Anonymous wrote:
Except for a few notable exceptions, cars these days are largely pretty reliable. Gone are the days of 80s and 90s where there was a sizable gab between the likes of Honda/Toyota and the rest. For the most part, cars are pretty reliable these days. The luxury brands cost more to maintain and fix, but when it comes to common brands like Toyota, Honda, Mazda, VW, and etc, it's mostly similar.

Yeah, they're better than they were in the 80s and 90s, but it's now 2018, and people are STILL complaining about their ten-year-old jettas.

Toyota and Honda do still seem to have an edge in reliability at the cost of having cars that are admittedly a little boring compared to some of the alternatives. You can't really just base things on Consumer Reports either, because they don't really look at cars past 3-5 years, as I recall.

Anonymous wrote:Stop drinking the Flavor Aid and buy the car you want. I'm sure Toyota and Honda make great reliable cars (Honda not so much according to Consumer Reports) but the cars are terribly boring to drive and ugly.

^this.

Except for a few notable exceptions, cars these days are largely pretty reliable. Gone are the days of 80s and 90s where there was a sizable gab between the likes of Honda/Toyota and the rest. For the most part, cars are pretty reliable these days. The luxury brands cost more to maintain and fix, but when it comes to common brands like Toyota, Honda, Mazda, VW, and etc, it's mostly similar.

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Anonymous wrote:If you just want to get from point A to B and aren't really into driving, get a Honda or a Toyota - they are boring to drive but extremely reliable.

My last VW Golf was great for 10 years but started having major problems after I let my sister keep it for 2 years while I was abroad. Everything was f$$ked. Spent 2K to fix it and that was not enough. Finally got rid of it and bought a new Golf. Yes, the repairs and maintenance are more expensive but I absolutely LOVE driving my car.
If you can't afford German engineering, don't buy German cars - get thee a reliable Japanese car.

So, German engineering means expensive and not as reliable but fun?
Sounds like this girl I used to date. She broke my heart and my wallet just like my VW.

If you can't afford the maintenance ......you can't afford the car, or the girl.

Stop drinking the Flavor Aid and buy the car you want. I'm sure Toyota and Honda make great reliable cars (Honda not so much according to Consumer Reports) but the cars are terribly boring to drive and ugly.

Anonymous wrote:If you just want to get from point A to B and aren't really into driving, get a Honda or a Toyota - they are boring to drive but extremely reliable.

My last VW Golf was great for 10 years but started having major problems after I let my sister keep it for 2 years while I was abroad. Everything was f$$ked. Spent 2K to fix it and that was not enough. Finally got rid of it and bought a new Golf. Yes, the repairs and maintenance are more expensive but I absolutely LOVE driving my car.
If you can't afford German engineering, don't buy German cars - get thee a reliable Japanese car.

We've put 8K in the last 2 years into our 12 year old Passat with just 110K miles on it and now the check engine light is on again. For the third time this year.

Obviously we never would have put $8K into this car if we had gotten that bill at once. But $800-$1500 every single visit adds up quickly and you just keep hoping that at some point you've replaced everything and you should get 50-60,000 miles trouble free. In for a dime, in for a dollar I guess.

Oh and for the 4th summer in a row the AC is also not working properly and the heat has also had to be fixed twice.

FWIW we religiously maintained this car according to the manufacturers suggestions but that was all probably just another scam.

Don't buy a VW - their Consumer Reports customer ratings are absolutely terrible too.

Anonymous wrote:If you just want to get from point A to B and aren't really into driving, get a Honda or a Toyota - they are boring to drive but extremely reliable.

My last VW Golf was great for 10 years but started having major problems after I let my sister keep it for 2 years while I was abroad. Everything was f$$ked. Spent 2K to fix it and that was not enough. Finally got rid of it and bought a new Golf. Yes, the repairs and maintenance are more expensive but I absolutely LOVE driving my car.
If you can't afford German engineering, don't buy German cars - get thee a reliable Japanese car.

So, German engineering means expensive and not as reliable but fun?
Sounds like this girl I used to date. She broke my heart and my wallet just like my VW.

If you just want to get from point A to B and aren't really into driving, get a Honda or a Toyota - they are boring to drive but extremely reliable.

My last VW Golf was great for 10 years but started having major problems after I let my sister keep it for 2 years while I was abroad. Everything was f$$ked. Spent 2K to fix it and that was not enough. Finally got rid of it and bought a new Golf. Yes, the repairs and maintenance are more expensive but I absolutely LOVE driving my car.
If you can't afford German engineering, don't buy German cars - get thee a reliable Japanese car.

All of this VW hate is why they sell a new Jetta for 18k, which I think is a bargain. Hate away!

Just bought a 2015 Honda Civic for DS for 10K.

VW has great marketing and makes nice looking cars. I very much want basically any of their cars, but a) had a beetle that was super expensive to maintain b) the emissions stuff

Get a honda, toyota, or subaru

Volkswagen just got slammed for faking emissions readings and polluting more than they should.

They suck.

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Anonymous wrote:
new JETTA is fine. The misers on this board don't buy cars much so they don't know much about them

Yeah, the best measure of how much someone knows about cars is how often they buy new ones...

OP, the market rate for these cars isn't set by "misers" or "haters." Toyotas hold their value because ... wait for it ... they're worth more!

Anonymous wrote:
new JETTA is fine. The misers on this board don't buy cars much so they don't know much about them

Yeah, the best measure of how much someone knows about cars is how often they buy new ones...

new JETTA is fine. The misers on this board don't buy cars much so they don't know much about them

DH had a Golf that was fairly trouble free except for a clutch replacement until it died at a good old age (leak in engine). MIL went from a series of VW Golfs to a Honda Fit to save money and keeps talking about how she regretted that decision. VW also has a 6 yr warranty deal right now...