Anonymous wrote:just put down black.

it's obvious you are asking what the optimal race answer is.

portuguese geneology is very mixed - you can put down black - if you go back far enough there will be someone from africa in your bloodline.

I'm Sicilian. Can my kid get away with this too?

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Anonymous wrote:It's like Obama. He is biracial but he probably identifies more with his white side because his mother and maternal grandparents raised him.

Obama has repeatedly self-identified himself as black.

Sure he does. I don't think he would've been elected had he identified as white.

Anonymous wrote:So a rich white kid from a wealthy white family in Argentina or Chile or Uruguay (which are among the "whitest" countries in the world, ironically), can claim to be Hispanic and gain AA benefits?

Anonymous wrote:The U.S. Census Bureau defines the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino to refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race"

As it is I suspect the admissions panels are pretty good at spotting the difference between a white Hispanic and non-white Hispanic. I doubt a white applicant whose parents came to America from Spain or Argentina is going to get much of a boost, if any.

You just described my family. We are white. We ARE Hispanic. Clearly my kids checked the Hispanic/Latino box, because they are both of those things. We visit our country of origin frequently and the kids have varying degrees of spanish fluency.

The question is NOT "how Brown are you?"

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Anonymous wrote:A tangent I know but I ponder this for my DS who is 1/4 black but looks really white. I'm 1/2 black and checked both black and white if I could check multiple boxes or just black if I could only check one. I don't look white and have felt some degree of racism in my life so I felt okay doing that. I guess it's up to my son but I hope he checks white or maybe other. I would feel disappointed if he checked black for an admissions boost. One drop rule and all that notwithstanding, AA is not meant for him.

you sound jealous of your son's phenotype. do you wish you were his shade?

Huh? It's just a different situation for him. In some ways my situation is more comfortable because I look mixed and am mixed and so there's no weird feeling that part of my heritage is invisible. Anyway, do you want my kid to take an AA spot? Would that make you feel better? Whatever lady.

NP --Does your son live as AA, white, or mixed? Most mixed kids I meet with AA or mixed moms identify as AA or mixed regardless of their phenotype. When the mom is non-AA, that's when I see the kids identify more as white (or Asian or Latino) like mom if they can pass rather than dad's race. Obviously, this is just kids I've met and I'm sure there is variation, but I grew up in a military family with lots of intermarriage and I also lived in three very diverse cities with lots of intermarriage.

How exactly does one "live" as AA? Or white?

Wtf.

My DD could pass, but tells people she is AA. She doesn't even say biracial. She says "I'm black." She chose to participate in academic clubs and opportunities that were designed for AA students. When she was younger, she tended to gravitate toward black dolls or products that had a black child featured, rather than a white one.

In contrast, I have cousins and in-laws who actually do pass for white. You would never know they are 1/4 to 1/8 AA. It's not just about not checking the box, they pretty much reject all ties to the AA community and try to limit contact with family. This is in 2017. I understand why my grandmother and great grandmother passed occasionally, but it's 24/7 for these family members. I hope whatever they are getting out of it outweighs the downsides. Like stress a relative my color might tag you on a FB post about the family reunion.

Anonymous wrote:It's like Obama. He is biracial but he probably identifies more with his white side because his mother and maternal grandparents raised him.

Obama has repeatedly self-identified himself as black.

It's like Obama. He is biracial but he probably identifies more with his white side because his mother and maternal grandparents raised him.

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Anonymous wrote:A tangent I know but I ponder this for my DS who is 1/4 black but looks really white. I'm 1/2 black and checked both black and white if I could check multiple boxes or just black if I could only check one. I don't look white and have felt some degree of racism in my life so I felt okay doing that. I guess it's up to my son but I hope he checks white or maybe other. I would feel disappointed if he checked black for an admissions boost. One drop rule and all that notwithstanding, AA is not meant for him.

you sound jealous of your son's phenotype. do you wish you were his shade?

Huh? It's just a different situation for him. In some ways my situation is more comfortable because I look mixed and am mixed and so there's no weird feeling that part of my heritage is invisible. Anyway, do you want my kid to take an AA spot? Would that make you feel better? Whatever lady.

NP --Does your son live as AA, white, or mixed? Most mixed kids I meet with AA or mixed moms identify as AA or mixed regardless of their phenotype. When the mom is non-AA, that's when I see the kids identify more as white (or Asian or Latino) like mom if they can pass rather than dad's race. Obviously, this is just kids I've met and I'm sure there is variation, but I grew up in a military family with lots of intermarriage and I also lived in three very diverse cities with lots of intermarriage.

How exactly does one "live" as AA? Or white?

Wtf.

^^^ like I said

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Anonymous wrote:A tangent I know but I ponder this for my DS who is 1/4 black but looks really white. I'm 1/2 black and checked both black and white if I could check multiple boxes or just black if I could only check one. I don't look white and have felt some degree of racism in my life so I felt okay doing that. I guess it's up to my son but I hope he checks white or maybe other. I would feel disappointed if he checked black for an admissions boost. One drop rule and all that notwithstanding, AA is not meant for him.

you sound jealous of your son's phenotype. do you wish you were his shade?

Huh? It's just a different situation for him. In some ways my situation is more comfortable because I look mixed and am mixed and so there's no weird feeling that part of my heritage is invisible. Anyway, do you want my kid to take an AA spot? Would that make you feel better? Whatever lady.

NP --Does your son live as AA, white, or mixed? Most mixed kids I meet with AA or mixed moms identify as AA or mixed regardless of their phenotype. When the mom is non-AA, that's when I see the kids identify more as white (or Asian or Latino) like mom if they can pass rather than dad's race. Obviously, this is just kids I've met and I'm sure there is variation, but I grew up in a military family with lots of intermarriage and I also lived in three very diverse cities with lots of intermarriage.

I haven't noticed generalities like that myself. If anything, maybe a daughter would trend to mom's race a son to dad's? My son's still young and like I set, he can check whatever he wants but, given the purpose of that box on a college application, checking black would seem a bit odd to me.

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Anonymous wrote:A tangent I know but I ponder this for my DS who is 1/4 black but looks really white. I'm 1/2 black and checked both black and white if I could check multiple boxes or just black if I could only check one. I don't look white and have felt some degree of racism in my life so I felt okay doing that. I guess it's up to my son but I hope he checks white or maybe other. I would feel disappointed if he checked black for an admissions boost. One drop rule and all that notwithstanding, AA is not meant for him.

you sound jealous of your son's phenotype. do you wish you were his shade?

Huh? It's just a different situation for him. In some ways my situation is more comfortable because I look mixed and am mixed and so there's no weird feeling that part of my heritage is invisible. Anyway, do you want my kid to take an AA spot? Would that make you feel better? Whatever lady.

NP --Does your son live as AA, white, or mixed? Most mixed kids I meet with AA or mixed moms identify as AA or mixed regardless of their phenotype. When the mom is non-AA, that's when I see the kids identify more as white (or Asian or Latino) like mom if they can pass rather than dad's race. Obviously, this is just kids I've met and I'm sure there is variation, but I grew up in a military family with lots of intermarriage and I also lived in three very diverse cities with lots of intermarriage.

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Anonymous wrote:A tangent I know but I ponder this for my DS who is 1/4 black but looks really white. I'm 1/2 black and checked both black and white if I could check multiple boxes or just black if I could only check one. I don't look white and have felt some degree of racism in my life so I felt okay doing that. I guess it's up to my son but I hope he checks white or maybe other. I would feel disappointed if he checked black for an admissions boost. One drop rule and all that notwithstanding, AA is not meant for him.

you sound jealous of your son's phenotype. do you wish you were his shade?

Huh? It's just a different situation for him. In some ways my situation is more comfortable because I look mixed and am mixed and so there's no weird feeling that part of my heritage is invisible. Anyway, do you want my kid to take an AA spot? Would that make you feel better? Whatever lady.

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Anonymous wrote:A tangent I know but I ponder this for my DS who is 1/4 black but looks really white. I'm 1/2 black and checked both black and white if I could check multiple boxes or just black if I could only check one. I don't look white and have felt some degree of racism in my life so I felt okay doing that. I guess it's up to my son but I hope he checks white or maybe other. I would feel disappointed if he checked black for an admissions boost. One drop rule and all that notwithstanding, AA is not meant for him.

you sound jealous of your son's phenotype. do you wish you were his shade?

Ignore this person.

I'm 3/4 AA, but many people think I'm 1/2. One of my daughters doesn't look AA at all to most whites. However, for a variety of reasons, that is how she identifies. Because of her open identification with and immersive experience of being AA, she should check the box.

Anonymous wrote:A tangent I know but I ponder this for my DS who is 1/4 black but looks really white. I'm 1/2 black and checked both black and white if I could check multiple boxes or just black if I could only check one. I don't look white and have felt some degree of racism in my life so I felt okay doing that. I guess it's up to my son but I hope he checks white or maybe other. I would feel disappointed if he checked black for an admissions boost. One drop rule and all that notwithstanding, AA is not meant for him.

you sound jealous of your son's phenotype. do you wish you were his shade?

That's why it should only be based on income. Such BS.

Anonymous wrote:This is not a problem owned by the student. It's owned by the college.

A binary variable: Hispanic or not.

We have contacted admissions offices, and we have been assured that having a grandparent from Central America is sufficient to check the Hispanic box.

We are perfectly willing to supply any further info the school needs to consider in their decision.

The student still has a choice that they should exercise ethically. I plan on giving my kid a high standard for what that means.