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Uh. You know DREAMERs pay tuition, right? They aren't allowed to get federal student aid, but schools can give them their school-specific aid. Only students with US citizenship can get federal aid money.

My gosh, if you're going to complain about immigrants and financial aid, at least do some basic reading about how things work.

The problem is that, as with many students, there are people in CA who only see a few of the public universities as "respectable" options. There's probably room for every CA student who wants to go to college to go...but they all can't go to Cal and UCLA.

Tell me where a DREAMER comes up with $25,000 year for Berkeley? They don't, it's free.

They check the DACA box and don't claim any family income or assets on financial aid forms -- boom, full-boat financial aid.

+1 yep

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Anonymous wrote:I think the wealth disparity is more evident at UVA than other major state flagships like UMich and Cal. That is not to say that those schools have wealth disparities. There is a southern planter-y air at UVA which contrasts o the feel of Michigan, Cal and UCLA.

All that said, can Michigan leverage UMich to jump start its economy?

I meant to say that those schools have wealth disparities, but it does not play out like UVA. I grew up in NE. A lot of prep school kids went there whereas the others had more socio-economic diversity.

This entry gets today's award for least-self-observant poster. "Twenty or thirty years ago mummy and daddy had so much money that I got to attend Phillips Exeter (which is now $61K a year). Some of those prep school students went to UVA. Ergo, UVA is for the wealthy". Unbelievable. Ever think that maybe those kids were on scholarship? or had the scores to attend?

UVA has more rich kids than Berkeley or Michigan.

Source please? Since I have a kid there, I'm dying to know where this "rich kids" are.

UVA as a state flagship cannot by definition be inundated with wealthy kids. Admission is strictly merit, as you know, with the very rare exception of a mommy or daddy who gives $1M. You must have the test scores to get in and a string of impressive accomplishments. Here is President Teresa Sullivan's remarks at convocation for the class of 2021. Thirty eight percent of the students are participating in the University’s AccessUVA financial-aid program and 570 are the first in their families to go to college. Please don't comment when you don't know anything about the school.

It's irresponsible of you to make claims without substantiation and hurt the reputation of a fine institution trying to reach out to international students, (73 countries); students of color; students of no means (my kid); students from all the other states, URMs, the financially needy, and the first-generation kids.
https://news.virginia.edu/content/messages-unity-e...t-greet-class-2021-convocation

School Percent of undergraduates receiving Pell Grants

University of California--Los Angeles
Los Angeles, CA
37%
University of California--Berkeley
Berkeley, CA
33%
Columbia University
New York, NY
32%
Emory University
Atlanta, GA
23%
University of Southern California
Los Angeles, CA
23%
Harvard University
Cambridge, MA
18%
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Cambridge, MA
17%
Brown University
Providence, RI
16%
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY
16%
University of Pennsylvania
Philadelphia, PA
16%
Northwestern University
Evanston, IL
15%
Princeton University
Princeton, NJ
15%
Rice University
Houston, TX
15%
Stanford University
Stanford, CA
15%
Dartmouth College
Hanover, NH
14%
Vanderbilt University
Nashville, TN
14%
Yale University
New Haven, CT
14%
California Institute of Technology
Pasadena, CA
13%
Duke University
Durham, NC
13%
Georgetown University
Washington, DC
12%
Johns Hopkins University
Baltimore, MD
12%
University of Chicago
Chicago, IL
11%
University of Notre Dame
Notre Dame, IN
10%
Washington University in St. Louis
St. Louis, MO
9%

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/economic-diversity-among-top-ranked-schools

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the wealth disparity is more evident at UVA than other major state flagships like UMich and Cal. That is not to say that those schools have wealth disparities. There is a southern planter-y air at UVA which contrasts o the feel of Michigan, Cal and UCLA.

All that said, can Michigan leverage UMich to jump start its economy?

I meant to say that those schools have wealth disparities, but it does not play out like UVA. I grew up in NE. A lot of prep school kids went there whereas the others had more socio-economic diversity.

This entry gets today's award for least-self-observant poster. "Twenty or thirty years ago mummy and daddy had so much money that I got to attend Phillips Exeter (which is now $61K a year). Some of those prep school students went to UVA. Ergo, UVA is for the wealthy". Unbelievable. Ever think that maybe those kids were on scholarship? or had the scores to attend?

UVA has more rich kids than Berkeley or Michigan.

Source please? Since I have a kid there, I'm dying to know where this "rich kids" are.

UVA as a state flagship cannot by definition be inundated with wealthy kids. Admission is strictly merit, as you know, with the very rare exception of a mommy or daddy who gives $1M. You must have the test scores to get in and a string of impressive accomplishments. Here is President Teresa Sullivan's remarks at convocation for the class of 2021. Thirty eight percent of the students are participating in the University’s AccessUVA financial-aid program and 570 are the first in their families to go to college. Please don't comment when you don't know anything about the school.

It's irresponsible of you to make claims without substantiation and hurt the reputation of a fine institution trying to reach out to international students, (73 countries); students of color; students of no means (my kid); students from all the other states, URMs, the financially needy, and the first-generation kids.
https://news.virginia.edu/content/messages-unity-e...t-greet-class-2021-convocation

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the wealth disparity is more evident at UVA than other major state flagships like UMich and Cal. That is not to say that those schools have wealth disparities. There is a southern planter-y air at UVA which contrasts o the feel of Michigan, Cal and UCLA.

All that said, can Michigan leverage UMich to jump start its economy?

I meant to say that those schools have wealth disparities, but it does not play out like UVA. I grew up in NE. A lot of prep school kids went there whereas the others had more socio-economic diversity.

This entry gets today's award for least-self-observant poster. "Twenty or thirty years ago mummy and daddy had so much money that I got to attend Phillips Exeter (which is now $61K a year). Some of those prep school students went to UVA. Ergo, UVA is for the wealthy". Unbelievable. Ever think that maybe those kids were on scholarship? or had the scores to attend?

UVA has more rich kids than Berkeley or Michigan.

Not true. Look at the stats for financial aid students and first family member to ever attend college. Source please.

Anonymous wrote:Proves UVA is a regional university. Nobody in the Midwest or in New England or out West dreams of attending UVA. Berkeley and Michigan and UCLA have clout -- UVA just doesn't.

I also don't understand Emory's top 20 spot. We toured Emory and it seemed to be lacking funding.

Emory didn't seem to be lacking funding to me, when we visited last year. It has a $6.5 billion endowment, not the size of Princeton's or Harvard's but definitely one of the larger endowments in the country.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the wealth disparity is more evident at UVA than other major state flagships like UMich and Cal. That is not to say that those schools have wealth disparities. There is a southern planter-y air at UVA which contrasts o the feel of Michigan, Cal and UCLA.

All that said, can Michigan leverage UMich to jump start its economy?

I meant to say that those schools have wealth disparities, but it does not play out like UVA. I grew up in NE. A lot of prep school kids went there whereas the others had more socio-economic diversity.

This entry gets today's award for least-self-observant poster. "Twenty or thirty years ago mummy and daddy had so much money that I got to attend Phillips Exeter (which is now $61K a year). Some of those prep school students went to UVA. Ergo, UVA is for the wealthy". Unbelievable. Ever think that maybe those kids were on scholarship? or had the scores to attend?

UVA has more rich kids than Berkeley or Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the wealth disparity is more evident at UVA than other major state flagships like UMich and Cal. That is not to say that those schools have wealth disparities. There is a southern planter-y air at UVA which contrasts o the feel of Michigan, Cal and UCLA.

All that said, can Michigan leverage UMich to jump start its economy?

I meant to say that those schools have wealth disparities, but it does not play out like UVA. I grew up in NE. A lot of prep school kids went there whereas the others had more socio-economic diversity.

This entry gets today's award for least-self-observant poster. "Twenty or thirty years ago mummy and daddy had so much money that I got to attend Phillips Exeter (which is now $61K a year). Some of those prep school students went to UVA. Ergo, UVA is for the wealthy". Unbelievable. Ever think that maybe those kids were on scholarship? or had the scores to attend?

Anonymous wrote:I think the wealth disparity is more evident at UVA than other major state flagships like UMich and Cal. That is not to say that those schools have wealth disparities. There is a southern planter-y air at UVA which contrasts o the feel of Michigan, Cal and UCLA.

All that said, can Michigan leverage UMich to jump start its economy?

No. Michigan is dependent on a highly cyclical, mature industry that is consolidating.

UVA as a state flagship cannot by definition be inundated with wealthy kids. Admission is strictly merit, as you know, with the very rare exception of a mommy or daddy who gives $1M. You must have the test scores to get in and a string of impressive accomplishments. Here is President Teresa Sullivan's remarks at convocation for the class of 2021. Thirty eight percent of the students are participating in the University’s AccessUVA financial-aid program and 570 are the first in their families to go to college. Please don't comment when you don't know anything about the school.
You made identical comments in another thread about wealthy students at UVA.
I will now go post this over there.
If necessary, I'll ask Jeff to ban you.
It's irresponsible of you to make claims without substantiation and hurt the reputation of a fine institution trying to reach out to internationsl students, (73 countries); students of color; students of no means (my kid); students from all the other states.
https://news.virginia.edu/content/messages-unity-encouragement-greet-class-2021-convocation

Anonymous wrote:I think the wealth disparity is more evident at UVA than other major state flagships like UMich and Cal. That is not to say that those schools have wealth disparities. There is a southern planter-y air at UVA which contrasts o the feel of Michigan, Cal and UCLA.

All that said, can Michigan leverage UMich to jump start its economy?

I meant to say that those schools have wealth disparities, but it does not play out like UVA. I grew up in NE. A lot of prep school kids went there whereas the others had more socio-economic diversity.

I think the wealth disparity is more evident at UVA than other major state flagships like UMich and Cal. That is not to say that those schools have wealth disparities. There is a southern planter-y air at UVA which contrasts o the feel of Michigan, Cal and UCLA.

All that said, can Michigan leverage UMich to jump start its economy?

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Anonymous wrote:Proves UVA is a regional university. Nobody in the Midwest or in New England or out West dreams of attending UVA. Berkeley and Michigan and UCLA have clout -- UVA just doesn't.

I also don't understand Emory's top 20 spot. We toured Emory and it seemed to be lacking funding.

Then explain how UVA wound up a world-class school on this ranking system for global recognition. http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/671264.page. No one pays attention to WSJ.

UVA is filled with rich kids. It's the least socioeconomically diverse flagship university in the country. The average household income for a student at UVA is the top 19 percentile. No
top public enrolls more students from the top 1%. Couple that with the fact it is one of the larger schools and of course it'll show up.

Those billionaire rankings speak nothing about the institution itself.

Sources please. This is false. Maybe true for Duke, not for UVA, a state school. 93.4% of UVA's class is in the top 10% of their graduating classes, have ACTs 331-34 and GPA of 4.26 or better. And how that equates to wealth? ACtually, UVA's incoming class of 2021 had the largest number of financially challenged students ever, and the largest number of minorities ever. Remember UVA shies away from taking students from the northern part of the state. Most of Virginia is quite poor. I have a student there. He doesn't have a car and probably never will on his parent's dime. He lives in a dorm of four. He has URM classmates. He struggles to get by financially. He doesn't do the greek scene. He's fiscally responsible and he adores UVA. He doesn't know a single "rich kid" student. Please don't post if you don't know what you are talking about.

Ouch for Berkeley. I had no clue that Emory was ranked so high!