Anonymous
10/09/2018 14:06
Subject: Soccer-At what point is it ok to switch clubs?
I think you have to do what is best for your kid. You are the only one who cares about your kid and if it best to move mid-year- do it.
Anonymous
10/09/2018 12:11
Subject: Soccer-At what point is it ok to switch clubs?
PP here. I meant that we wouldn't ever consider leaving in the middle of the year. Next year is fair game.
Anonymous
10/09/2018 12:11
Subject: Soccer-At what point is it ok to switch clubs?
Our son is the best player on his team and we are hoping he will move up to the top team this year but we wouldn't leave because we love, love, love the coach so much. He's the real deal: smart, kind, encouraging, and strategic. He's literally an eagle scout and encourages the boys to be good citizens, good sports, as well as good players. However, if our son doesn't move up this year, we would still consider switching clubs because, soccerwise, it's not doing him any favors playing with kids slower than him with less skills.
Anonymous
10/09/2018 06:59
Subject: Soccer-At what point is it ok to switch clubs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sucks that my kids experience on a team is so dependent on the whims of the coach and other players. Is there a club that maintains a constant experience across all their teams? Coaches all follow the same consistent pattern so if the coach leaves the new one maintains the same approach? Also the system is same from team to team within the club? System doesn’t change based on players but rather players adapt to the system? Which clubs operate like this?
This is the bryc model.
Ha!!! Maybe bryc 6-8 years ago. at least on the boys side. Maybe the new u9 coaches work that way together but from u11 up its a joke.
This is the girls model.
Is there an objective fresh look at the girls over the period of this “system”? Is it more of the same year after year? Does the system allow for a reset or is mostly like the bethesda comment where an outsider has an advantage over promotion?
Anonymous
10/08/2018 21:39
Subject: Soccer-At what point is it ok to switch clubs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sucks that my kids experience on a team is so dependent on the whims of the coach and other players. Is there a club that maintains a constant experience across all their teams? Coaches all follow the same consistent pattern so if the coach leaves the new one maintains the same approach? Also the system is same from team to team within the club? System doesn’t change based on players but rather players adapt to the system? Which clubs operate like this?
LOL these clubs are all made up of ex players and coach rising to their level of incompetence. It the Peter principle in action. The only better example is athlete directors at colleges.
Their level of incompetence; so true. Besides, clubs aren't loyal. They will readily pick up a player mid-season and bench another long time member of the team, if it suited them. Seen it happen. So why maintain a one directional loyalty? Ask yourself. Would your club cut your child? If the answer is yes, don't be afraid to cut the club. Travel soccer is pretty expensive anyways.
Actually I would prefer a club not pick up my child as a player, rather than either have my DC not be at the right level for the level of play or not be viewed as a good enough player to see a decent amount of time. The initial heartbreak of not making the team is better than the year long slow bleed of being the bottom player.
I agree.
I would also love to know if any club would actually honestly turn away a player who wasn't a good fit for any team in the club? Like OP, I've had a kid that was on the bubble for the A team, but was assigned to a B team largely made up of soccer newbies. For a competitive kid, that situation is not a good fit. It is all well and good to say work hard and play your way back onto the A team, but it is hard to learn and play the right way if the team is far below the player's level, no matter how hard a kid works. This is particularly as the kid gets older. The "play your way back to the A team" situation really only works if someone leaves the A team for another club or the club trains as a full age group. With coach specific training, there isn't going to be much movement between teams unless a really big fast kid who slipped through the cracks at tryouts gets spotted and claimed by the A team coach. In practice, I haven't seen many B or C team coaches advocating for their strongest players to get opportunities with the A team.
In my 10-year experience with my kids, they fill open A team spots most often with players new to the Club. They don't bother to promote kids from lower teams. It's easier this way and they don't have to deal with all the parents questioning why Jimmy got moved up over Timmy, etc. If a new kid shows up on equal par with a B team player and there's a spot for one on A---it goes to the new kids. They also like to attract and keep kids from other Clubs.
That's certainly the Bethesda model.
Not for boys. They are happy to take new players, but they also promote players from lower teams each year. Their DA program has a lot of kids who have been there since they were U9 or U10.
Anonymous
10/08/2018 21:26
Subject: Soccer-At what point is it ok to switch clubs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sucks that my kids experience on a team is so dependent on the whims of the coach and other players. Is there a club that maintains a constant experience across all their teams? Coaches all follow the same consistent pattern so if the coach leaves the new one maintains the same approach? Also the system is same from team to team within the club? System doesn’t change based on players but rather players adapt to the system? Which clubs operate like this?
LOL these clubs are all made up of ex players and coach rising to their level of incompetence. It the Peter principle in action. The only better example is athlete directors at colleges.
Their level of incompetence; so true. Besides, clubs aren't loyal. They will readily pick up a player mid-season and bench another long time member of the team, if it suited them. Seen it happen. So why maintain a one directional loyalty? Ask yourself. Would your club cut your child? If the answer is yes, don't be afraid to cut the club. Travel soccer is pretty expensive anyways.
Actually I would prefer a club not pick up my child as a player, rather than either have my DC not be at the right level for the level of play or not be viewed as a good enough player to see a decent amount of time. The initial heartbreak of not making the team is better than the year long slow bleed of being the bottom player.
I agree.
I would also love to know if any club would actually honestly turn away a player who wasn't a good fit for any team in the club? Like OP, I've had a kid that was on the bubble for the A team, but was assigned to a B team largely made up of soccer newbies. For a competitive kid, that situation is not a good fit. It is all well and good to say work hard and play your way back onto the A team, but it is hard to learn and play the right way if the team is far below the player's level, no matter how hard a kid works. This is particularly as the kid gets older. The "play your way back to the A team" situation really only works if someone leaves the A team for another club or the club trains as a full age group. With coach specific training, there isn't going to be much movement between teams unless a really big fast kid who slipped through the cracks at tryouts gets spotted and claimed by the A team coach. In practice, I haven't seen many B or C team coaches advocating for their strongest players to get opportunities with the A team.
In my 10-year experience with my kids, they fill open A team spots most often with players new to the Club. They don't bother to promote kids from lower teams. It's easier this way and they don't have to deal with all the parents questioning why Jimmy got moved up over Timmy, etc. If a new kid shows up on equal par with a B team player and there's a spot for one on A---it goes to the new kids. They also like to attract and keep kids from other Clubs.
That's certainly the Bethesda model.
So what do you have to do? Leave to make an A team? That's unfortunate that a club has no relegation and promotion within its own ranks.
Anonymous
10/08/2018 18:09
Subject: Soccer-At what point is it ok to switch clubs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sucks that my kids experience on a team is so dependent on the whims of the coach and other players. Is there a club that maintains a constant experience across all their teams? Coaches all follow the same consistent pattern so if the coach leaves the new one maintains the same approach? Also the system is same from team to team within the club? System doesn’t change based on players but rather players adapt to the system? Which clubs operate like this?
LOL these clubs are all made up of ex players and coach rising to their level of incompetence. It the Peter principle in action. The only better example is athlete directors at colleges.
Their level of incompetence; so true. Besides, clubs aren't loyal. They will readily pick up a player mid-season and bench another long time member of the team, if it suited them. Seen it happen. So why maintain a one directional loyalty? Ask yourself. Would your club cut your child? If the answer is yes, don't be afraid to cut the club. Travel soccer is pretty expensive anyways.
Actually I would prefer a club not pick up my child as a player, rather than either have my DC not be at the right level for the level of play or not be viewed as a good enough player to see a decent amount of time. The initial heartbreak of not making the team is better than the year long slow bleed of being the bottom player.
I agree.
I would also love to know if any club would actually honestly turn away a player who wasn't a good fit for any team in the club? Like OP, I've had a kid that was on the bubble for the A team, but was assigned to a B team largely made up of soccer newbies. For a competitive kid, that situation is not a good fit. It is all well and good to say work hard and play your way back onto the A team, but it is hard to learn and play the right way if the team is far below the player's level, no matter how hard a kid works. This is particularly as the kid gets older. The "play your way back to the A team" situation really only works if someone leaves the A team for another club or the club trains as a full age group. With coach specific training, there isn't going to be much movement between teams unless a really big fast kid who slipped through the cracks at tryouts gets spotted and claimed by the A team coach. In practice, I haven't seen many B or C team coaches advocating for their strongest players to get opportunities with the A team.
In my 10-year experience with my kids, they fill open A team spots most often with players new to the Club. They don't bother to promote kids from lower teams. It's easier this way and they don't have to deal with all the parents questioning why Jimmy got moved up over Timmy, etc. If a new kid shows up on equal par with a B team player and there's a spot for one on A---it goes to the new kids. They also like to attract and keep kids from other Clubs.
That's certainly the Bethesda model.
Anonymous
10/08/2018 14:24
Subject: Soccer-At what point is it ok to switch clubs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sucks that my kids experience on a team is so dependent on the whims of the coach and other players. Is there a club that maintains a constant experience across all their teams? Coaches all follow the same consistent pattern so if the coach leaves the new one maintains the same approach? Also the system is same from team to team within the club? System doesn’t change based on players but rather players adapt to the system? Which clubs operate like this?
This is the bryc model.
Ha!!! Maybe bryc 6-8 years ago. at least on the boys side. Maybe the new u9 coaches work that way together but from u11 up its a joke.
This is the girls model.
Anonymous
10/08/2018 13:59
Subject: Soccer-At what point is it ok to switch clubs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sucks that my kids experience on a team is so dependent on the whims of the coach and other players. Is there a club that maintains a constant experience across all their teams? Coaches all follow the same consistent pattern so if the coach leaves the new one maintains the same approach? Also the system is same from team to team within the club? System doesn’t change based on players but rather players adapt to the system? Which clubs operate like this?
FCBEscola comes to mind. Everyone else seems to follow the highly variable model.
Alexandria.
I have heard a lot of good things about their program. Their coaches really care about the kids. They are invested.
Anonymous
10/08/2018 13:58
Subject: Soccer-At what point is it ok to switch clubs?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It sucks that my kids experience on a team is so dependent on the whims of the coach and other players. Is there a club that maintains a constant experience across all their teams? Coaches all follow the same consistent pattern so if the coach leaves the new one maintains the same approach? Also the system is same from team to team within the club? System doesn’t change based on players but rather players adapt to the system? Which clubs operate like this?
LOL these clubs are all made up of ex players and coach rising to their level of incompetence. It the Peter principle in action. The only better example is athlete directors at colleges.
Their level of incompetence; so true. Besides, clubs aren't loyal. They will readily pick up a player mid-season and bench another long time member of the team, if it suited them. Seen it happen. So why maintain a one directional loyalty? Ask yourself. Would your club cut your child? If the answer is yes, don't be afraid to cut the club. Travel soccer is pretty expensive anyways.
Actually I would prefer a club not pick up my child as a player, rather than either have my DC not be at the right level for the level of play or not be viewed as a good enough player to see a decent amount of time. The initial heartbreak of not making the team is better than the year long slow bleed of being the bottom player.
I agree.
I would also love to know if any club would actually honestly turn away a player who wasn't a good fit for any team in the club? Like OP, I've had a kid that was on the bubble for the A team, but was assigned to a B team largely made up of soccer newbies. For a competitive kid, that situation is not a good fit. It is all well and good to say work hard and play your way back onto the A team, but it is hard to learn and play the right way if the team is far below the player's level, no matter how hard a kid works. This is particularly as the kid gets older. The "play your way back to the A team" situation really only works if someone leaves the A team for another club or the club trains as a full age group. With coach specific training, there isn't going to be much movement between teams unless a really big fast kid who slipped through the cracks at tryouts gets spotted and claimed by the A team coach. In practice, I haven't seen many B or C team coaches advocating for their strongest players to get opportunities with the A team.
In my 10-year experience with my kids, they fill open A team spots most often with players new to the Club. They don't bother to promote kids from lower teams. It's easier this way and they don't have to deal with all the parents questioning why Jimmy got moved up over Timmy, etc. If a new kid shows up on equal par with a B team player and there's a spot for one on A---it goes to the new kids. They also like to attract and keep kids from other Clubs.