I don't know what planet you are on PP to keep insisting that Spacey did not know that this boy was a child.

He looks at the oldest maybe seventh grade.

Quit excusing a child predator.

I bet if Rapp was a girl who looked (and was known to be) that young you would have a completely different attitude. You are excusing Spacey because he is gay and Rapp was a teen hoy. You fell for Spacey's big "announcement" hook link and sinker.

It's more pederasty than pedophilia. Not excusing it. It's just that they are seen as different things. Pederasty is attraction to pubescent children. Pedophilia is attraction to pre-pubescent children.

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Anonymous wrote:Very manipulative and sneaky. He is trying to bury the story of his pedophilic assault on that boy with what he hopes is a bigger story of him coming out.

This.

He shouldn't get a pass just because he's coming out.

Yeah, that wasn't cool. Made the statement all about him. Not about the victim.

Anonymous wrote:There’s definitely a PP on this thread who is trying hard to make grown ups being sexually attracted to children seem like a normal thing.

And you seem very invested in finding pedophilia where you can. I'm sorry for whatever you experienced that brought you to that worldview.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope he doesn't get a pass since he's gay. Pedophilia is pedophilia.

This wouldn't be pedophilia and doesn't have any signs that Spacey is a pedophile.

He sexually assaulted a teen.

Whatever. Not a big difference in my opinion. Assaulting anyone is wrong. Assaulting a teen is even worse IMHO...and says something about the attacker. A 14 year old is a kid.

Again, I hope this isn't spun differently and the media takes a lighter touch because "he has the courage to come out." Spacey doesn't deserve a free pass.

I'm not giving Spacey a pass on the incident, but if we're going to throw around terms like pedophile, context matters. A 26-year-old at a late-night party with a 14-year-old who may have looked older than he was, it's entirely possible Spacey didn't appreciate how young Rapp was at the time. It's not like Spacey was hanging around the local roller rink trying to pick up teens, the teen was in an adult context, which may have created an assumption that he was at least 17/18.

I further think that, given the context, you're doing Rapp and other victims a disservice by injecting the term pedophile into the discussion. Spacey's behavior would be wrong whether Rapp was 14 or 24 at the time, but now you've created a whole separate line of debate where people will end up defending Spacey against pedophilia accusations rather than focusing on the improper conduct itself. You've turned Spacey from a perpetrator of sexual assault into a victim of defamation. Good job.

Sorry but you are dead wrong.

What you just wrote is the equivalent of saying "Well the context is that the high school girl at the frat party looked and dressed older than she was so of course it was a fair assumption for the guy to assume she was legal." That is asinine. In fact, it is worse because the high school girl at the frat party and the frat boy are most like both teenagers, or at most a single digit age spread. Spacey was an adult man of at least twelve years older than this eighth grader. So yes, that makes him a child predator. This is not defamation. This is a fact.

If he was a recognized child actor on Broadway then Spacey knew he was a child.

If you look at pictures of him from the time, he clearly looked like a child and in fact, looked younger than his age.

Just because he is gay and liberal does not give Spacey a pass for being a predator.

I will continue to disagree with you and your analogy. If Rapp had gone to the police at the time and Spacey had been charged with statutory rape based on Rapp's age, I would not have disagreed with that charge. That is not the same thing, though, as assuming that Spacey targeted Rapp specifically because he knew Rapp was underage (which is a key element of pedophilia, you're specifically targeting children because they are children). The same is true in your example, if the 14-year-old goes to a frat party or a bar with a fake id and has sex with someone there, the of-age person is guilty of statutory rape, but that doesn't mean the of-age person targeted the younger teen due to her young age as opposed to assuming she was of-age as well.

Taking a step back from this particular case, can we at least agree on the notion that an adult might mistake a younger teen for someone is over the age of legal consent, and thus engaged in a sexual act with them that constitutes statutory rape without is also being a case of pedophilia? If we can agree on that, then we can debate whether it's credible that Spacey might not have appreciated how young Rapp was at the time. If we can't agree on that notion in the abstract, though, there's no sense in discussing this any further.

There’s definitely a PP on this thread who is trying hard to make grown ups being sexually attracted to children seem like a normal thing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope he doesn't get a pass since he's gay. Pedophilia is pedophilia.

This wouldn't be pedophilia and doesn't have any signs that Spacey is a pedophile.

He sexually assaulted a teen.

Whatever. Not a big difference in my opinion. Assaulting anyone is wrong. Assaulting a teen is even worse IMHO...and says something about the attacker. A 14 year old is a kid.

Again, I hope this isn't spun differently and the media takes a lighter touch because "he has the courage to come out." Spacey doesn't deserve a free pass.

I'm not giving Spacey a pass on the incident, but if we're going to throw around terms like pedophile, context matters. A 26-year-old at a late-night party with a 14-year-old who may have looked older than he was, it's entirely possible Spacey didn't appreciate how young Rapp was at the time. It's not like Spacey was hanging around the local roller rink trying to pick up teens, the teen was in an adult context, which may have created an assumption that he was at least 17/18.

I further think that, given the context, you're doing Rapp and other victims a disservice by injecting the term pedophile into the discussion. Spacey's behavior would be wrong whether Rapp was 14 or 24 at the time, but now you've created a whole separate line of debate where people will end up defending Spacey against pedophilia accusations rather than focusing on the improper conduct itself. You've turned Spacey from a perpetrator of sexual assault into a victim of defamation. Good job.

Rapp did not even look 14 at the time this incident occurred.



Definitely not the case of Spacey mistaking him for a 17/18 year old.

I doubt he wore those glasses to the party. Immediately after Precious Sons, Rapp began filming Adventures in Babysitting (he played Daryl). He definitely passes for late teens in that movie.

You're suspiciously invested in denying that this is obviously, with or without glasses, a young teen, obviously underage, obviously inappropriate to approach sexually.

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Anonymous wrote:I read the story and I think it entirely plausible that he can't recall an incident that occurred when he was 26 while he was drunk.

If you can’t recall the time that, as a grown man, you jumped on top of a child in a sexual manner, it kind of suggests that this wasn’t a big deal for you. That it was maybe something you did with frequency.

If you were black-out drunk, you may not remember making advances on anyone. Or should we assume that any woman who can't remember being raped because she was black-out drunk wasn't really raped, because you'd remember something like that?

He did not claim he was black out drunk. Most drunk people are not blacked out.

Also, even when black out drunk, I would not jump on top of a child in a sexual manner. In fact, I have been black out drunk, and I can say with certainty I have never sexually assaulted a child. Guess how I know? As an adult, I’m not and have never been sexually attracted to children.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope he doesn't get a pass since he's gay. Pedophilia is pedophilia.

This wouldn't be pedophilia and doesn't have any signs that Spacey is a pedophile.

He sexually assaulted a teen.

Whatever. Not a big difference in my opinion. Assaulting anyone is wrong. Assaulting a teen is even worse IMHO...and says something about the attacker. A 14 year old is a kid.

Again, I hope this isn't spun differently and the media takes a lighter touch because "he has the courage to come out." Spacey doesn't deserve a free pass.

I'm not giving Spacey a pass on the incident, but if we're going to throw around terms like pedophile, context matters. A 26-year-old at a late-night party with a 14-year-old who may have looked older than he was, it's entirely possible Spacey didn't appreciate how young Rapp was at the time. It's not like Spacey was hanging around the local roller rink trying to pick up teens, the teen was in an adult context, which may have created an assumption that he was at least 17/18.

I further think that, given the context, you're doing Rapp and other victims a disservice by injecting the term pedophile into the discussion. Spacey's behavior would be wrong whether Rapp was 14 or 24 at the time, but now you've created a whole separate line of debate where people will end up defending Spacey against pedophilia accusations rather than focusing on the improper conduct itself. You've turned Spacey from a perpetrator of sexual assault into a victim of defamation. Good job.

Sorry but you are dead wrong.

What you just wrote is the equivalent of saying "Well the context is that the high school girl at the frat party looked and dressed older than she was so of course it was a fair assumption for the guy to assume she was legal." That is asinine. In fact, it is worse because the high school girl at the frat party and the frat boy are most like both teenagers, or at most a single digit age spread. Spacey was an adult man of at least twelve years older than this eighth grader. So yes, that makes him a child predator. This is not defamation. This is a fact.

If he was a recognized child actor on Broadway then Spacey knew he was a child.

If you look at pictures of him from the time, he clearly looked like a child and in fact, looked younger than his age.

Just because he is gay and liberal does not give Spacey a pass for being a predator.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope he doesn't get a pass since he's gay. Pedophilia is pedophilia.

This wouldn't be pedophilia and doesn't have any signs that Spacey is a pedophile.

He sexually assaulted a teen.

Whatever. Not a big difference in my opinion. Assaulting anyone is wrong. Assaulting a teen is even worse IMHO...and says something about the attacker. A 14 year old is a kid.

Again, I hope this isn't spun differently and the media takes a lighter touch because "he has the courage to come out." Spacey doesn't deserve a free pass.

I'm not giving Spacey a pass on the incident, but if we're going to throw around terms like pedophile, context matters. A 26-year-old at a late-night party with a 14-year-old who may have looked older than he was, it's entirely possible Spacey didn't appreciate how young Rapp was at the time. It's not like Spacey was hanging around the local roller rink trying to pick up teens, the teen was in an adult context, which may have created an assumption that he was at least 17/18.

I further think that, given the context, you're doing Rapp and other victims a disservice by injecting the term pedophile into the discussion. Spacey's behavior would be wrong whether Rapp was 14 or 24 at the time, but now you've created a whole separate line of debate where people will end up defending Spacey against pedophilia accusations rather than focusing on the improper conduct itself. You've turned Spacey from a perpetrator of sexual assault into a victim of defamation. Good job.

Gee, pp...were the hotel room meetings of Harvey Weinstein and actresses on the same level? I mean, Harvey might not have appreciated their unwillingness to his advances given the adult context of the hotel bedroom. SMDH.

Did you actually read my post before adding your knee-jerk response? I said Spacey doesn't get a pass on his behavior here, his behavior toward Rapp was wrong regardless of how old Rapp was.

Did you actually Google the word pedophile?

"He doesn't get a pass, BUT context matters..."

Give me a break. Rapp was clearly a child. Probably just about to hit puberty (I have sons, and I can tell you that 14 is still a child). Go ahead a defend Spacey if you like (you already did). I'll continue to throw rocks because his behavior is inexcusable. I doubt it was an isolated incident. Let's see if anyone else accuses him.

Art imitating life, Spacey actually was Keyser Söze all along!

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Anonymous wrote:I read the story and I think it entirely plausible that he can't recall an incident that occurred when he was 26 while he was drunk.

If you can’t recall the time that, as a grown man, you jumped on top of a child in a sexual manner, it kind of suggests that this wasn’t a big deal for you. That it was maybe something you did with frequency.

If you were black-out drunk, you may not remember making advances on anyone. Or should we assume that any woman who can't remember being raped because she was black-out drunk wasn't really raped, because you'd remember something like that?

Anonymous wrote:I read the story and I think it entirely plausible that he can't recall an incident that occurred when he was 26 while he was drunk.

If you can’t recall the time that, as a grown man, you jumped on top of a child in a sexual manner, it kind of suggests that this wasn’t a big deal for you. That it was maybe something you did with frequency.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope he doesn't get a pass since he's gay. Pedophilia is pedophilia.

This wouldn't be pedophilia and doesn't have any signs that Spacey is a pedophile.

He sexually assaulted a teen.

Whatever. Not a big difference in my opinion. Assaulting anyone is wrong. Assaulting a teen is even worse IMHO...and says something about the attacker. A 14 year old is a kid.

Again, I hope this isn't spun differently and the media takes a lighter touch because "he has the courage to come out." Spacey doesn't deserve a free pass.

I'm not giving Spacey a pass on the incident, but if we're going to throw around terms like pedophile, context matters. A 26-year-old at a late-night party with a 14-year-old who may have looked older than he was, it's entirely possible Spacey didn't appreciate how young Rapp was at the time. It's not like Spacey was hanging around the local roller rink trying to pick up teens, the teen was in an adult context, which may have created an assumption that he was at least 17/18.

I further think that, given the context, you're doing Rapp and other victims a disservice by injecting the term pedophile into the discussion. Spacey's behavior would be wrong whether Rapp was 14 or 24 at the time, but now you've created a whole separate line of debate where people will end up defending Spacey against pedophilia accusations rather than focusing on the improper conduct itself. You've turned Spacey from a perpetrator of sexual assault into a victim of defamation. Good job.

Gee, pp...were the hotel room meetings of Harvey Weinstein and actresses on the same level? I mean, Harvey might not have appreciated their unwillingness to his advances given the adult context of the hotel bedroom. SMDH.

Did you actually read my post before adding your knee-jerk response? I said Spacey doesn't get a pass on his behavior here, his behavior toward Rapp was wrong regardless of how old Rapp was.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope he doesn't get a pass since he's gay. Pedophilia is pedophilia.

This wouldn't be pedophilia and doesn't have any signs that Spacey is a pedophile.

He sexually assaulted a teen.

Whatever. Not a big difference in my opinion. Assaulting anyone is wrong. Assaulting a teen is even worse IMHO...and says something about the attacker. A 14 year old is a kid.

Again, I hope this isn't spun differently and the media takes a lighter touch because "he has the courage to come out." Spacey doesn't deserve a free pass.

I'm not giving Spacey a pass on the incident, but if we're going to throw around terms like pedophile, context matters. A 26-year-old at a late-night party with a 14-year-old who may have looked older than he was, it's entirely possible Spacey didn't appreciate how young Rapp was at the time. It's not like Spacey was hanging around the local roller rink trying to pick up teens, the teen was in an adult context, which may have created an assumption that he was at least 17/18.

I further think that, given the context, you're doing Rapp and other victims a disservice by injecting the term pedophile into the discussion. Spacey's behavior would be wrong whether Rapp was 14 or 24 at the time, but now you've created a whole separate line of debate where people will end up defending Spacey against pedophilia accusations rather than focusing on the improper conduct itself. You've turned Spacey from a perpetrator of sexual assault into a victim of defamation. Good job.

Rapp did not even look 14 at the time this incident occurred.



Definitely not the case of Spacey mistaking him for a 17/18 year old.

I doubt he wore those glasses to the party. Immediately after Precious Sons, Rapp began filming Adventures in Babysitting (he played Daryl). He definitely passes for late teens in that movie.