Anonymous
Post 02/15/2018 12:02     Subject: “Irresponsible” for getting a promotion
Anonymous wrote:Op again - what motivates someone to do this? Can you see it from my managers perspective? Am I missing something?

Even if they make me stay, I’ll just quit a few weeks later bridges burned.(if they don’t fire me first - seriously for no reason I’m a really good employee and good at my job). Isn’t it easier for the company just to let me move and not deal with paperwork?


Power. Some people just get full of themselves.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2018 11:17     Subject: “Irresponsible” for getting a promotion
Anonymous wrote:Op again - what motivates someone to do this? Can you see it from my managers perspective? Am I missing something?

Even if they make me stay, I’ll just quit a few weeks later bridges burned.(if they don’t fire me first - seriously for no reason I’m a really good employee and good at my job). Isn’t it easier for the company just to let me move and not deal with paperwork?


Your manager does not want to lose your work product. He is upset that you did not consult him before applying because you took away his ability to stop you from leaving.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 19:14     Subject: “Irresponsible” for getting a promotion
Op again - what motivates someone to do this? Can you see it from my managers perspective? Am I missing something?

Even if they make me stay, I’ll just quit a few weeks later bridges burned.(if they don’t fire me first - seriously for no reason I’m a really good employee and good at my job). Isn’t it easier for the company just to let me move and not deal with paperwork?
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 19:09     Subject: “Irresponsible” for getting a promotion
Op here - I know I’m not a protected class and you can’t sue for being a jerk. I’m worried they will deny unemployment.

If you were me, what would you do?
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 19:03     Subject: “Irresponsible” for getting a promotion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve posted before. I’m having major anxiety.

I’ve been unhappy with my manager and the team I’m on has a lot of dysfunction. There was a promotion opportunity in another division. I applied and I got it. It’s a title and pay bump, more autonomy etc.

I gave notice to manager - he was ok. The next day I get a scathing call from my bosses boss. How I was “irresponsible” for applying, I should have let my manager approve my application (HR signed off per company protocol ), and that it looks like I’m running away. He wants to block (best case: delay) my move because “the other team is stealing his resources”.

I followed company protocol. I went through the process like everyone else. I was honest and transparent. I asked new boss to approve me supporting one of my existing projects to see it through. And now I may end up with no job. New boss is not amused by drama.

Not once did anyone ask me how I was doing, or what my career goals were or even say “nice job”. So, what do I do now?



Go straight to HR to let them know about this call. Do not take any more of this guy's phone calls directly - force him to leave a voice mail or talk to you in person. Have your cell phone ready to record discreetly. And consult an employment lawyer just in case you need one. I would think that, if you followed company protocol and HR signed off on the process and promotion, you'd have a hell of a case on your side for suing the shit out of them should they dismiss you. This sounds like textbook retaliation to me.


+1


Retaliation for what?


Retaliation for trying to leave his team. How do you not get that?


How do you not get that that's not actionable?
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 19:01     Subject: “Irresponsible” for getting a promotion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve posted before. I’m having major anxiety.

I’ve been unhappy with my manager and the team I’m on has a lot of dysfunction. There was a promotion opportunity in another division. I applied and I got it. It’s a title and pay bump, more autonomy etc.

I gave notice to manager - he was ok. The next day I get a scathing call from my bosses boss. How I was “irresponsible” for applying, I should have let my manager approve my application (HR signed off per company protocol ), and that it looks like I’m running away. He wants to block (best case: delay) my move because “the other team is stealing his resources”.

I followed company protocol. I went through the process like everyone else. I was honest and transparent. I asked new boss to approve me supporting one of my existing projects to see it through. And now I may end up with no job. New boss is not amused by drama.

Not once did anyone ask me how I was doing, or what my career goals were or even say “nice job”. So, what do I do now?



Go straight to HR to let them know about this call. Do not take any more of this guy's phone calls directly - force him to leave a voice mail or talk to you in person. Have your cell phone ready to record discreetly. And consult an employment lawyer just in case you need one. I would think that, if you followed company protocol and HR signed off on the process and promotion, you'd have a hell of a case on your side for suing the shit out of them should they dismiss you. This sounds like textbook retaliation to me.


+1


Retaliation for what?


Retaliation for trying to leave his team. How do you not get that?
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 18:59     Subject: “Irresponsible” for getting a promotion
Anonymous wrote:Op here - old boss filed an HR complaint against me to delay processing of promotion. This is a nightmare. I don’t get it. If I’m a “bad employee” and I already tried to leave then why fight me? She’s just going to fire me anyway.



This is a nightmare. I assume you are documenting up the wazoo and making a timeline.

I also assume your resume is nice and shiny and ready to go.

So sorry OP
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 18:55     Subject: “Irresponsible” for getting a promotion
Op here - old boss filed an HR complaint against me to delay processing of promotion. This is a nightmare. I don’t get it. If I’m a “bad employee” and I already tried to leave then why fight me? She’s just going to fire me anyway.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 15:21     Subject: “Irresponsible” for getting a promotion
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve posted before. I’m having major anxiety.

I’ve been unhappy with my manager and the team I’m on has a lot of dysfunction. There was a promotion opportunity in another division. I applied and I got it. It’s a title and pay bump, more autonomy etc.

I gave notice to manager - he was ok. The next day I get a scathing call from my bosses boss. How I was “irresponsible” for applying, I should have let my manager approve my application (HR signed off per company protocol ), and that it looks like I’m running away. He wants to block (best case: delay) my move because “the other team is stealing his resources”.

I followed company protocol. I went through the process like everyone else. I was honest and transparent. I asked new boss to approve me supporting one of my existing projects to see it through. And now I may end up with no job. New boss is not amused by drama.

Not once did anyone ask me how I was doing, or what my career goals were or even say “nice job”. So, what do I do now?



Go straight to HR to let them know about this call. Do not take any more of this guy's phone calls directly - force him to leave a voice mail or talk to you in person. Have your cell phone ready to record discreetly. And consult an employment lawyer just in case you need one. I would think that, if you followed company protocol and HR signed off on the process and promotion, you'd have a hell of a case on your side for suing the shit out of them should they dismiss you. This sounds like textbook retaliation to me.


+1


Retaliation for what?


If her promotion was denied and current boss fired her, as OP seems to be suggesting, that would be retaliation. Classic case. Not that this is likely to happen if HR at OP's employer has any sense at all. I concur with others who suggest she should remain professional, do her job, wait for her start date, and let HR/new boss deal with the situation. If anyone should be fired, it sounds like OP's current boss would be a good candidate.


Retaliation is only illegal if it is retaliating for protected activity. Trying to get promoted is not a protected activity.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 15:15     Subject: “Irresponsible” for getting a promotion
Anonymous wrote:I’ve posted before. I’m having major anxiety.

I’ve been unhappy with my manager and the team I’m on has a lot of dysfunction. There was a promotion opportunity in another division. I applied and I got it. It’s a title and pay bump, more autonomy etc.

I gave notice to manager - he was ok. The next day I get a scathing call from my bosses boss. How I was “irresponsible” for applying, I should have let my manager approve my application (HR signed off per company protocol ), and that it looks like I’m running away. He wants to block (best case: delay) my move because “the other team is stealing his resources”.

I followed company protocol. I went through the process like everyone else. I was honest and transparent. I asked new boss to approve me supporting one of my existing projects to see it through. And now I may end up with no job. New boss is not amused by drama.

Not once did anyone ask me how I was doing, or what my career goals were or even say “nice job”. So, what do I do now?



sounds like a jerk. write a 3 sentence letter for your immediate boss to sign, stating that he understands you are moving groups, all the best, you will help with any transitions. Done.
Anonymous
Post 02/13/2018 18:36     Subject: “Irresponsible” for getting a promotion
I had something similar happen. This wasn't at Georgetown was it?

I let the bosses fight it out. It only ended up delaying the inevitable and I looked like a hero for finishing one task up and dealing with known @ssholes while waiting to start my new job. I found it fascinating that my new manager partially kowtowed to my old one, but once I started, new boss clearly let rip with what an @sshole old boss was. One of the reasons I was hired was that it earned points that I dealt with old boss so long.