Anonymous
09/26/2017 09:13
Subject: Why hrc was right about white women - and their husbands
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/25/white-women-husbands-voting
White women, defend yourselves.
Trump won the majority of white women who voted
“White women more susceptible to pressure from their (mostly white) husbands”
“White women side less with all of womenhood than with their particular husband”
Interesting note:
“The more educated a woman was, the less likely they were to say women being able to support a family was important”
This tracks true with what you see on dcum. The more educated a woman is, the more she places value on male providers
“White women were most likely to dismiss the importance of women being able to support a family”
Translation: white women like being kept women the most and have providers
Overall eval of the above? Bullshit.
And if you had run a similar evaluation about black women the outcry would be deafening.
Had you read the article, you would have realized that black women hold much more independent views than white women based on survey data. That's the whole point of the article - married white women hold incredibly sheltered and paternalistic views about a women's place in the world.
Married white women tend to have different life experiences (economically and socially) than single white women or black women and that certainly affects their political thinking. It has little to do with the woman's place in the world or paternalistic views.
I admit that I was a R when I was young and single, then when I had kids, I turned I then Dem. Life experiences changed my way of thinking. I realized how hard it is to raise children even on a "good" income, and couldn't imagine how even harder it was for lower income parents; schools became more important to me, as did caring about children in general.
Anonymous
09/26/2017 09:12
Subject: Re:Why hrc was right about white women - and their husbands
Anonymous wrote:Hey libs, I would like to continue this discussion, but I need to fix myself breakfast. Excuse me while I call my husband to ask him what I should eat.
Cool, too bad the data doesn't back you up:
While 71% of women polled said it was “very important” for a man to be able to support a family financially, just 41% of women said the same about their own gender. Among white men and women, the number who said it was important for women to be able to support a family was just 27%, compared to 52% among black men and women.
The trend lines are disturbing: across race and education, the groups most likely to be able to support a family on their husband’s income alone – white women, and women of all races with a college degree – were the most likely dismiss the importance of women being able to support a family.
22% of black women said they wanted to hold powerful positions, as compared with just 8% of white women
Using data from the 2012 American National Election Study, her team analyzed responses from more than 2,000 women to the following question: “Do you think that what happens generally to women in this country will have something to do with what happens in your life?” Women who said “yes” were then asked to report the extent to which they felt that was true.
The findings showed unmarried women were significantly more likely than married women to answer yes to the question. And the gaps between how single women and married women answered were largest among white women and Latina women.
Anonymous
09/26/2017 09:11
Subject: Why hrc was right about white women - and their husbands
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/25/white-women-husbands-voting
White women, defend yourselves.
Trump won the majority of white women who voted
“White women more susceptible to pressure from their (mostly white) husbands”
“White women side less with all of womenhood than with their particular husband”
Interesting note:
“The more educated a woman was, the less likely they were to say women being able to support a family was important”
This tracks true with what you see on dcum. The more educated a woman is, the more she places value on male providers
“White women were most likely to dismiss the importance of women being able to support a family”
Translation: white women like being kept women the most and have providers
Overall eval of the above? Bullshit.
And if you had run a similar evaluation about black women the outcry would be deafening.
Had you read the article, you would have realized that black women hold much more independent views than white women based on survey data. That's the whole point of the article - married white women hold incredibly sheltered and paternalistic views about a women's place in the world.
DP.. I am wondering if these differences of opinions are based on the fact that a huge % of black men are in prisons or unemployed, so black women are forced to be independent, and never want to rely on a man, whereas, in the white population, women still have the option to find "providers", though the ones who earn a lot are finding it harder and harder these days, too. But, despiste what some claim, women do generally make less than men, so it's still not that hard to find men who make more than a woman.
Anonymous
09/26/2017 09:09
Subject: Why hrc was right about white women - and their husbands
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/25/white-women-husbands-voting
White women, defend yourselves.
Trump won the majority of white women who voted
“White women more susceptible to pressure from their (mostly white) husbands”
“White women side less with all of womenhood than with their particular husband”
Interesting note:
“The more educated a woman was, the less likely they were to say women being able to support a family was important”
This tracks true with what you see on dcum. The more educated a woman is, the more she places value on male providers
“White women were most likely to dismiss the importance of women being able to support a family”
Translation: white women like being kept women the most and have providers
Overall eval of the above? Bullshit.
And if you had run a similar evaluation about black women the outcry would be deafening.
Had you read the article, you would have realized that black women hold much more independent views than white women based on survey data. That's the whole point of the article - married white women hold incredibly sheltered and paternalistic views about a women's place in the world.
Married white women tend to have different life experiences (economically and socially) than single white women or black women and that certainly affects their political thinking. It has little to do with the woman's place in the world or paternalistic views.
Anonymous
09/26/2017 08:59
Subject: Why hrc was right about white women - and their husbands
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/25/white-women-husbands-voting
White women, defend yourselves.
Trump won the majority of white women who voted
“White women more susceptible to pressure from their (mostly white) husbands”
“White women side less with all of womenhood than with their particular husband”
Interesting note:
“The more educated a woman was, the less likely they were to say women being able to support a family was important”
This tracks true with what you see on dcum. The more educated a woman is, the more she places value on male providers
“White women were most likely to dismiss the importance of women being able to support a family”
Translation: white women like being kept women the most and have providers
Overall eval of the above? Bullshit.
And if you had run a similar evaluation about black women the outcry would be deafening.
Had you read the article, you would have realized that black women hold much more independent views than white women based on survey data. That's the whole point of the article - married white women hold incredibly sheltered and paternalistic views about a women's place in the world.
Anonymous
09/26/2017 08:58
Subject: Why hrc was right about white women - and their husbands
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/25/white-women-husbands-voting
White women, defend yourselves.
Trump won the majority of white women who voted
“White women more susceptible to pressure from their (mostly white) husbands”
“White women side less with all of womenhood than with their particular husband”
Interesting note:
“The more educated a woman was, the less likely they were to say women being able to support a family was important”
This tracks true with what you see on dcum. The more educated a woman is, the more she places value on male providers
“White women were most likely to dismiss the importance of women being able to support a family”
Translation: white women like being kept women the most and have providers
Overall eval of the above? Bullshit.
And if you had run a similar evaluation about black women the outcry would be deafening.
Did you read the article? The evaluation was run on all women. They found that something like 22% of black women wanted to advance their careers, versus about 8% of white women.
Anonymous
09/26/2017 08:57
Subject: Why hrc was right about white women - and their husbands
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously? You just can't admit that women decide for themselves who to vote for? The most sexist attitude of all comes from you liberals who insist white women must have been persuaded, coerced, or bullied into voting for Trump - against their wishes, of course.
If anyone is setting back women, it's the left with their infantilizing of educated white women (and women in general).
It's appalling that you're actually blaming white women for HRC's loss, rather than taking a good, hard, dispassionate look at HRC herself and asking yourselves: why did my candidate lose? And then coming up with the correct answer, all on your own. She lost because she was an unappealing candidate. Own it and move on.
She was unappealing because of sexism. People are less likely to like strong women.
Psst: She was unappealing because Clinton is NOT a strong woman. She can't do anything on her own. She is the very sort of woman who would obey her husband's command to vote a certain way.
I'm a former R, and did not ever support the Clintons. I voted for both Bushes, but one thing I would never say about HRC is that she is a weak woman. No, she is a very strong woman, and though I may not agree with her, that is one thing I have often admired about her.. how tenacious she is. Even Trump admitted to that.
-signed a woman
Anonymous
09/26/2017 08:55
Subject: Why hrc was right about white women - and their husbands
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/25/white-women-husbands-voting
White women, defend yourselves.
Trump won the majority of white women who voted
“White women more susceptible to pressure from their (mostly white) husbands”
“White women side less with all of womenhood than with their particular husband”
Interesting note:
“The more educated a woman was, the less likely they were to say women being able to support a family was important”
This tracks true with what you see on dcum. The more educated a woman is, the more she places value on male providers
“White women were most likely to dismiss the importance of women being able to support a family”
Translation: white women like being kept women the most and have providers
I don't understand that at all. I have a JD precisely so I could always support myself, with fairly regular hours. I grew up with a father who did NOT support us on a regular basis. I would never depend on a man for support.
The only thing I can think of is that most white women with advanced degrees grew up in stable homes and are possibly more likely to trust that men will provide. ??
Maybe it's about how women in general want men who are more educated and earn more than they do. So, an educated woman with a high paying job will want a man who is even more educated or equally so, and earns either about the same or more, ie, good providers.
I will admit that I picked a husband who could provide for the family should I want to stay at home with my kids, which eventually, I did, though I never thought I would.
Back to the topic of thread, it was the suburbs and the middle of the country that supported Trump, and that includes white women. I think race had more to do with it than gender.
Anonymous
09/26/2017 08:53
Subject: Re:Why hrc was right about white women - and their husbands
Anonymous wrote:From the article: "Given the opportunity to make history by electing the first female president, women didn’t take it. And ironically, the women who bore the most resemblance to Clinton – white, heterosexual and married – were less likely to vote for her.”
Did you ever stop to think that maybe it’s because we saw right through her?
We saw who she was and didn’t want it.
We saw what she stood for, and didn’t want it.
I think it’s humorous that these people are still trying to cast blame and make excuses for Hillary’s loss.
It’s simple really. We rejected her and her politics. I know the liberals don’t want to admit that.
No, you were stupid. She stood for progress and equality, diligence and hard work. I'm a heterosexual, happily married, well educated, UMC white woman and I voted for Hillary.
You voted for a treasonous rapist. You must be so proud.
Anonymous
09/26/2017 08:51
Subject: Why hrc was right about white women - and their husbands
Anonymous wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/25/white-women-husbands-voting
White women, defend yourselves.
Trump won the majority of white women who voted
“White women more susceptible to pressure from their (mostly white) husbands”
“White women side less with all of womenhood than with their particular husband”
Interesting note:
“The more educated a woman was, the less likely they were to say women being able to support a family was important”
This tracks true with what you see on dcum. The more educated a woman is, the more she places value on male providers
“White women were most likely to dismiss the importance of women being able to support a family”
Translation: white women like being kept women the most and have providers
Overall eval of the above? Bullshit.
And if you had run a similar evaluation about black women the outcry would be deafening.
Anonymous
09/26/2017 08:49
Subject: Re:Why hrc was right about white women - and their husbands
This is hysterical. White women depend on their husbands to tell them what to do?
LOL! I was a poll worker. A Pakistani couple came in to vote. The husband told me that he needed to sit with his wife so he could tell her how to vote. (This was a written ballot.) I said, "I'm sorry, that is not allowed." (Thinking: don't you know that we don't do that here?"
FWIW. I am a white woman who voted for Trump. I follow politics much more closely than my husband. We both held our noses and voted for Trump. We actually like a lot of things he has done, but would prefer he quit tweeting.
LOL! I was a poll worker. A Pakistani couple came in to vote. The husband told me that he needed to sit with his wife so he could tell her how to vote. (This was a written ballot.) I said, "I'm sorry, that is not allowed." (Thinking: don't you know that we don't do that here?"
FWIW. I am a white woman who voted for Trump. I follow politics much more closely than my husband. We both held our noses and voted for Trump. We actually like a lot of things he has done, but would prefer he quit tweeting.
Anonymous
09/26/2017 08:47
Subject: Why hrc was right about white women - and their husbands
Wealthy white SAHM with a masters degree here. Despise Trump and so does my DH. We weren't super thrilled with Hillary either but we voted for her anyway.
Anonymous
09/26/2017 08:35
Subject: Re:Why hrc was right about white women - and their husbands
Hey libs, I would like to continue this discussion, but I need to fix myself breakfast. Excuse me while I call my husband to ask him what I should eat.
Anonymous
09/26/2017 08:33
Subject: Re:Why hrc was right about white women - and their husbands
Anonymous wrote:I am a white married woman in her 50's and many of my friends are similar. None of us voted for Trump.
First generation of Womyn's Studies nutters.
Anonymous
09/26/2017 08:32
Subject: Why hrc was right about white women - and their husbands
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Seriously? You just can't admit that women decide for themselves who to vote for? The most sexist attitude of all comes from you liberals who insist white women must have been persuaded, coerced, or bullied into voting for Trump - against their wishes, of course.
If anyone is setting back women, it's the left with their infantilizing of educated white women (and women in general).
It's appalling that you're actually blaming white women for HRC's loss, rather than taking a good, hard, dispassionate look at HRC herself and asking yourselves: why did my candidate lose? And then coming up with the correct answer, all on your own. She lost because she was an unappealing candidate. Own it and move on.
She was unappealing because of sexism. People are less likely to like strong women.
Psst: She was unappealing because Clinton is NOT a strong woman. She can't do anything on her own. She is the very sort of woman who would obey her husband's command to vote a certain way.