Anonymous
Post 01/23/2018 14:47     Subject: Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall
The wall is a waste of time and money, the Korean DMZ is filled with mines, walls, barb wire, and heavily armed soldiers on both sides. People STILL get through it once every blue moon. A wall on the mexican border will not do anything.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2018 14:44     Subject: Re:Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall
Anonymous wrote:Schumer is posturing after the backlash he got from the left wing and the Hispanic caucus.

The optics of shutting the government to grant amnesty to illegals will not sell well in much of America other than the left wing.


Huge majority of Americans want Dreamers to stay in US: poll
https://nypost.com/2018/01/11/huge-majority-of-americans-want-dreamers-to-stay-in-us-poll/
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2018 14:43     Subject: Re:Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Schumer is posturing after the backlash he got from the left wing and the Hispanic caucus.

The optics of shutting the government to grant amnesty to illegals will not sell well in much of America other than the left wing.

If Schumer withdrew the offer on the wall, then why shouldn't McConnell withdraw the offer to debate DACA to avoid a shitdown?


Why don't you tell McConnell your idea? He might even use it for his rationale for why there won't be a debate and vote on immigration in the next three weeks.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2018 14:42     Subject: Re:Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Schumer is posturing after the backlash he got from the left wing and the Hispanic caucus.

The optics of shutting the government to grant amnesty to illegals will not sell well in much of America other than the left wing.

If Schumer withdrew the offer on the wall, then why shouldn't McConnell withdraw the offer to debate DACA to avoid a shitdown?



Because the Wall has nothing to do with DACA and offering up money is part of a negotiation, but the promise made was to debate and vote on DACA.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2018 14:42     Subject: Re:Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Schumer is posturing after the backlash he got from the left wing and the Hispanic caucus.

The optics of shutting the government to grant amnesty to illegals will not sell well in much of America other than the left wing.

If Schumer withdrew the offer on the wall, then why shouldn't McConnell withdraw the offer to debate DACA to avoid a shitdown?

Oops...meant shutdown, but I suppose the first could apply too.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2018 14:41     Subject: Re:Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall
Anonymous wrote:Schumer is posturing after the backlash he got from the left wing and the Hispanic caucus.

The optics of shutting the government to grant amnesty to illegals will not sell well in much of America other than the left wing.


About as good as the optics of shutting down the government to get rid of obamacare, I reckon.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2018 14:41     Subject: Re:Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall
Anonymous wrote:Schumer is posturing after the backlash he got from the left wing and the Hispanic caucus.

The optics of shutting the government to grant amnesty to illegals will not sell well in much of America other than the left wing.


The optics of building the wall with US Taxpayer dollars is less popular than authorizing DACA.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2018 14:41     Subject: Re:Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall
Anonymous wrote:Schumer is posturing after the backlash he got from the left wing and the Hispanic caucus.

The optics of shutting the government to grant amnesty to illegals will not sell well in much of America other than the left wing.

If Schumer withdrew the offer on the wall, then why shouldn't McConnell withdraw the offer to debate DACA to avoid a shitdown?
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2018 14:39     Subject: Re:Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall
Schumer is posturing after the backlash he got from the left wing and the Hispanic caucus.

The optics of shutting the government to grant amnesty to illegals will not sell well in much of America other than the left wing.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2018 14:38     Subject: Re:Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nobody thinks this wall is a good idea, especially if US taxpayer dollars are paying for it. So the next confrontation can be over the wall--which will be less politically sensitive for the swing state Dems than DACA. Smart!


The wall was the cornerstone of Trump's campaign from day one. He was elected in part from this promise. There are millions upon millions that think it is a good idea. His downside with his base is tremendous if he does not build it. He will.

That wasn’t his only promise, he also promised that such a wall would *not* be paid for by the American taxpayer and in fact would be paid for by Mexico.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2018 14:37     Subject: Re:Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nobody thinks this wall is a good idea, especially if US taxpayer dollars are paying for it. So the next confrontation can be over the wall--which will be less politically sensitive for the swing state Dems than DACA. Smart!


The wall was the cornerstone of Trump's campaign from day one. He was elected in part from this promise. There are millions upon millions that think it is a good idea. His downside with his base is tremendous if he does not build it. He will.


Those millions upon millions of people have never fished the gulf coast.

Anonymous
Post 01/23/2018 14:36     Subject: Re:Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nobody thinks this wall is a good idea, especially if US taxpayer dollars are paying for it. So the next confrontation can be over the wall--which will be less politically sensitive for the swing state Dems than DACA. Smart!


The wall was the cornerstone of Trump's campaign from day one. He was elected in part from this promise. There are millions upon millions that think it is a good idea. His downside with his base is tremendous if he does not build it. He will.



There are also millions upon millions who seriously think the earth is flat. it doesn't make them right.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2018 14:34     Subject: Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Looks like he pulled a McConnell!

Seriously, who wasn't expecting this? Even the Democrats are not that spineless, bless their hearts.

So when Ttump reneges, he's "jello," and when the Dema renege, they are congratulated for having a spine?


What did Schumer re-neg on? That was an offer for a different negotiation to avoid a shut-down. Once the the government closed, it all re-sets.

Basic negotiations.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2018 14:33     Subject: Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall
Anonymous wrote:Schumer and the democrats never expected to have to pony up ANY cash for a wall. This move is just an attempt to take the heat of their failure and try to stick it on Trump.


Except that the money conceded during the cheeseburger meeting was real. Pass Graham-Durbin and get 2B+ for border security- it was a veto proof offer and Trump (or Miller or Kelly) torpedoed it.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2018 14:32     Subject: Re:Schumer withdraws offer on Trump's wall
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nobody thinks this wall is a good idea, especially if US taxpayer dollars are paying for it. So the next confrontation can be over the wall--which will be less politically sensitive for the swing state Dems than DACA. Smart!


The wall was the cornerstone of Trump's campaign from day one. He was elected in part from this promise. There are millions upon millions that think it is a good idea. His downside with his base is tremendous if he does not build it. He will.


Eh, half his base knows, or "knows", that the wall was only symbolic.