Anonymous
Post 12/03/2017 12:09     Subject: Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a liberal and I don't agree with welfare fraud or support generational welfare. But this thread is about children's health insurance - how to make sure kids get health care when their parents can't afford it. Kids don't stay kids forever.


And this is the nub of the issue. Why can't their parents afford it? If it is a case of genuine hardship, we should provide the help but there are parents who don't want to work and are themselves on welfare and it merely compound the problem.


So child should be punished because of their parents? Wow. You are an asshole.


If parents produce children they are responsible for taking care of the children and that includes getting a fu*king job and saying that the children should not be allowed to suffer lets the parents off and just compounds the problem.

I know specific instances where parents are able to work but don't do so because they can collect welfare and all one does is to foster a dependency type of society. Your response is the reason why conservatives accuse liberals of just fostering a dependency society.


And if that child's parents don't get a job? And that child is ill? What then? Let them die im the gutter?

I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus. I am not worried about "fostering dependency." I am worried about turning a blind eye to defenseless people in need - ESPECIALLY children. People with attitudes like yours make me SICK. Nothing more tham a dirty selfish money changer.

I know I am supposed to try to love all people but you and your ilk are a bridge too far for me. I cannot fathom how you can type this garbage with sincerity, much less believe it
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2017 12:07     Subject: Re:Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP
They've been living there for DECADES.


Anonymous
Post 12/03/2017 12:06     Subject: Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a liberal and I don't agree with welfare fraud or support generational welfare. But this thread is about children's health insurance - how to make sure kids get health care when their parents can't afford it. Kids don't stay kids forever.


And this is the nub of the issue. Why can't their parents afford it? If it is a case of genuine hardship, we should provide the help but there are parents who don't want to work and are themselves on welfare and it merely compound the problem.


I guess you don't remember the welfare reform of the mid 1990's. Pretty much there aren't "welfare queens" anymore. And even when there were, there weren't:

https://www.salon.com/2015/09/27/ronald_reagans_welfare_queen_myth_how_the_gipper_kickstarted_the_war_on_the_working_poor/




What? No welfare queens anymore? Are you kidding me? Are you closing your eyes?


Anonymous
Post 12/03/2017 12:05     Subject: Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP
Aren't a lot of these people going be in Trump-voting states? Karma.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2017 12:04     Subject: Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a liberal and I don't agree with welfare fraud or support generational welfare. But this thread is about children's health insurance - how to make sure kids get health care when their parents can't afford it. Kids don't stay kids forever.


And this is the nub of the issue. Why can't their parents afford it? If it is a case of genuine hardship, we should provide the help but there are parents who don't want to work and are themselves on welfare and it merely compound the problem.


So child should be punished because of their parents? Wow. You are an asshole.


Omg after I was in a car accident my kids went on chip until I could walk and use my arms again.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2017 12:03     Subject: Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a liberal and I don't agree with welfare fraud or support generational welfare. But this thread is about children's health insurance - how to make sure kids get health care when their parents can't afford it. Kids don't stay kids forever.


And this is the nub of the issue. Why can't their parents afford it? If it is a case of genuine hardship, we should provide the help but there are parents who don't want to work and are themselves on welfare and it merely compound the problem.


So child should be punished because of their parents? Wow. You are an asshole.


If parents produce children they are responsible for taking care of the children and that includes getting a fu*king job and saying that the children should not be allowed to suffer lets the parents off and just compounds the problem.

I know specific instances where parents are able to work but don't do so because they can collect welfare and all one does is to foster a dependency type of society. Your response is the reason why conservatives accuse liberals of just fostering a dependency society.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2017 12:03     Subject: Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a liberal and I don't agree with welfare fraud or support generational welfare. But this thread is about children's health insurance - how to make sure kids get health care when their parents can't afford it. Kids don't stay kids forever.


And this is the nub of the issue. Why can't their parents afford it? If it is a case of genuine hardship, we should provide the help but there are parents who don't want to work and are themselves on welfare and it merely compound the problem.


So child should be punished because of their parents? Wow. You are an asshole.




So tax payers should be punished because of these same "parents"?




Well, if you view helping defenseless children as punishment, you are an asshole. Hope you like it hot. There's a special place in hell for the likes of you.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2017 12:01     Subject: Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a liberal and I don't agree with welfare fraud or support generational welfare. But this thread is about children's health insurance - how to make sure kids get health care when their parents can't afford it. Kids don't stay kids forever.


And this is the nub of the issue. Why can't their parents afford it? If it is a case of genuine hardship, we should provide the help but there are parents who don't want to work and are themselves on welfare and it merely compound the problem.


So child should be punished because of their parents? Wow. You are an asshole.




So tax payers should be punished because of these same "parents"?


Anonymous
Post 12/03/2017 12:01     Subject: Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But he's good with the tax plan benefiting the rich passive investor (as opposed to the rich working person).

Apparently the quote during debate was:

“[L]et me tell you something: we’re going to do CHIP. There’s no question about it in my mind. It’s got to be done the right way. But we, the reason CHIP’s having trouble is because we don’t have money anymore.”

Hatch went on to condemn the idea of “more and more spending.” After praising the “terrific job” CHIP has done for families who need help, he immediately added, “I have a rough time wanting to spend billions and billions and trillions of dollars to help people who won’t help themselves – won’t lift a finger – and expect the federal government to do everything.”

Why don't we propose legislation to put all those CHIP kids to work in coal mines? And we could have a special provision for the coal mine owners that they pay no tax at all!


Why would anyone disagree with what is shown in bold?


That's not what CHIP is. That's my disagreement with what Hatch just said.

CHIP is children's health insurance. It's not helping people who won't lift a finger.

Don't they get Medicaid? We have three insurance programs to give care to poor and low income (free if they can't afford it): Medicaid, Obamacare, and CHIP. Do we really need all three? If people aren't poor enough for Medicaid, then they get free care through Obamacare. We don't need CHIP, too.



CHIP IS a Medicaid program. Jesus Christ, if you don't know what the fuck you are talking about just STFU.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2017 11:59     Subject: Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why won't those poor kids with cancer get a freakin job?


Poor kids with cancer?

No, but how about the 35 year olds sitting in a condo/apartment watching Oprah and soaps all day in the government section-8 high rises (and their families, and the previous generation of that family) get a job?


Those aren't the people getting chip, dumbass. Another Trumpsters who can't read
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2017 11:59     Subject: Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But he's good with the tax plan benefiting the rich passive investor (as opposed to the rich working person).

Apparently the quote during debate was:

“[L]et me tell you something: we’re going to do CHIP. There’s no question about it in my mind. It’s got to be done the right way. But we, the reason CHIP’s having trouble is because we don’t have money anymore.”

Hatch went on to condemn the idea of “more and more spending.” After praising the “terrific job” CHIP has done for families who need help, he immediately added, “I have a rough time wanting to spend billions and billions and trillions of dollars to help people who won’t help themselves – won’t lift a finger – and expect the federal government to do everything.”

Why don't we propose legislation to put all those CHIP kids to work in coal mines? And we could have a special provision for the coal mine owners that they pay no tax at all!


Why would anyone disagree with what is shown in bold?


That's not what CHIP is. That's my disagreement with what Hatch just said.

CHIP is children's health insurance. It's not helping people who won't lift a finger.

Don't they get Medicaid? We have three insurance programs to give care to poor and low income (free if they can't afford it): Medicaid, Obamacare, and CHIP. Do we really need all three? If people aren't poor enough for Medicaid, then they get free care through Obamacare. We don't need CHIP, too.

Anonymous
Post 12/03/2017 11:56     Subject: Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a liberal and I don't agree with welfare fraud or support generational welfare. But this thread is about children's health insurance - how to make sure kids get health care when their parents can't afford it. Kids don't stay kids forever.


And this is the nub of the issue. Why can't their parents afford it? If it is a case of genuine hardship, we should provide the help but there are parents who don't want to work and are themselves on welfare and it merely compound the problem.


So child should be punished because of their parents? Wow. You are an asshole.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2017 11:56     Subject: Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a liberal and I don't agree with welfare fraud or support generational welfare. But this thread is about children's health insurance - how to make sure kids get health care when their parents can't afford it. Kids don't stay kids forever.[/quote

Of course this thread is about children's health insurance. Far be it from you to EVER ask for more individual responsibility. Just grow money on trees or take it from "the rich" for what ever you want.

When the rich no longer exist, then re-define "the rich" to lower and lower incomes. ANYTHING to keep the welfare state going. ANYTHING.


So we should punish kids for their parents’ decisions by taking away their healthcare or require kids to work work it?
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2017 11:56     Subject: Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a liberal and I don't agree with welfare fraud or support generational welfare. But this thread is about children's health insurance - how to make sure kids get health care when their parents can't afford it. Kids don't stay kids forever.


And this is the nub of the issue. Why can't their parents afford it? If it is a case of genuine hardship, we should provide the help but there are parents who don't want to work and are themselves on welfare and it merely compound the problem.


I guess you don't remember the welfare reform of the mid 1990's. Pretty much there aren't "welfare queens" anymore. And even when there were, there weren't:

https://www.salon.com/2015/09/27/ronald_reagans_welfare_queen_myth_how_the_gipper_kickstarted_the_war_on_the_working_poor/

Anonymous
Post 12/03/2017 11:54     Subject: Orrin Hatch is tired of funding CHIP
To the fuckwit who keep harping on lazy 35 year olds, maybe READ about who is eligible for CHIP.

https://www.medicaid.gov/chip/eligibility-standards/index.html

CHILDREN UP TO AGE 19

They don't get a say in who their parents are.

Go rot in hell.