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Anonymous wrote:I'm on the left and I don't like the vandalism. I would be fine if his statue came down through legal means. I have long thought the holiday was misplaced and should be renamed.

Me too. I'd like to remind people that "liberals" and "the left" aren't monoliths. While we have similar beliefs, we have different means to those ends.

I'm in favor of taking statues down and putting them in a museum or other educational facility. I am not pro-vandalism.

While this is true, I will point out to you that your liberal compatriots and peers have gotten exponentially worse - more extreme, self-righteous, felonious - in just the last year or so.

Which is exactly why I do not count myself in your ranks anymore.

Sure you were. Ha! Keep the laughs coming.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm on the left and I don't like the vandalism. I would be fine if his statue came down through legal means. I have long thought the holiday was misplaced and should be renamed.

Me too. I'd like to remind people that "liberals" and "the left" aren't monoliths. While we have similar beliefs, we have different means to those ends.

I'm in favor of taking statues down and putting them in a museum or other educational facility. I am not pro-vandalism.

Excellent! Keep that in mind when the left labels all Trump supporters racists. I might support some of what Trump is doing, but that doesn't automatically make me a racist jerk.

Except it does.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm on the left and I don't like the vandalism. I would be fine if his statue came down through legal means. I have long thought the holiday was misplaced and should be renamed.

Me too. I'd like to remind people that "liberals" and "the left" aren't monoliths. While we have similar beliefs, we have different means to those ends.

I'm in favor of taking statues down and putting them in a museum or other educational facility. I am not pro-vandalism.

Excellent! Keep that in mind when the left labels all Trump supporters racists. I might support some of what Trump is doing, but that doesn't automatically make me a racist jerk.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm on the left and I don't like the vandalism. I would be fine if his statue came down through legal means. I have long thought the holiday was misplaced and should be renamed.

Me too. I'd like to remind people that "liberals" and "the left" aren't monoliths. While we have similar beliefs, we have different means to those ends.

I'm in favor of taking statues down and putting them in a museum or other educational facility. I am not pro-vandalism.

Serious question: what museum would want those statues? Wouldn't they be vandalized too? I don't like Christopher Columbus but, I also don't agree with vandalism.

A museum that focuses on the real truths about all those European "explorers" instead of the glossy sugar coating BS that was fed to us in grade school. Or it could be a special exhibit at the Native American Indian Museum called "The American Holocaust: Genocide of the Natives". I don't agree with vandalizing public property. However, I'm in full agreement with preserving the history of Christopher Columbus in a museum so that people will learn the truth about his atrocities. Also, that we should never forget the truth about the genocide that took place in North America and the slave trade.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm on the left and I don't like the vandalism. I would be fine if his statue came down through legal means. I have long thought the holiday was misplaced and should be renamed.

Me too. I'd like to remind people that "liberals" and "the left" aren't monoliths. While we have similar beliefs, we have different means to those ends.

I'm in favor of taking statues down and putting them in a museum or other educational facility. I am not pro-vandalism.

While this is true, I will point out to you that your liberal compatriots and peers have gotten exponentially worse - more extreme, self-righteous, felonious - in just the last year or so.

Which is exactly why I do not count myself in your ranks anymore.

There are also many of us who are quietly campaigning for progressive representation in the mid-term election, visiting our current representatives, attending town halls, and having actual discussions, along with the peaceful marches and actual work for progressive causes. We recognize that that's what's going to make real change happen.

Define your real change goals. Now what is wrong with Columbus Day? We should have Viking Day. But the Vikings didn't start the movement to the New World. Chiinese stopped in Africa. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15040888

I suppose you want unlimited illegal immigration and benefits for those persons. We have been called a melting pot. Ever cook soup? The pot can get full.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm on the left and I don't like the vandalism. I would be fine if his statue came down through legal means. I have long thought the holiday was misplaced and should be renamed.

Me too. I'd like to remind people that "liberals" and "the left" aren't monoliths. While we have similar beliefs, we have different means to those ends.

I'm in favor of taking statues down and putting them in a museum or other educational facility. I am not pro-vandalism.

While this is true, I will point out to you that your liberal compatriots and peers have gotten exponentially worse - more extreme, self-righteous, felonious - in just the last year or so.

Which is exactly why I do not count myself in your ranks anymore.

There are also many of us who are quietly campaigning for progressive representation in the mid-term election, visiting our current representatives, attending town halls, and having actual discussions, along with the peaceful marches and actual work for progressive causes. We recognize that that's what's going to make real change happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's right to vandalize but I agree that we shouldn't have monuments to genocidal maniacs, or a holiday in their honor...

The holiday is mostly celebrated to honor Italian Americans.

Maybe the Mafia can protect the Columbus statues.

Wasn't this a discussion on an episode of The Sopranos ?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's right to vandalize but I agree that we shouldn't have monuments to genocidal maniacs, or a holiday in their honor...

The holiday is mostly celebrated to honor Italian Americans.

Maybe the Mafia can protect the Columbus statues.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm on the left and I don't like the vandalism. I would be fine if his statue came down through legal means. I have long thought the holiday was misplaced and should be renamed.

Me too. I'd like to remind people that "liberals" and "the left" aren't monoliths. While we have similar beliefs, we have different means to those ends.

I'm in favor of taking statues down and putting them in a museum or other educational facility. I am not pro-vandalism.

Serious question: what museum would want those statues? Wouldn't they be vandalized too? I don't like Christopher Columbus but, I also don't agree with vandalism.

It's believed to be the first monument in the country to honor Columbus. It was put up in 1792.

That might make some museum interested in it. History and what not.

Then it should stay where it is due to ots historical significance.

Maybe make a museum called history of genocide in the US.

Did you know there wasn't a US when Columbus landed in the "new world?" Did you know he did not found the US?

http://www.mit.edu/~thistle/v9/9.11/1columbus.html

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Anonymous wrote:I'm on the left and I don't like the vandalism. I would be fine if his statue came down through legal means. I have long thought the holiday was misplaced and should be renamed.

Me too. I'd like to remind people that "liberals" and "the left" aren't monoliths. While we have similar beliefs, we have different means to those ends.

I'm in favor of taking statues down and putting them in a museum or other educational facility. I am not pro-vandalism.

While this is true, I will point out to you that your liberal compatriots and peers have gotten exponentially worse - more extreme, self-righteous, felonious - in just the last year or so.

Which is exactly why I do not count myself in your ranks anymore.

Anonymous wrote:So we're supposed to be upset that statue honoring a genocidal butcher was dealt with in an entirely appropriate manner?

Oh ok.

That's OK. DC is planning to erect a present-day statue of that notorious, corrupt racist, tax-cheat and crack-head, Marion S. Barry. But that's presumably ok.

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the right will begin tearing down FDR Asian quaranteener and pro baby killing supporters monuments.


Two can play this game .

Hopefully no one will tear down statues without local govt consent. Hopefully local govts will be given the right to tear down or MOVE what they want, without interference by state govts, or by outside agitators.

Hopefully the right will begin tearing down FDR Asian quaranteener and pro baby killing supporters monuments.


Two can play this game .

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's right to vandalize but I agree that we shouldn't have monuments to genocidal maniacs, or a holiday in their honor...

The holiday is mostly celebrated to honor Italian Americans.

Anonymous wrote:http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-columbus-monument-20170821-story.html

Video posted on YouTube by a user named "Popular Resistance". Baltimore police are looking for the suspect.

When will support for the left run out after acts like this? Or will people continue to feel strongly that vandalism/destruction is the best way to go about this?

Based on the posts I read here about (presumably left leaning) people who willingly damage others' cars just because they are mad, I'm going to say it's only going to get worse since no one cares about anyone but themselves anymore.