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Anonymous wrote:Isn't it possible that after a generation or two of two-income households, people are placing more importance on having a parent stay home with their kids? And yes, there is a natural and biological proclivity for that stay at home parent to be the woman. You can argue whether that is right or wrong, but the data support that conclusion.

Why is it considered "equality in retreat" if a woman wants to stay home with her kids? My wife was raised by a single professional woman and had a successful professional career herself. And now she is out of the workforce, as a stay at home parent. That hardly puts her in retreat or gender inequality.

I agree with this, although not every women steps out of the workforce by choice. But it is true that many people saw what the rat race was doing to themselves and their families and chose a different way to live that was better for them. The inequity is that no everyone has this option. But when two working professionals make a mutual choice for their family to drop to one income, I think that it is unsound to suggest that this is gender inequity.

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Anonymous wrote:huh? I'm a millennial married to a millennial. The men I know and the man I married fully support women's rights. Men do chores, they make half the income, they're great fathers and supportive parents. Our father's generation (boomers) and our grandfather's generation (born in 20s) didn't do any of this. The world is changing!

I do know quite a few women though who complain about their lazy husbands, but raise lazy sons too. They just don't see the disconnect that they're raising someone's future lazy husband.

I do know quite a few women though who complain about their lazy husbands not realizing they are complaining about things no one else cares about. They spend time doing things no else cares about act like martyrs. They just don't realize this insisting other people should be doing stuff only they want done someone's else's nagging wife.


On a serious note, this "lazyhusband" stuff is simply stupid. Has it occured to you you may really do a lot things only you care about then play martyr. Most women complaining are full of crap.

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Anonymous wrote:huh? I'm a millennial married to a millennial. The men I know and the man I married fully support women's rights. Men do chores, they make half the income, they're great fathers and supportive parents. Our father's generation (boomers) and our grandfather's generation (born in 20s) didn't do any of this. The world is changing!

I do know quite a few women though who complain about their lazy husbands, but raise lazy sons too. They just don't see the disconnect that they're raising someone's future lazy husband.

+1 This.

I'm 31 and a WOHM. I've never felt that there has ever been any unequal division of labor in our home. And yes, we live in DC, we have two small children, and we both work FT outside the home (so it's not like he telecommutes and is able to throw on laundry and dinner).

That is wonderful for you. I mean that very sincerely.

But can you consider for a second that your personal experience is not shared by everyone?

The research has demonstrated over and over again the differential in how much time women and men spend, on average, on household labor. Further, when researchers have looked at why the differential is less than it used to be, they're finding that it's less about men stepping up to the plate more (they have some, but not by huge amounts), but rather by woman finding other ways to outsource the work (online shopping, cleaning services, etc.). Plenty of people will attribute this continuing differential to women choosing to work less or be SAHMs, but when researchers have looked into those dynamics more closely, they have found that more often than not, it's the greater demands at home pushing women into working (and earning) less than their male counterparts (who aren't stepping up at home to make sure everyone's needs are taken care of), not women taking on more of the household work because they decided they wanted to work less.

So again, I'm happy for you that this has not been your experience. But please do not minimize what research shows is the experience of an awful lot of women in this country just because they don't match your own.

Immediate PP here. Of course. My father was a lazy ass growing up, and my poor mother suffered mightily for it. I never said that these issues don't exist in homes.

What I am saying is that I do believe that much of it is generational. A lot of the women I know who have husbands like this are around 40 or older, rather than 30.

A lot of the 30 yo millennials who think they did so much better than the women ten years older than them don’t have kids yet and haven’t seen what that can do to a marriage. Plenty of the 40-something women now complaining about their husbands thought they had equal marriages ten years ago too.

Well, aren't you snide! Enjoy your lazy husband.

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I believe the seeds of this message germinate in our homes

The linked to article mentions no causes except lack of paid maternity leave.

Anonymous wrote:huh? I'm a millennial married to a millennial. The men I know and the man I married fully support women's rights. Men do chores, they make half the income, they're great fathers and supportive parents. Our father's generation (boomers) and our grandfather's generation (born in 20s) didn't do any of this. The world is changing!

I do know quite a few women though who complain about their lazy husbands, but raise lazy sons too. They just don't see the disconnect that they're raising someone's future lazy husband.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:huh? I'm a millennial married to a millennial. The men I know and the man I married fully support women's rights. Men do chores, they make half the income, they're great fathers and supportive parents. Our father's generation (boomers) and our grandfather's generation (born in 20s) didn't do any of this. The world is changing!

I do know quite a few women though who complain about their lazy husbands, but raise lazy sons too. They just don't see the disconnect that they're raising someone's future lazy husband.

+1 This.

I'm 31 and a WOHM. I've never felt that there has ever been any unequal division of labor in our home. And yes, we live in DC, we have two small children, and we both work FT outside the home (so it's not like he telecommutes and is able to throw on laundry and dinner).

That is wonderful for you. I mean that very sincerely.

But can you consider for a second that your personal experience is not shared by everyone?

The research has demonstrated over and over again the differential in how much time women and men spend, on average, on household labor. Further, when researchers have looked at why the differential is less than it used to be, they're finding that it's less about men stepping up to the plate more (they have some, but not by huge amounts), but rather by woman finding other ways to outsource the work (online shopping, cleaning services, etc.). Plenty of people will attribute this continuing differential to women choosing to work less or be SAHMs, but when researchers have looked into those dynamics more closely, they have found that more often than not, it's the greater demands at home pushing women into working (and earning) less than their male counterparts (who aren't stepping up at home to make sure everyone's needs are taken care of), not women taking on more of the household work because they decided they wanted to work less.

So again, I'm happy for you that this has not been your experience. But please do not minimize what research shows is the experience of an awful lot of women in this country just because they don't match your own.

Immediate PP here. Of course. My father was a lazy ass growing up, and my poor mother suffered mightily for it. I never said that these issues don't exist in homes.

What I am saying is that I do believe that much of it is generational. A lot of the women I know who have husbands like this are around 40 or older, rather than 30.

Anonymous wrote:Isn't it possible that after a generation or two of two-income households, people are placing more importance on having a parent stay home with their kids? And yes, there is a natural and biological proclivity for that stay at home parent to be the woman. You can argue whether that is right or wrong, but the data support that conclusion.

Why is it considered "equality in retreat" if a woman wants to stay home with her kids? My wife was raised by a single professional woman and had a successful professional career herself. And now she is out of the workforce, as a stay at home parent. That hardly puts her in retreat or gender inequality.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:huh? I'm a millennial married to a millennial. The men I know and the man I married fully support women's rights. Men do chores, they make half the income, they're great fathers and supportive parents. Our father's generation (boomers) and our grandfather's generation (born in 20s) didn't do any of this. The world is changing!

I do know quite a few women though who complain about their lazy husbands, but raise lazy sons too. They just don't see the disconnect that they're raising someone's future lazy husband.

+1 This.

I'm 31 and a WOHM. I've never felt that there has ever been any unequal division of labor in our home. And yes, we live in DC, we have two small children, and we both work FT outside the home (so it's not like he telecommutes and is able to throw on laundry and dinner).

That is wonderful for you. I mean that very sincerely.

But can you consider for a second that your personal experience is not shared by everyone?

The research has demonstrated over and over again the differential in how much time women and men spend, on average, on household labor. Further, when researchers have looked at why the differential is less than it used to be, they're finding that it's less about men stepping up to the plate more (they have some, but not by huge amounts), but rather by woman finding other ways to outsource the work (online shopping, cleaning services, etc.). Plenty of people will attribute this continuing differential to women choosing to work less or be SAHMs, but when researchers have looked into those dynamics more closely, they have found that more often than not, it's the greater demands at home pushing women into working (and earning) less than their male counterparts (who aren't stepping up at home to make sure everyone's needs are taken care of), not women taking on more of the household work because they decided they wanted to work less.

So again, I'm happy for you that this has not been your experience. But please do not minimize what research shows is the experience of an awful lot of women in this country just because they don't match your own.

Immediate PP here. Of course. My father was a lazy ass growing up, and my poor mother suffered mightily for it. I never said that these issues don't exist in homes.

What I am saying is that I do believe that much of it is generational. A lot of the women I know who have husbands like this are around 40 or older, rather than 30.

A lot of the 30 yo millennials who think they did so much better than the women ten years older than them don’t have kids yet and haven’t seen what that can do to a marriage. Plenty of the 40-something women now complaining about their husbands thought they had equal marriages ten years ago too.

Anonymous wrote:Somehow, IMO, the message that mothers and daughters are inferior to fathers and sons is getting louder and the roots are spreading and deepening. I believe the seeds of this message germinate in our homes, and then society. If we are serious about erasing gender inequality, we have to stop and take inventory of our behavior at home - and assess how those norms may be inadvertently sending our DH and DC the wrong messages.

A recent report by The World Economic Forum says that "equality is in retreat" for the first time since the group starting tracking the issue in 2006. The report, which examines gender imbalances in economics and the workplace, education, politics and health, found that years of global gains made by women are beginning to erode.

The U.S. slipped four spots to 49th out of 144 countries. It now ranks behind countries including the United Kingdom (15th), Australia (35th) and Bangladesh (47th). Back in 2006, the U.S. was in the 23rd spot. Here's the ranking of the best 10 countries for gender equality:

1. Iceland
2. Norway
3. Finland
4. Rwanda
5. Sweden
6. Nicaragua
7. Slovenia
8. Ireland
9. New Zealand
10. Philippines




http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/02/news/gender-gap-inequality/index.html

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:huh? I'm a millennial married to a millennial. The men I know and the man I married fully support women's rights. Men do chores, they make half the income, they're great fathers and supportive parents. Our father's generation (boomers) and our grandfather's generation (born in 20s) didn't do any of this. The world is changing!

I do know quite a few women though who complain about their lazy husbands, but raise lazy sons too. They just don't see the disconnect that they're raising someone's future lazy husband.

+1 This.

I'm 31 and a WOHM. I've never felt that there has ever been any unequal division of labor in our home. And yes, we live in DC, we have two small children, and we both work FT outside the home (so it's not like he telecommutes and is able to throw on laundry and dinner).

That is wonderful for you. I mean that very sincerely.

But can you consider for a second that your personal experience is not shared by everyone?

The research has demonstrated over and over again the differential in how much time women and men spend, on average, on household labor. Further, when researchers have looked at why the differential is less than it used to be, they're finding that it's less about men stepping up to the plate more (they have some, but not by huge amounts), but rather by woman finding other ways to outsource the work (online shopping, cleaning services, etc.). Plenty of people will attribute this continuing differential to women choosing to work less or be SAHMs, but when researchers have looked into those dynamics more closely, they have found that more often than not, it's the greater demands at home pushing women into working (and earning) less than their male counterparts (who aren't stepping up at home to make sure everyone's needs are taken care of), not women taking on more of the household work because they decided they wanted to work less.

So again, I'm happy for you that this has not been your experience. But please do not minimize what research shows is the experience of an awful lot of women in this country just because they don't match your own.

Immediate PP here. Of course. My father was a lazy ass growing up, and my poor mother suffered mightily for it. I never said that these issues don't exist in homes.

What I am saying is that I do believe that much of it is generational. A lot of the women I know who have husbands like this are around 40 or older, rather than 30.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:huh? I'm a millennial married to a millennial. The men I know and the man I married fully support women's rights. Men do chores, they make half the income, they're great fathers and supportive parents. Our father's generation (boomers) and our grandfather's generation (born in 20s) didn't do any of this. The world is changing!

I do know quite a few women though who complain about their lazy husbands, but raise lazy sons too. They just don't see the disconnect that they're raising someone's future lazy husband.

+1 This.

I'm 31 and a WOHM. I've never felt that there has ever been any unequal division of labor in our home. And yes, we live in DC, we have two small children, and we both work FT outside the home (so it's not like he telecommutes and is able to throw on laundry and dinner).

That is wonderful for you. I mean that very sincerely.

But can you consider for a second that your personal experience is not shared by everyone?

The research has demonstrated over and over again the differential in how much time women and men spend, on average, on household labor. Further, when researchers have looked at why the differential is less than it used to be, they're finding that it's less about men stepping up to the plate more (they have some, but not by huge amounts), but rather by woman finding other ways to outsource the work (online shopping, cleaning services, etc.). Plenty of people will attribute this continuing differential to women choosing to work less or be SAHMs, but when researchers have looked into those dynamics more closely, they have found that more often than not, it's the greater demands at home pushing women into working (and earning) less than their male counterparts (who aren't stepping up at home to make sure everyone's needs are taken care of), not women taking on more of the household work because they decided they wanted to work less.

So again, I'm happy for you that this has not been your experience. But please do not minimize what research shows is the experience of an awful lot of women in this country just because they don't match your own.

Anonymous wrote:Somehow, IMO, the message that mothers and daughters are inferior to fathers and sons is getting louder and the roots are spreading and deepening. I believe the seeds of this message germinate in our homes, and then society. If we are serious about erasing gender inequality, we have to stop and take inventory of our behavior at home - and assess how those norms may be inadvertently sending our DH and DC the wrong messages.

A recent report by The World Economic Forum says that "equality is in retreat" for the first time since the group starting tracking the issue in 2006. The report, which examines gender imbalances in economics and the workplace, education, politics and health, found that years of global gains made by women are beginning to erode.

The U.S. slipped four spots to 49th out of 144 countries. It now ranks behind countries including the United Kingdom (15th), Australia (35th) and Bangladesh (47th). Back in 2006, the U.S. was in the 23rd spot. Here's the ranking of the best 10 countries for gender equality:

1. Iceland
2. Norway
3. Finland
4. Rwanda
5. Sweden
6. Nicaragua
7. Slovenia
8. Ireland
9. New Zealand
10. Philippines

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/02/news/gender-gap-inequality/index.html

Anonymous wrote:Isn't it possible that after a generation or two of two-income households, people are placing more importance on having a parent stay home with their kids? And yes, there is a natural and biological proclivity for that stay at home parent to be the woman. You can argue whether that is right or wrong, but the data support that conclusion.

Why is it considered "equality in retreat" if a woman wants to stay home with her kids? My wife was raised by a single professional woman and had a successful professional career herself. And now she is out of the workforce, as a stay at home parent. That hardly puts her in retreat or gender inequality.

Anonymous wrote:Somehow, IMO, the message that mothers and daughters are inferior to fathers and sons is getting louder and the roots are spreading and deepening. I believe the seeds of this message germinate in our homes, and then society. If we are serious about erasing gender inequality, we have to stop and take inventory of our behavior at home - and assess how those norms may be inadvertently sending our DH and DC the wrong messages.

A recent report by The World Economic Forum says that "equality is in retreat" for the first time since the group starting tracking the issue in 2006. The report, which examines gender imbalances in economics and the workplace, education, politics and health, found that years of global gains made by women are beginning to erode.

The U.S. slipped four spots to 49th out of 144 countries. It now ranks behind countries including the United Kingdom (15th), Australia (35th) and Bangladesh (47th). Back in 2006, the U.S. was in the 23rd spot. Here's the ranking of the best 10 countries for gender equality:

1. Iceland
2. Norway
3. Finland
4. Rwanda
5. Sweden
6. Nicaragua
7. Slovenia
8. Ireland
9. New Zealand
10. Philippines

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/02/news/gender-gap-inequality/index.html