Anonymous
Post 03/23/2018 09:34     Subject: School lockdown... every man for themselves plan
Anonymous wrote:I told my kids to run if they can, not to shelter in place. At their public school they were told that if they are on the playground and there is a shooting, to run and hide in a classroom. I told them to run and jump the fence and keep running to a friend's house that is nearby. I would want my kids in the single parent teacher's classroom. Break windows and run away, not be sitting ducks.


Absolutely right. In fact, if there is no friend's house nearby, the kids are better off running to ANY nearby house and knocking on the door than they are going into the classroom where the shooter wants them to be.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2018 09:32     Subject: School lockdown... every man for themselves plan
Anonymous wrote:You are all delusional if you think underpaid public servants are going to protect anyone but themselves. You may have some anomalies like the Coach in parkland, but it's absurd to honestly expect anyone in that pay grade to not protect themselves first.

If you want to protect children against gunman then hire SWAT officers to be stationed at schools. Stop asking resource officers and teachers to protect children.


Bullshit. Resource officers are law enforcement officers and they are supposed to protect children.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2018 09:28     Subject: School lockdown... every man for themselves plan
Anonymous wrote:I told my kids to run if they can, not to shelter in place. At their public school they were told that if they are on the playground and there is a shooting, to run and hide in a classroom. I told them to run and jump the fence and keep running to a friend's house that is nearby. I would want my kids in the single parent teacher's classroom. Break windows and run away, not be sitting ducks.


+100 just had an active shooter seminar and they said this is the biggest misconception out there. I don't know where they got their statistics from but our county's sheriff said 85% of the time you run away from the active shooter you will get away. Playing dead (which is what I had planned to do until now) is a death sentence because these shooters will see a body and fire rounds into it just for the effect.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2018 09:26     Subject: School lockdown... every man for themselves plan
I told my kids to run if they can, not to shelter in place. At their public school they were told that if they are on the playground and there is a shooting, to run and hide in a classroom. I told them to run and jump the fence and keep running to a friend's house that is nearby. I would want my kids in the single parent teacher's classroom. Break windows and run away, not be sitting ducks.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2018 09:26     Subject: Re:School lockdown... every man for themselves plan
Anonymous wrote:OP, it's a good thing you're not a LEO wife. You couldn't handle it. My husband retired after 26 years in law enforcement and is now a bus driver for fun. His job in an active shooter situation is to get the kids behind him and engage the shooter without a weapon. He wouldn't run, because he's been in many active shooter situations, and in many hostage negotiations. He would do his job, even if it meant losing his life. But that shooter would die, too, or be incapacitated. The kids would be off the bus and officers would be responding. You don't marry a cop and expect him to come home safely. You expect a call. The fact that he didn't die during his career is a blessing, but I would be ashamed of him if he didn't do his job now if he was in that situation,and he would be ashamed of himself for being a coward.


I call BS on this one, many active shooter situations. There aren't that many, other than working in the crime-ridden areas, for this to occur. Why is he driving a bus now, instead of working as a SRO?
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2018 09:25     Subject: School lockdown... every man for themselves plan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You are all delusional if you think underpaid public servants are going to protect anyone but themselves. You may have some anomalies like the Coach in parkland, but it's absurd to honestly expect anyone in that pay grade to not protect themselves first.

If you want to protect children against gunman then hire SWAT officers to be stationed at schools. Stop asking resource officers and teachers to protect children.


Agreed that teachers shouldn't *have to* protect children, that's not what they signed up for.

But what are resource officers for if not to protect students?


Would you expect mall security to go against an active shooter. I promise you they will not (and are instructed to not pursue the shooter). Mall security still serves a purpose, they provide protection, but if an ISIS militant gang charged a mall, Paul Bart can not be hero. He's not equipped to do so.

School resource officers provide services, think about school fights, illegal activities, etc. In any other aspect of our society we would send someone like a resource officer or public safety aid to handle a dispute between two individuals, we would not send them to deescalate an active shooter. Just because they are in the school for safety does not mean they are the appropriate official to resolve the situation If you want someone to protect children against shooters, hire more adequate security.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2018 09:25     Subject: School lockdown... every man for themselves plan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You are all delusional if you think underpaid public servants are going to protect anyone but themselves. You may have some anomalies like the Coach in parkland, but it's absurd to honestly expect anyone in that pay grade to not protect themselves first.

If you want to protect children against gunman then hire SWAT officers to be stationed at schools. Stop asking resource officers and teachers to protect children.


Agreed that teachers shouldn't *have to* protect children, that's not what they signed up for.

But what are resource officers for if not to protect students?


The SRO’s primary function is to enhance the safety and security of the learning environment for students, staff, and the school community in the Montgomery County Public High Schools. Other duties and responsibilities include but are not limited to:

Acting as a resource and assisting with emergency preparedness as well as safety awareness education to the high school population age groups.

Meeting regularly with Montgomery County Public Schools (MCPS) staff, students, and parents, to exchange information and discuss issues of concern within the school.

Serving as a point of contact to deliver MCPD programs such as crime prevention, conflict resolution and mediation, drug and alcohol awareness, violence prevention, gang awareness, and community relations and outreach.

Assisting with calls for service and incidents occurring within their assigned schools.

Assisting with traffic safety and traffic enforcement activities at their assigned schools.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/POL/Chief/bureaus/patrol/sro.html
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2018 09:19     Subject: School lockdown... every man for themselves plan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There was another thread after the FL shooting where a bunch of teachers admitted they’d not take a bullet for their students. I’ll see if I can find it here.

I get it. Teaching is a job. Teachers are people not martyrs. We don’t expect people in other professions to jump in front of bullets. There’s like 1 job that has that requirement: secret service agent.


Yes, one of the students claimed that a teacher closed the door to the classroom before he could get inside. He banged on the door but the teacher wouldn’t open.


Two different teachers, one tried to save as many kids as possible, the other shut the door and left children in the hallway:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/23/florida-school-shooting-parkland-teachers-impossible-choice

http://www.insideedition.com/parkland-teacher-jim-gard-praised-hero-nothing-coward-student-says-41189

The second is OP's husband.


Florida teachers are instructed to leave children in the hall once they've secured their classroom. The only variation I've ever heard is for lower elementary grades, because it's unlikely that the shooter is a 6 year old. How the State rationalized it is: In an active shooter situation we do not know who is the shooter, how many shooters, location of shooters. Once that classroom is secure NO ONE can go in and out until LEO arrives and escorts you out. If a teacher takes a chance and opens a door for a student, they risk the lives of the students in the classroom. Save the many, sacrifice the few. That's the mentality teachers are instructed to have here.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2018 09:18     Subject: School lockdown... every man for themselves plan
Anonymous wrote:You are all delusional if you think underpaid public servants are going to protect anyone but themselves. You may have some anomalies like the Coach in parkland, but it's absurd to honestly expect anyone in that pay grade to not protect themselves first.

If you want to protect children against gunman then hire SWAT officers to be stationed at schools. Stop asking resource officers and teachers to protect children.


Agreed that teachers shouldn't *have to* protect children, that's not what they signed up for.

But what are resource officers for if not to protect students?
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2018 09:13     Subject: School lockdown... every man for themselves plan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There was another thread after the FL shooting where a bunch of teachers admitted they’d not take a bullet for their students. I’ll see if I can find it here.

I get it. Teaching is a job. Teachers are people not martyrs. We don’t expect people in other professions to jump in front of bullets. There’s like 1 job that has that requirement: secret service agent.


Yes, one of the students claimed that a teacher closed the door to the classroom before he could get inside. He banged on the door but the teacher wouldn’t open.


Two different teachers, one tried to save as many kids as possible, the other shut the door and left children in the hallway:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/23/florida-school-shooting-parkland-teachers-impossible-choice

http://www.insideedition.com/parkland-teacher-jim-gard-praised-hero-nothing-coward-student-says-41189

The second is OP's husband.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2018 09:13     Subject: Re:School lockdown... every man for themselves plan
Anonymous wrote:My daughter is a teacher. She would stand in front her her kids to protect them. I was a teacher for years. I would die trying to keep my kids safe. All teachers I know feel the same.

I never say this, but OP, you are a horrible, horrible person. I would see a psychiatrist. You are a sociopath.


You sound like Trump.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2018 09:09     Subject: School lockdown... every man for themselves plan
You are all delusional if you think underpaid public servants are going to protect anyone but themselves. You may have some anomalies like the Coach in parkland, but it's absurd to honestly expect anyone in that pay grade to not protect themselves first.

If you want to protect children against gunman then hire SWAT officers to be stationed at schools. Stop asking resource officers and teachers to protect children.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2018 09:08     Subject: School lockdown... every man for themselves plan
Anonymous wrote:I'm a high school teacher, and that's my plan. I'm a single parent. I'm going to do whatever I can to ensure that I make it home, and I've told my child to expect her teacher to do the same. I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways. We're villainized constantly regardless of how much we try. I'm sick of every time there's a school shooting that results in a teacher's death, they're lauded as heroes. They're victims. I shouldn't have to choose between making my child an orphan and saving someone else's kid. We don't have metal detectors, armed security, locking doors, or even doors that open into the room that we can barricade. You won't pay me a decent wage for what I do? Fine. At least spend the money to try and give me some sense of security. Instead, we get bullshit about statistics and how it's highly unlikely we'll have a shooting. We're told that metal detectors aren't in the budget. I've told my students that our plan is to toss a chair through the window and make a run for it.


I see your logic - you can't prioritize everyone else's kids over your own (who could become orphaned if you die), but in your scenario you've TOLD your students, WE break the window and run. The OP doesn't say anything about her DH taking students with him on his escape, he'd just leave them there like sitting ducks (which unfortunately because of the lack of security measures in place is exactly how you feel every day).
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2018 09:05     Subject: School lockdown... every man for themselves plan
OP, I think some of these responders are being way too harsh on you. Your request/opinion is completely reasonable and I imagine most of us would feel similar about a loved one. The thing is, I think it is good of you to have "given permission" to him to not feel like he needs to "be a hero" so that in the moment (should it ever come) he has a chance to touch base with his reality of his life. However, I think should that moment come, you and he will have to live with whatever he feels he needs to do in the moment. I think the mental load of survivors, especially if they flee in a way society does not deem acceptable will make their mental life a living hell.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2018 09:02     Subject: School lockdown... every man for themselves plan
Anonymous wrote:OP does the same philosophy apply in a fire?