MSI Classic does allow a small number of players to be double-rostered to both an MSI classic team and travel team. There is no MSI Rec program once you hit age 13. Everybody is playing "Classic".

It's obvious this is about younger kids given the reference to MSI Rec.

The MSI Rec manual says, "Classic players may not play on Recreational teams."
"A player may not play concurrently on both a Recreational team and any select team in any league (where players are carded by US Club Soccer, the Maryland State Youth Soccer Association (MSYSA), or the Virginia Youth Soccer Association (VYSA)."
"No player carded by MSYSA, US Club Soccer, or VYSA in any league may play on a MSI Recreational team during the same season."
"Players who are carded to Classic, Premier, Challenge, or any other carded team in another league, may not play concurrently on a Recreational team."

The MSI Classic manual says, "No players carded to Classic may be registered in the MSI Recreational Program."
"Classic players may not play on Recreational teams, and they may only play on one Classic team per season in age groups U10-U12. Players on U13 teams and older may ‘double card’ i.e. play on 2 Classic teams only if the 2 teams are in different age groups."

SAM manual says, "Players possessing a player card for playing in a travel league (MSYSA, US Club Soccer, MSI Classic, MSI Travel
or SAM SELECT) are considered travel players and are not permitted to play on SAM recreational teams."
"Teams using carded players not meeting the criteria listed above will forfeit all games in which that player
participated. Additionally, carded players will be removed from the roster.
Any coach/team playing unregistered/illegal players may be asked to forfeit the game, be deducted points or asked
to leave the league.
Coaches who knowingly allow carded players to participate may face additional sanctions."

Mine plays travel and on the HS team. He's decided he won't play on the HS team next season as the caliber wasn't that great and his coach isn't very experienced. His coach has only coached HS soccer for 2 years and then little league before that.

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Anonymous wrote:Lets just say for the sake of the conversation that it is allowed. Is it a good idea and are there any added benefits to getting more playing time in a less intense format?

There are absolutely benefits for the double-rostered kid, for the reason you mentioned. And it can work out fine for the rec teammates and opposing teams if they are fairly competitive/ambitious. It's just not as fun for the opponent if they are not so serious, so I understand why MSI has the rule. You don't want young kids turned off of the sport after frustrating blowouts.

I have one very serious player who thrived in travel soccer but missed the relaxed rec experience with his school and neighborhood friends and wanted to do both. We live in Bethesda, but realized we could put a whole team in DC Stodert rec. Since the friend group had several good travel players, we asked to play in an older age group. It was an absolute blast, but almost all of the games were lopsided. We asked if we could have them play 2 years up to make it more even, but that was against the rules.

I'd love to see MSI rec get rid of the travel player ban for HS aged kids. If you are still playing rec at that age, you truly love the sport and in most cases are happy taking on teams of all levels. It's nice for kids to have the opportunity to spend time playing sports with friends before they leave for college.

Curious if folks think that one travel player can make that much of a difference? I have a u13 DS and his team is highly competitive where I personally think some players are at the travel level but choose to play rec