Anonymous
01/25/2018 22:04
Subject: Re:2018 U.S. Presidential Scholar Candidates from DC Private Schools
Anonymous wrote:MCPS Magnets by my count:
18 Blair
7 Poolesville
5 Richard Montomery
Really sad @RM. Magnet at RM is dead.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 21:53
Subject: Re:2018 U.S. Presidential Scholar Candidates from DC Private Schools
Anonymous wrote:MCPS Magnets by my count:
18 Blair
7 Poolesville
5 Richard Montomery
Magnets take the brightest kids from an overachieving tiger parent county with over 50,000 kids. Most of which have been groomed since young childhood with tutors, learning at home, perfect extracurriculars, and thousands spent on test prep. Of course there is going to be scholars. I am actually not impressed with RM’s numbers.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 19:43
Subject: 2018 U.S. Presidential Scholar Candidates from DC Private Schools
Can we please add some of the MD and VA private schools for comparison to the DC private schools?
Please continue to post the DC, MD, and VA public schools results in the respective forums for DC, MD, and VA Public Schools. This thread's original discussion was hijacked and unfortunately took a slightly negative turn when it veered away from the original subject.
Please continue to post the DC, MD, and VA public schools results in the respective forums for DC, MD, and VA Public Schools. This thread's original discussion was hijacked and unfortunately took a slightly negative turn when it veered away from the original subject.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 16:20
Subject: 2018 U.S. Presidential Scholar Candidates from DC Private Schools
This is such an arrogant forum.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 15:30
Subject: Re:2018 U.S. Presidential Scholar Candidates from DC Private Schools
MCPS Magnets by my count:
18 Blair
7 Poolesville
5 Richard Montomery
18 Blair
7 Poolesville
5 Richard Montomery
Anonymous
01/25/2018 15:03
Subject: 2018 U.S. Presidential Scholar Candidates from DC Private Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The EL Haynes number is surprising in light of the school’s past performance.
EL Haynes Pres Scholars # / NMSF #
2014 0 / 0
2015 0 / 0
2016 0 / 0
2017 1 / 0
2018 8 / 0
Perhaps Haynes should tell DCPS and DCPCS what secret sauce it used this year! I’m sure others would want to know.
For the general category, in addition to the top 20 male and female SAT scorers (plus more for ties) in each state, the chief state school officer gets to nominate another 10 males and 10 females. Plus, there are some partnered recognition groups that are able to nominate 40 of their participants. There are also scholars chosen for the arts program and the career/technical education program that do not use SAT scores for nomination.
I think that's the answer, PP. From the US Dept of Education website:
The combined file of scores from the top male examinees and top female examinees are then ranked from high to low in each state. The scores associated with the top 20 male examinees and top 20 female examinees are used to identify the candidates in each state. When ties occur in the cut off score, more than 20 persons of that gender are selected in that state.
In addition, each Chief State School Officer (CSSO) may nominate ten male and ten female candidates based on their outstanding scholarship, residing in the CSSO's jurisdiction.
Additionally, the program is partnering with several recognition organizations that will each nominate up to 40 candidates from their individual programs.
That especially makes sense when you consider who DC's chief state school officer currently is ...
Jennie Niles serves as Deputy Mayor for Education (DME) in Washington, DC. ... Niles is the founder and former head of school of the acclaimed and award-winning E.L. Haynes Public Charter School.
Of course, IMHO, none of this takes anything away from any of the student candidates. Indeed, having candidates selected beyond just raw test scores is a great way of ensuring the pool of potential Presidential Scholars will be strong in all sorts of different ways. Many paths to success.
Oh that is a fantastic aspect of the program (though the Niles part is downright ... classic DC). Thanks for posting.
I knew I smelled a rat. Ha!
Anonymous
01/25/2018 15:01
Subject: 2018 U.S. Presidential Scholar Candidates from DC Private Schools
The list of 2018 candidates for the U.S. Presidential Scholars Program has been published.
Note that this honor -- unlike the National Merit Semifinalists (NMSF) -- is chosen based on the State (or the District) in which you live, and not the State (or District) in which your school is located. And while NMSF is selected based on your PSAT score from October of Junior year, the U.S. Presidential Scholars are chosen based on your highest SAT or ACT scores.
"The U.S. Department of Education then looks at test records for the top 30 males and top 30 females in each of the states/jurisdictions. For each examinee, the SAT score is converted to the ACT Sum of Scores, according to a concordance table. Each individual examinee's highest test score (in a single test administration ) is identified, and duplicates and/or lower scores are dropped."
https://www2.ed.gov/programs/psp/select.html
By way of explanation, in most large, and/or competitive States (e.g., California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, and Virginia), you can assume that the top 30 males and the top 30 females in those States will all have earned a perfect 1600 SAT score (or concordance tables will equate that with a perfect 36 ACT score). In fact there will be more than 30 individuals in those States who earned either a 1600 SAT score or a 36 ACT score, and all of them will be U.S. Presidential Scholars candidates. In the District, some smaller (e.g., Wyoming) and/or less competitive States (e.g., Arkansas) the top 30 SAT scores may/will likely dip below a perfect 1600 (and thus accordingly will the qualifying ACT score based on concordance tables). So, for example, DC might have 12 female students per year earning a perfect 1600, 17 earning a 1590, and with 1 spot still available, any female student earning a 1580 would also be a candidate. Also, for some reason, a majority of candidates from each State (or the District) qualify for the U.S. Presidential Scholars Program on the basis of their ACT scores.
Finally, the candidates selected for artistic merit, through a different qualifying process, will not be introduced into the list until the Semifinalist level in April.
"Arts candidates enter the Presidential Scholars Program selection process at the semifinalist level. In April, the Commission on Presidential Scholars makes the final selection of up to 20 Presidential Scholars in the Arts."
https://www2.ed.gov/programs/psp/select.html
I put this explanation in to say that each of the following DC private schools have many excellent students who do not make the list. (Spoken from experience as a few years ago my DC was NMSF in a DC private school (we live in Maryland). DC took the SAT one time, earned a 2390/2400 and was done, but that was not a high enough score for U.S. Presidential Scholars Program.
When going through the private school list, please note that you will have to review the names from DC, Maryland, and Virginia, to get complete numbers. Also, one name from Georgetown Day School appears twice on the DC list, and I omitted the second reference from my tally.
Edmund Burke School -- 4
Georgetown Day School -- 8
Georgetown Visitation Preparatory School -- 1
Gonzaga College High School -- 1
Maret School -- 4
National Cathedral School -- 6
St. Albans School -- 6
Sidwell Friends School -- 7
Washington International School -- 2
https://www2.ed.gov/programs/psp/2018/candidates.pdf
I only listed the private schools in DC itself, but please feel free to add the DC public schools and private schools in Maryland and Virginia.
Note that this honor -- unlike the National Merit Semifinalists (NMSF) -- is chosen based on the State (or the District) in which you live, and not the State (or District) in which your school is located. And while NMSF is selected based on your PSAT score from October of Junior year, the U.S. Presidential Scholars are chosen based on your highest SAT or ACT scores.
"The U.S. Department of Education then looks at test records for the top 30 males and top 30 females in each of the states/jurisdictions. For each examinee, the SAT score is converted to the ACT Sum of Scores, according to a concordance table. Each individual examinee's highest test score (in a single test administration ) is identified, and duplicates and/or lower scores are dropped."
https://www2.ed.gov/programs/psp/select.html
By way of explanation, in most large, and/or competitive States (e.g., California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, and Virginia), you can assume that the top 30 males and the top 30 females in those States will all have earned a perfect 1600 SAT score (or concordance tables will equate that with a perfect 36 ACT score). In fact there will be more than 30 individuals in those States who earned either a 1600 SAT score or a 36 ACT score, and all of them will be U.S. Presidential Scholars candidates. In the District, some smaller (e.g., Wyoming) and/or less competitive States (e.g., Arkansas) the top 30 SAT scores may/will likely dip below a perfect 1600 (and thus accordingly will the qualifying ACT score based on concordance tables). So, for example, DC might have 12 female students per year earning a perfect 1600, 17 earning a 1590, and with 1 spot still available, any female student earning a 1580 would also be a candidate. Also, for some reason, a majority of candidates from each State (or the District) qualify for the U.S. Presidential Scholars Program on the basis of their ACT scores.
Finally, the candidates selected for artistic merit, through a different qualifying process, will not be introduced into the list until the Semifinalist level in April.
"Arts candidates enter the Presidential Scholars Program selection process at the semifinalist level. In April, the Commission on Presidential Scholars makes the final selection of up to 20 Presidential Scholars in the Arts."
https://www2.ed.gov/programs/psp/select.html
I put this explanation in to say that each of the following DC private schools have many excellent students who do not make the list. (Spoken from experience as a few years ago my DC was NMSF in a DC private school (we live in Maryland). DC took the SAT one time, earned a 2390/2400 and was done, but that was not a high enough score for U.S. Presidential Scholars Program.
When going through the private school list, please note that you will have to review the names from DC, Maryland, and Virginia, to get complete numbers. Also, one name from Georgetown Day School appears twice on the DC list, and I omitted the second reference from my tally.
Edmund Burke School -- 4
Georgetown Day School -- 8
Georgetown Visitation Preparatory School -- 1
Gonzaga College High School -- 1
Maret School -- 4
National Cathedral School -- 6
St. Albans School -- 6
Sidwell Friends School -- 7
Washington International School -- 2
https://www2.ed.gov/programs/psp/2018/candidates.pdf
I only listed the private schools in DC itself, but please feel free to add the DC public schools and private schools in Maryland and Virginia.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 14:55
Subject: 2018 U.S. Presidential Scholar Candidates from DC Private Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The EL Haynes number is surprising in light of the school’s past performance.
EL Haynes Pres Scholars # / NMSF #
2014 0 / 0
2015 0 / 0
2016 0 / 0
2017 1 / 0
2018 8 / 0
Perhaps Haynes should tell DCPS and DCPCS what secret sauce it used this year! I’m sure others would want to know.
For the general category, in addition to the top 20 male and female SAT scorers (plus more for ties) in each state, the chief state school officer gets to nominate another 10 males and 10 females. Plus, there are some partnered recognition groups that are able to nominate 40 of their participants. There are also scholars chosen for the arts program and the career/technical education program that do not use SAT scores for nomination.
I think that's the answer, PP. From the US Dept of Education website:
The combined file of scores from the top male examinees and top female examinees are then ranked from high to low in each state. The scores associated with the top 20 male examinees and top 20 female examinees are used to identify the candidates in each state. When ties occur in the cut off score, more than 20 persons of that gender are selected in that state.
In addition, each Chief State School Officer (CSSO) may nominate ten male and ten female candidates based on their outstanding scholarship, residing in the CSSO's jurisdiction.
Additionally, the program is partnering with several recognition organizations that will each nominate up to 40 candidates from their individual programs.
That especially makes sense when you consider who DC's chief state school officer currently is ...
Jennie Niles serves as Deputy Mayor for Education (DME) in Washington, DC. ... Niles is the founder and former head of school of the acclaimed and award-winning E.L. Haynes Public Charter School.
Of course, IMHO, none of this takes anything away from any of the student candidates. Indeed, having candidates selected beyond just raw test scores is a great way of ensuring the pool of potential Presidential Scholars will be strong in all sorts of different ways. Many paths to success.
Oh that is a fantastic aspect of the program (though the Niles part is downright ... classic DC). Thanks for posting.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 14:49
Subject: Re:2018 U.S. Presidential Scholar Candidates from DC Private Schools
Anonymous wrote:I know this is a post in the DC private school forum, but scrolling down the MD list, there are an impressive number of kids coming from Blair HS.
Agree - the Blair numbers are really impressive
Anonymous
01/25/2018 14:40
Subject: Re:2018 U.S. Presidential Scholar Candidates from DC Private Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ONLY 1 FROM 42k holton arms?
Definitely not the most rigorous school in md. Lol
Writes someone whose DD wasn't accepted. LOL
Anonymous
01/25/2018 14:36
Subject: 2018 U.S. Presidential Scholar Candidates from DC Private Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The EL Haynes number is surprising in light of the school’s past performance.
EL Haynes Pres Scholars # / NMSF #
2014 0 / 0
2015 0 / 0
2016 0 / 0
2017 1 / 0
2018 8 / 0
Perhaps Haynes should tell DCPS and DCPCS what secret sauce it used this year! I’m sure others would want to know.
For the general category, in addition to the top 20 male and female SAT scorers (plus more for ties) in each state, the chief state school officer gets to nominate another 10 males and 10 females. Plus, there are some partnered recognition groups that are able to nominate 40 of their participants. There are also scholars chosen for the arts program and the career/technical education program that do not use SAT scores for nomination.
I think that's the answer, PP. From the US Dept of Education website:
The combined file of scores from the top male examinees and top female examinees are then ranked from high to low in each state. The scores associated with the top 20 male examinees and top 20 female examinees are used to identify the candidates in each state. When ties occur in the cut off score, more than 20 persons of that gender are selected in that state.
In addition, each Chief State School Officer (CSSO) may nominate ten male and ten female candidates based on their outstanding scholarship, residing in the CSSO's jurisdiction.
Additionally, the program is partnering with several recognition organizations that will each nominate up to 40 candidates from their individual programs.
That especially makes sense when you consider who DC's chief state school officer currently is ...
Jennie Niles serves as Deputy Mayor for Education (DME) in Washington, DC. ... Niles is the founder and former head of school of the acclaimed and award-winning E.L. Haynes Public Charter School.
Of course, IMHO, none of this takes anything away from any of the student candidates. Indeed, having candidates selected beyond just raw test scores is a great way of ensuring the pool of potential Presidential Scholars will be strong in all sorts of different ways. Many paths to success.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 14:27
Subject: 2018 U.S. Presidential Scholar Candidates from DC Private Schools
Anonymous wrote:The EL Haynes number is surprising in light of the school’s past performance.
EL Haynes Pres Scholars # / NMSF #
2014 0 / 0
2015 0 / 0
2016 0 / 0
2017 1 / 0
2018 8 / 0
Perhaps Haynes should tell DCPS and DCPCS what secret sauce it used this year! I’m sure others would want to know.
For the general category, in addition to the top 20 male and female SAT scorers (plus more for ties) in each state, the chief state school officer gets to nominate another 10 males and 10 females. Plus, there are some partnered recognition groups that are able to nominate 40 of their participants. There are also scholars chosen for the arts program and the career/technical education program that do not use SAT scores for nomination.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 13:57
Subject: Re:2018 U.S. Presidential Scholar Candidates from DC Private Schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ONLY 1 FROM 42k holton arms?
Definitely not the most rigorous school in md. Lol
But they are in Maryland and not DC, correct? Most of those kids are from MD or VA. The reason so many privates in DC do well is because most publics suck, there aren't as many kids, and they pick 60 kids total for each state/jurisdiction. At least that is how our school explained it (not Holton.)
Anonymous
01/25/2018 13:45
Subject: Re:2018 U.S. Presidential Scholar Candidates from DC Private Schools
I know this is a post in the DC private school forum, but scrolling down the MD list, there are an impressive number of kids coming from Blair HS.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 12:59
Subject: 2018 U.S. Presidential Scholar Candidates from DC Private Schools
Anonymous wrote:The EL Haynes number is surprising in light of the school’s past performance.
EL Haynes Pres Scholars # / NMSF #
2014 0 / 0
2015 0 / 0
2016 0 / 0
2017 1 / 0
2018 8 / 0
Perhaps Haynes should tell DCPS and DCPCS what secret sauce it used this year! I’m sure others would want to know.
I really, really hope that this is a "Stand and Deliver" moment. Does any other school have almost 13% of the senior class meet the SAT/ACT cut off for Presidential Scholars?