Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 16:38     Subject: Trump's proposed immigration plan
Trump never felt the rules should apply to him. So, an end to chain migration, but Melania should be able to sponsor her parents and sister. That's not a problem at all.

No low-skill immigration but when he wants Eastern Europeans at his resorts, he should be able to hire some.

Rules are for dummies. Talking to you, America.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 16:37     Subject: Trump's proposed immigration plan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:1st pillar: This has been a non-starter with Republicans in the past. Is it really a starter this time?

2nd pillar: Can we just stop it with the wall thing? Increase funding of measures that actually work and use the rest to benefit Americans.

3rd pillar: Currently the vast majority of immigration is "merit based". This is the H1B visas that Republicans rail against.

4th pillar: The problem is the disconnect between what some Americans think of as immediate family members and what the majority of cultures around the world think of as immediate family members.


+1

#2 More illegal immigrants come from visa over stays than from crossing the border illegally. The wall has very low ROI. Even some Rs realize this. For a "smart" business man, Trump doesn't seem to understand the basic business concept of an ROI. As an Independent, if he can *really* make MX pay for the wall, then fine. But I DO NOT want my tax dollars going for this useless thing.

#3 I really have a problem with this one. I work in IT. Many of the H1B workers I've worked with usually apply for a greencard on day one. Also, Trump and his followers want to get rid of H1B. If you make immigration merit based, and we let in all the high tech workers who want to come here, there's not that much difference than what we have today. Trumpsters keep saying we don't need H1B high tech workers. So, does this mean that Trump's merit based immigration plan won't include high tech workers?

#4 - why was it OK that Melania brought her sisters and elderly parents into this country, but someone from MX can't do the same?


Please stop lying. H1B workers cannot apply for greencards independently. They need to be sponsored by their employers and it's not an easy process. Not all employers sponsor. Not all who get sponsored will qualify. It's also wholly separate from the H1B visa.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 16:35     Subject: Trump's proposed immigration plan
Anonymous wrote:1st pillar: This has been a non-starter with Republicans in the past. Is it really a starter this time?

2nd pillar: Can we just stop it with the wall thing? Increase funding of measures that actually work and use the rest to benefit Americans.

3rd pillar: Currently the vast majority of immigration is "merit based". This is the H1B visas that Republicans rail against.

4th pillar: The problem is the disconnect between what some Americans think of as immediate family members and what the majority of cultures around the world think of as immediate family members.



No it isn't. Employer-sponsored visas are a drop in the ocean of immigration. The "vast majority" of immigration is family-based.

Please stop talking about H1B visas in the context of immigration. These are temporary work permits with no independent path toward permanent immigration. Not all H1Bs get sponsored by their employers for green cards. Not all who are sponsored will qualify. Not all who are sponsored start as H1B workers.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 16:31     Subject: Re:Trump's proposed immigration plan
Anonymous wrote:It is quite a generous offer from Trump. He is offering a path to citizenship not only to the 800,000 DACA adults but to the broader dreamers, as well, around 2 million (I believe.).

What he asks from Democrats is all perfect sense: a wall to discourage illegals, a stop to the ridiculous "chain" migration where one immigrant can bring over a slew of relatives, and merit-based immigration to help see that new immigrants are likely to be able to support themselves and contribute to their new country.

It's a wonderful compromise offer, and I hope Democrats are willing to engage in compromise.


But it isn't. He is throwing to them something that would have been done in one form or the other, anyway. In exchange, he is asking for everything he wants - the wall and the overhaul of the current immigration system. He's willing to pay very little to get what he wants.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 15:42     Subject: Re:Trump's proposed immigration plan
Anonymous wrote:The House will not pass a bill that allows 1MM+ dreamers/people to stay. Even with Trump's support, I can't see anything like his 4 pillars getting passed in the R House.

+1 Trump can't even get his own party members all on board. Before Trumpsters blame this on liberals, why don't you get your own house in order first. Then we can talk. Otherwise, there are too many different sides for liberals to negotiate with.

Also, Trump as the one who went back on his word.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 15:22     Subject: Trump's proposed immigration plan
Anonymous wrote:Don't you guys even remember WHY Obama created DACA?

It's because the Republicans wouldn't allow immigration reform come up for a vote. That's it. They wouldn't even negotiate with the PoTUS.



No, the intelligent conservatives are too intelligent to post on this site anymore, and the rest of the conservatives that post here....
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 15:21     Subject: Trump's proposed immigration plan
Don't you guys even remember WHY Obama created DACA?

It's because the Republicans wouldn't allow immigration reform come up for a vote. That's it. They wouldn't even negotiate with the PoTUS.

Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 15:18     Subject: Re:Trump's proposed immigration plan
Anonymous wrote:My opinion....I think it is all reasonable. I don't think the Dems will go for it, which is a shame.


I agree. It is better for DACA recipients, those who haven't yet applied but could be approved, as well as those too young to apply which is how I believe the number is 1.8 million. Is the USA arrival time and presence still 2007-2012?

Any arrival after DACA-2012 - should be excluded. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/31/state-of-the-union-democrats-congress-379571

"But that prospect seemed far off after Trump’s speech. Durbin called Trump’s references to MS-13 "inflammatory."
“No one in the world defends them,” Durbin said of MS-13. “We’re talking about DACA and Dreamers, for goodness’ sakes. It’s two different worlds, and he just seems to conflate both.”

Long Island new normal- all 5 illegal immigrants but 3 out of 5 have Obama unaccompanied minor status:
http://abc7ny.com/police-ms-13-gang-members-tried-to-abduct-teen-on-li/2752606/

Potential dreamers and daca recipients can intersect with criminals. Why didn't all apply for DACA ? Some with new criminal records lost DACA. Does this mean Harris expects the USA to NOT screen and just accept with path to residency or citizenship all who enter and stay in the country illegally? http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/371552-harris-slams-trump-for-linking-young-immigrants-and-ms-13

Trump's deal is far better for communities with high Central American or mexican populaions and the country than what is happening now.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 15:08     Subject: Re:Trump's proposed immigration plan
Anonymous wrote:First of all, I could not believe Trump offered this pathway to citizenship. It is what Obama SHOULD have done. It is compassionate. I did not think he had it in him with all his hard lines. At all. Shocker. This path is a gift! He is not going to punish children for the sins of the parents. Thank God.

But he is asking for compromise. This is politics, it is what you do. Something for something. The Dems can not compromise because if they let Trump be a hero then they will lose all of their new voters as the illegals become citizens. They have to find fault, even if it hurts these DACA kids.

It is so clear after last night and the Dems reaction. The DACA kids are nothing but political pawns for the Dems. The Dems don't care about them and their futures as citizens, they only see them as votes. The cynical hypocrisy of the left was exposed beautifully last night. What jerks.

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Obama did do this. The Republicans refused to let immigration reform come onto the floor of the House or Senate for a vote. But sure, keep blaming Obama.......the PoTUS doesn't create legislation.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 15:08     Subject: Re:Trump's proposed immigration plan
The House will not pass a bill that allows 1MM+ dreamers/people to stay. Even with Trump's support, I can't see anything like his 4 pillars getting passed in the R House.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 15:07     Subject: Trump's proposed immigration plan
Why don't you Trumspters hold Trump to his word about paying for the wall? I'm not paying for it. You don't want to pay to keep healthcare costs down; I don't want to pay for the wall.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 15:05     Subject: Re:Trump's proposed immigration plan
Anonymous wrote:First of all, I could not believe Trump offered this pathway to citizenship. It is what Obama SHOULD have done. It is compassionate. I did not think he had it in him with all his hard lines. At all. Shocker. This path is a gift! He is not going to punish children for the sins of the parents. Thank God.

But he is asking for compromise. This is politics, it is what you do. Something for something. The Dems can not compromise because if they let Trump be a hero then they will lose all of their new voters as the illegals become citizens. They have to find fault, even if it hurts these DACA kids.

It is so clear after last night and the Dems reaction. The DACA kids are nothing but political pawns for the Dems. The Dems don't care about them and their futures as citizens, they only see them as votes. The cynical hypocrisy of the left was exposed beautifully last night. What jerks.

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Schumer offered to pay for the wall, in exchange for DACA, just a couple weeks ago. Did you forget?

There's no way that Trump is going to get the Rs on board with this -- even though it's what a lot of them want. So it's not the right time for Dems to negotiate this or discuss it. First, the Rs need to decide what they want. The ball is in their court.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 15:03     Subject: Trump's proposed immigration plan
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:1st pillar: This has been a non-starter with Republicans in the past. Is it really a starter this time?

2nd pillar: Can we just stop it with the wall thing? Increase funding of measures that actually work and use the rest to benefit Americans.

3rd pillar: Currently the vast majority of immigration is "merit based". This is the H1B visas that Republicans rail against.

4th pillar: The problem is the disconnect between what some Americans think of as immediate family members and what the majority of cultures around the world think of as immediate family members.


+1

#2 More illegal immigrants come from visa over stays than from crossing the border illegally. The wall has very low ROI. Even some Rs realize this. For a "smart" business man, Trump doesn't seem to understand the basic business concept of an ROI. As an Independent, if he can *really* make MX pay for the wall, then fine. But I DO NOT want my tax dollars going for this useless thing.

#3 I really have a problem with this one. I work in IT. Many of the H1B workers I've worked with usually apply for a greencard on day one. Also, Trump and his followers want to get rid of H1B. If you make immigration merit based, and we let in all the high tech workers who want to come here, there's not that much difference than what we have today. Trumpsters keep saying we don't need H1B high tech workers. So, does this mean that Trump's merit based immigration plan won't include high tech workers?

#4 - why was it OK that Melania brought her sisters and elderly parents into this country, but someone from MX can't do the same?



#2; Have you heard how many illegal immigrants (many of whom are children) have crossed the border in the past few years alone? Tens of thousands if not more, a year....I'm okay with having a wall to prevent this from happening.
#4: Why can't those people fall in line like the rest of the people in line? Why should extended family members have a special privilege? I don't get it and I'm an immigrant.
I think the proposal is great and the Dems would be foolish not to take it.




Most of those kids were brought over on tourist visas. A wall won't stop them. Duh.

Let's use our brains for a few seconds, OK?


If you don't think that the 59,757 unaccompanied children and 77,857 family units that were caught at the border just in 2016 is significant, then maybe you need to use your brains for a few seconds. Duh

DP.. in the overall numbers, no it's not significant since the majority of illegal immigrants come from visa over stays than border crossings. You want to spend $50billion+ on a solution that won't address the majority.

The only way you will make a dent in the numbers is to go after the employers. Why do you think folks stay here illegally? It's because they know someone will hire them. A significant number of them are on farms. Go there first. But ICE doesn't. Why? Because those farms are owned by Rs and we all like our reasonably priced produce.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 14:58     Subject: Re:Trump's proposed immigration plan
First of all, I could not believe Trump offered this pathway to citizenship. It is what Obama SHOULD have done. It is compassionate. I did not think he had it in him with all his hard lines. At all. Shocker. This path is a gift! He is not going to punish children for the sins of the parents. Thank God.

But he is asking for compromise. This is politics, it is what you do. Something for something. The Dems can not compromise because if they let Trump be a hero then they will lose all of their new voters as the illegals become citizens. They have to find fault, even if it hurts these DACA kids.

It is so clear after last night and the Dems reaction. The DACA kids are nothing but political pawns for the Dems. The Dems don't care about them and their futures as citizens, they only see them as votes. The cynical hypocrisy of the left was exposed beautifully last night. What jerks.

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