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Anonymous wrote:My son is having similar issue. We are getting him screened for ADHD- inattentive.

At this age it's the course load or the school. Seriously you're just looking for drugs to solve the problem.

Do you always try to diagnose people over the internet? Amazing.

Not the PP you are referring but everyone else seems content with diagnosing the OP's kid with ADD. I disagree that course load takes that long, but it is insane how overly diagnosed ADD is. You need to teach kids how to focus. No one does that anymore. There is no determiniation and grit. We live in a world on constant immediate gratification and our brains are not given anything to learn how to focus. There are no more study skills classes. No more looking thru encyclopedias and card catalogues. Kids have all this immediate access on computers and they have 10 windows open with half on social media. There is no more focus. The kids aren't born this way. It is learned.

You are incredibly smug for someone so ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:My son is having similar issue. We are getting him screened for ADHD- inattentive.

At this age it's the course load or the school. Seriously you're just looking for drugs to solve the problem.

Do you always try to diagnose people over the internet? Amazing.

Not the PP you are referring but everyone else seems content with diagnosing the OP's kid with ADD. I disagree that course load takes that long, but it is insane how overly diagnosed ADD is. You need to teach kids how to focus. No one does that anymore. There is no determiniation and grit. We live in a world on constant immediate gratification and our brains are not given anything to learn how to focus. There are no more study skills classes. No more looking thru encyclopedias and card catalogues. Kids have all this immediate access on computers and they have 10 windows open with half on social media. There is no more focus. The kids aren't born this way. It is learned.

My daughter is at a rigorous private and spends 2-3hrs max on HW. Most nights it is 2hrs.

OP here, thanks for the advice. She's been at the same Big 7 since 4th grade and this issue has just recently emerged. I recently did go ahead and get for screened (from a reputable doctor) for ADHD, and the doctor said she has very little chance of it, and her scores were abnormally good. Maybe it has to do with anxiety? I switched her to downstairs this week so we'll see how that works.

OP, Can you tell us a little about her MS?

One of our kids went to a private HS the other to a competitive public magnet.

We saw similar amounts of effort/homework while they caught up/learned what they needed to do to keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:My son is having similar issue. We are getting him screened for ADHD- inattentive.

At this age it's the course load or the school. Seriously you're just looking for drugs to solve the problem.

Not necessarily. I have SEVERE ADD - Inattentive. I was regularly up until the middle of the night with HS course work. My senior year I took 5 different AP subjects and got 5's on them all (so it wasn't an intelligence issue) but I had terrible focus. I was not diagnosed until I was almost done with college, when one of my friends pointed out that while I understood material, I clearly jumped around topics as I spoke, zoned out, and otherwise regularly demonstrated a lack of focus. It was not regularly apparent before because everyone just assumed that I was distracted because I understood the material and was bored in HS. I just compensated through school with a high IQ, but I would have really excelled if people had realized that I had ADD earlier.

Same story for me, except it never occurred to me that I might have ADHD until my kids were diagnosed. I went to rigorous privates and a top college and did hours and hours of homework every night, by which I mean I spent a little time actually executing and the rest of the time day dreaming. My life was easier the more it was organized by outside factors like sports and classes with a ton of nightly homework. I was very compliant so if I had to do something, i did it. But long term-projects, even writing assignments, total lack of focus, stress, always catching up.

To the parents of kids like that, I do wish someone had picked up on this and helped me out. I managed to get good grades, do well in college and even get advanced degrees. The fact that I wasted sooooo much time in the process isn't even what bothers me now (though in all honestly, I spent much more time day dreaming than studying). It's that life after college is really unstructured and really hard and I didn't have the skills to cope. Basically, I was "fine" (slow and very anxious) relying on my smarts until I lost the structure that school provides. It is very hard for me to juggle normal life.

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Anonymous wrote:My son is having similar issue. We are getting him screened for ADHD- inattentive.

At this age it's the course load or the school. Seriously you're just looking for drugs to solve the problem.

Um, no. If the kid is truly ADHD, you dont' necessarily need meds but you do need accommodations. Do you seriously think 8 hours of homework per night is ok?? No way.

OP, do you actually know what she's doing?

If she is actually working, is she doing a lot of unnecessary labor, like taking detailed notes on her textbooks (essentially rewriting them vs. jotting down a point or two)?

I don't jump to LD. I teach college, and I have had students over the years who are so anxious about their grades they add work -- it almost becomes ritualistic to guard against failure. When I started, I was amazed at the study skills of these students, but it didn't always pay off, either.

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Anonymous wrote:Try moving her computer to the kitchen table instead of a desk in her room.

Worked wonders for our teen.

+100

Agree!!

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Anonymous wrote:My son is having similar issue. We are getting him screened for ADHD- inattentive.

At this age it's the course load or the school. Seriously you're just looking for drugs to solve the problem.

Do you always try to diagnose people over the internet? Amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:My son is having similar issue. We are getting him screened for ADHD- inattentive.

At this age it's the course load or the school. Seriously you're just looking for drugs to solve the problem.

Not necessarily. I have SEVERE ADD - Inattentive. I was regularly up until the middle of the night with HS course work. My senior year I took 5 different AP subjects and got 5's on them all (so it wasn't an intelligence issue) but I had terrible focus. I was not diagnosed until I was almost done with college, when one of my friends pointed out that while I understood material, I clearly jumped around topics as I spoke, zoned out, and otherwise regularly demonstrated a lack of focus. It was not regularly apparent before because everyone just assumed that I was distracted because I understood the material and was bored in HS. I just compensated through school with a high IQ, but I would have really excelled if people had realized that I had ADD earlier.

Another vote for ADHD inattentive

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Anonymous wrote:Specifically, it's a processing speed issue.
But it's largely diagnosed with inattentive ADHD.

Please get her evaluated by a reputable psychologist.

My son has inattentive ADHD and very low processing speed, and his ADHD medication makes him work much faster, that is, nearly up to average speed.

The OP already did that. She needs to drop a class or needs to do homework at the dining room table. Kid's are goofing off on their phones or the computer and not doing what they're supposed to be doing.

I said a reputable psychologist, which automatically rules out anything the school offers.
I recommend testing again with Stixrud or similar. This is NOT normal and needs to be resolved ASAP.

Where did OP say it was done through the school?

OP did not specify, which is why I'm insisting on this important fact.

But you still could be completely off base. So OP took her kid's phone away and made her block "distracting sites." For all we know the kid still have a messaging app on her computer she uses to chat with her friends and has only blocked the three distracting sites that her mother knows about. So she's goofing around on her computer all evening, and then when she thinks she going to get into trouble for staying up to late, claims "too much homework." OP doesn't have nearly enough information yet for her, you or anyone else to know what the problem is. Not all kids have the same issues, so it's not helpful to insist on seeing them all through the same lens.

Agreed, but it's important to eliminate the most serious diagnoses first, and one evaluation might not cut it (we had to have two for DS before getting to the real issues, which is how we found out the varying quality of psychologists). ADHD is a common but serious disorder, which needs time and effort to evaluate, diagnose, treat and manage, whereas distractions and shenanigans are more easily addressed. Also, being irresponsible to such a degree is unusual and can also be a symptom of anomalous distractibility.

I'd love to be off-base, PP. ADHD is not fun.

By the time a kid is nearly a freshman, it's pretty obvious. ADHD is not that hard to determine through testing and it doesn't emerge overnight.

Not necessarily true that it's obvious before freshman year. Some kids are really good at compensating until the high school workload overwhelms them and then it becomes clear something is going on. And this kid has already had testing, so something was going on before this.

+1 It is not at all rare for inattentive ADHD to go undiagnosed until high school (or later) if a kid is highly intelligent & hard working. This is particularly common among females.

https://www.chesapeakeadd.com/giftedadhd-high-achievers-with-adhd-ch

https://www.chesapeakeadd.com/working-with-gifted-adults-with-adhd

https://www.chesapeakeadd.com/adhd-often-missed-in-girls

https://www.chesapeakeadd.com/women-and-adhd

This is not normal. My daughter is in a scholarship program at school and she does her homework before she leaves every day. Occasionally she will study for a test in the evenings, but she spends most of her after school hours playing her flute.

My dd was taking forever to do her homework the first year she had her phone. I take her phone while she does homework, and I encourage her to do homework in the kitchen and surprise surprise she is completing homework faster.

Letting your kid do homework while keeping her phone is similar to parents letting a kid do homework while watching tv when we were kids.