Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a medical condition that should only be diagnosed by a qualified medical doctor.

Can they do a brain scam to see the frontal cortex?

*scan

Anonymous wrote:It’s a medical condition that should only be diagnosed by a qualified medical doctor.

Can they do a brain scam to see the frontal cortex?

It’s a medical condition that should only be diagnosed by a qualified medical doctor.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids who have insufficient sleep can present very much like they have ADHD, but it isn't ADHD.

Just like anxiety and ADHD can look identical in kids.

Peer reviewed research study, please

NP Here's one https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3630973/
Although some studies fail to find an association between sleep restriction and ADHD symptomology,9 the majority of studies with typically developing children and children with ADHD have demonstrated that sleep deprivation can result in deficits in neurobehavioral functioning that resembles or exacerbates ADHD symptoms

This isn't the link to the actual research but references different studies. It's from ADDitude which is the magazine published by CHADD - the national organization for people with ADHD.

https://www.additudemag.com/symptoms-of-insomnia/

NP. Thank you for the links. I read the first and will read the second. But you are drawing a conclusion that the article does not draw. The article says many times that ADHD is very often comorbid with sleep disorders and goes on to question cause and effect. It definitely does not say that "it isn't adhd."

I don't think we're reading the same article. The researchers clearly note (as the PP quoted above) "the majority of studies with typically developing children and children with ADHD have demonstrated that sleep deprivation can result in deficits in neurobehavioral functioning that resembles or exacerbates ADHD symptoms". Further in the article, it states "Gruber and colleagues13 have also recently shown that teachers of typically developing school-aged children, who were blind to their students’ sleep status, reported increased cognitive problems and inattention after sleep restriction confirmed by polysomnography." In fact, the whole thing is riddled with evidence that whether one is typically developing or not, disturbed sleep mimics or exacerbates the symptoms of ADHD.

A simple google search of 'sleep and symptoms of ADHD' yield a lot of published research. This is pretty much a no-brainer.

My 2nd dropped his naps when he was 2 and bedtimes were awful if we didn't catch his magic 15 minutes -- the 15 minutes where he was tired but not too tired. If he gets too tired, he gets completely hyper. I remember at that age if he got too tired, I would have to hold him in the dark room while he screamed and thrashed until he just collapsed asleep. Later on, he would be running from one end of the house to the other, literally bouncing off the walls. So a really strict bedtime routine was crucial. Around 5, things got a lot easier and he's been a wonderful sleeper since then. Now at 7.5, he's showing signs of seasonal allergies and I've noticed when he's on his allergy medication that his behavior is better even though he still seems to sleep well without it. Perhaps he's not able to stay deeply asleep?

Ironically enough, when he was a preschooler/K'er he had a great ability to fall asleep during really loud events. Start a fireworks show and he'd be asleep within 5 minutes. Of course fireworks are usually after a long day of higher activity, but still, it was pretty funny.

Anonymous wrote:I should say, in my DD's case, another sign. I have suspected that she has either ADD or ADHD for awhile now based on her behavior. But now she is skipping her nap and being overtired at night just makes her more hyper and she can't sleep.

Op, please make an appointment with a developmental pediatrician. "Another sign" is probably red flags for something.

Much more likely comorbid. There’s a brain difference.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids who have insufficient sleep can present very much like they have ADHD, but it isn't ADHD.

Just like anxiety and ADHD can look identical in kids.

Peer reviewed research study, please

NP Here's one https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3630973/
Although some studies fail to find an association between sleep restriction and ADHD symptomology,9 the majority of studies with typically developing children and children with ADHD have demonstrated that sleep deprivation can result in deficits in neurobehavioral functioning that resembles or exacerbates ADHD symptoms

This isn't the link to the actual research but references different studies. It's from ADDitude which is the magazine published by CHADD - the national organization for people with ADHD.

https://www.additudemag.com/symptoms-of-insomnia/

NP. Thank you for the links. I read the first and will read the second. But you are drawing a conclusion that the article does not draw. The article says many times that ADHD is very often comorbid with sleep disorders and goes on to question cause and effect. It definitely does not say that "it isn't adhd."

I don't know. I haven't heard about that before.

My son has ADHD combined, although it's not severe. He napped until he was 5.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My initial reaction was no, but then I remembered this article I read last fall.

Could some ADHD be a type of sleep disorder? That would fundamentally change how we treat it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/09/22/could-adhd-be-a-type-of-sleep-disorder-that-would-fundamentally-change-how-we-treat-it/?utm_term=.156bca2a420a

Woah. Thank you for posting this. I just went down a sleep deprivation/mouth breathing/ADHD rabbit hole. We are in the process of having DC tested for ADHD. He has been a mouth breather as long as I can remember. His baby teeth are ground down because of it. The more I read, the more it sounds like my child is severely sleep/oxygen deprived. Setting up appointments with an ENT and an orthodontist ASAP.

Well it’s a chicken egg thing. Mouth breathing can be neurological. Many times I read this stuff, and I think, yes, there’s a brain difference/defect and it impedes sleep. Shocker.

+1

+1000

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids who have insufficient sleep can present very much like they have ADHD, but it isn't ADHD.

Just like anxiety and ADHD can look identical in kids.

Peer reviewed research study, please

NP Here's one https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3630973/
Although some studies fail to find an association between sleep restriction and ADHD symptomology,9 the majority of studies with typically developing children and children with ADHD have demonstrated that sleep deprivation can result in deficits in neurobehavioral functioning that resembles or exacerbates ADHD symptoms

This isn't the link to the actual research but references different studies. It's from ADDitude which is the magazine published by CHADD - the national organization for people with ADHD.

https://www.additudemag.com/symptoms-of-insomnia/