Anonymous
07/16/2017 16:20
Subject: Re:Has anyone on DCUM sent their kid to an evangelical college like Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton?
I'm a teacher and a teacher that I work with is a Liberty grad, another teacher's son is considering go there, and our guidance counselor's daughter attends. This is the first time I have ever met anyone associated with the University and honestly none of them fit the stereotype that I had about Liberty students/families. I assume they are evangelical, but they keep their religion to themselves.
Anonymous
07/16/2017 13:39
Subject: Has anyone on DCUM sent their kid to an evangelical college like Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton?
^ Oh, and inspired by another thread here, Liberty University in VA is in range for what your looking for -- at least financially. 
Anonymous
07/16/2017 12:04
Subject: Has anyone on DCUM sent their kid to an evangelical college like Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton?
Anonymous wrote:God no OP. Go to a real university or don't go. Heaven help you
I'm the OP. None of these schools are under consideration in my household of apathetic lapsed to agnostics to atheists. But I did attend a respected Catholic college and have been interested in how these fundamental schools managed to veer so widely from the many, many other schools under the auspices of particular faiths. Looking to learn a bit about what goes on outside of my bubble.
Anonymous
07/16/2017 11:35
Subject: Has anyone on DCUM sent their kid to an evangelical college like Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton?
God no OP. Go to a real university or don't go. Heaven help you
Anonymous
07/16/2017 10:41
Subject: Has anyone on DCUM sent their kid to an evangelical college like Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton?
Debate is an important element of many religious and/or conservative schools, even at the elementary level. Take a look at "classical academies" (both Catholic and Protestant) and things like debate and Latin are highlighted as a differentiator. Patrick Henry recruits debate stars. And I believe both Patrick Henry and Liberty run well-regarded debate camps. And I think debate is a major component of homeschooling networks. Wasn't there some recent controversy about a public school system not participating in a debate tournament held at Liberty?
I'm hypothesizing that you don't hear a lot about UMC metro DC kids going to places like Liberty because even ultra conservative parents are highly educated and realize that the type of instruction isn't applicable to high-earning careers. I know of two kids going to Liberty. One is from metro DC who is a pretty poor student from a religious, conservative middle class family. His father had confided to me early senior year that they weren't sure if he'd graduate. The other is from out of state and his mother isn't thrilled with his choice. I think Liberty does a bang-up job at campus tours with the ski slope, etc.
Grove City, from what I have heard, has more of that established, classic campus feeling and is perhaps fairly well regarded in terms of the quality of education.
I'm hypothesizing that you don't hear a lot about UMC metro DC kids going to places like Liberty because even ultra conservative parents are highly educated and realize that the type of instruction isn't applicable to high-earning careers. I know of two kids going to Liberty. One is from metro DC who is a pretty poor student from a religious, conservative middle class family. His father had confided to me early senior year that they weren't sure if he'd graduate. The other is from out of state and his mother isn't thrilled with his choice. I think Liberty does a bang-up job at campus tours with the ski slope, etc.
Grove City, from what I have heard, has more of that established, classic campus feeling and is perhaps fairly well regarded in terms of the quality of education.
Anonymous
07/16/2017 10:33
Subject: Has anyone on DCUM sent their kid to an evangelical college like Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm originally from Chicago and the first 10 years of my career were there. Anyone who applies for a job and went to Wheaton gets a bit of a side eye - it's like a big red warning flag that they're uber-conservative. Just something to be aware of.
Just as I, human resource manger here, roll my eyes and tosses anyone from a left leaning Ivy League to the bottom of the pile. . I have enough problems I don't need liberal crap. It's far worse than a young conservative.
There are far more liberal-minded people in large cities than neo-conservatives like yourself.
Anonymous
07/16/2017 10:04
Subject: Has anyone on DCUM sent their kid to an evangelical college like Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton?
Lawyer here. I would never go to Liberty. I would never send a kid to Liberty. I am NOT a Liberty apologist. But, Liberty's law school is a step up from most of their other programs. It has the reputation where uberconservative, but often smart, kids go to get training in advancing an uberconservative agenda. Because there are bright, motivated, super conservative kids out there who need the training necessary to advance a Mike Pence agenda. It's a niche law school. But I would not necessarily consider someone with a law degree from Liberty who passed the Bar to be a joke.
Liberty also has a decent debate team. Which blows my mind, because debate requires you to apply critical reasoning and argue both sides of an issue. But it has a decent reputation in debate. Go figure.
Liberty also has a decent debate team. Which blows my mind, because debate requires you to apply critical reasoning and argue both sides of an issue. But it has a decent reputation in debate. Go figure.
Anonymous
07/16/2017 09:12
Subject: Has anyone on DCUM sent their kid to an evangelical college like Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton?
I work with three people who went to liberty.
One is pretty sharp
They are all a little weird
One is pretty sharp
They are all a little weird
Anonymous
07/16/2017 08:37
Subject: Has anyone on DCUM sent their kid to an evangelical college like Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's hard to be a serious academic institution when religious orthodoxy is more important than academic freedom of speech. And that's true for both Wheaton and Liberty.
That you don't see the irony in this statement is so amusing- that is, when one acknowledges that leftist secularism is indeed orthodoxy.
+1,000
sadly true, I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise given the incidents at UC Berkeley; Middlebury. Yale, Evergreen State College. It's just all political/ideological orthodoxy ay many of these colleges.
Anonymous
07/16/2017 08:36
Subject: Has anyone on DCUM sent their kid to an evangelical college like Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm originally from Chicago and the first 10 years of my career were there. Anyone who applies for a job and went to Wheaton gets a bit of a side eye - it's like a big red warning flag that they're uber-conservative. Just something to be aware of.
Just as I, human resource manger here, roll my eyes and tosses anyone from a left leaning Ivy League to the bottom of the pile. . I have enough problems I don't need liberal crap. It's far worse than a young conservative.
Cool story. If I know a gullible, hayseed that went to Bob Jones and needs a retail job with no health insurance at hobby lobby I will steer them your way.
Anonymous
07/16/2017 08:33
Subject: Has anyone on DCUM sent their kid to an evangelical college like Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please don't lump us in with the likes of Liberty University.
-Wheaton College grad.
The same Wheaton College that suspended a professor for saying Muslims and Christians believe in the same god?
https://www.thefire.org/wheaton-college-shows-what-a-warning-school-looks-like/
Well if you don't agree with their actions that's fine - their beliefs are not for everyone - but Wheaton is a respected, rigorous liberal arts college whose rank is similar to schools like Lawrence, Muhlenberg, St.Olaf, Sarah Lawrence etc. aka schools DCUMs seemingly have no issue with and are pretty "legitimate".
Liberty is basically a step above a for-profit college and is not seen as a serious academic institution.
It's hard to be a serious academic institution when religious orthodoxy is more important than academic freedom of speech. And that's true for both Wheaton and Liberty.
You keep saying the words freedom of speech. I do not think that means what you think it means.
Perhaps it is you that is mistaken about the meaning of "academic free speech". Rigid orthodoxy undergirding the lesson plan does not allow much room for mainstream thought to challenge it. Ken Hamm once said: "if the Bible said 2+2=5 I would believe it".
It's incredible that learning new concepts should need to be bent around a book.
Anonymous
07/16/2017 07:37
Subject: Re:Has anyone on DCUM sent their kid to an evangelical college like Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton?
I've seen some of your posts on other sites and an op-ED from the school you will attend. You are the LAST person to cast aspersions about 'tolerance. 'PaleoConPrep wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I live in Fairfax Co. and know four families who sent their kids to Liberty (two online, two to the actual university). I can't think of a way to put this politely, but I seriously doubt any of the kids had the grades to get into any of the more respected religious schools. One of the kids went there after dropping out of NOVA midway through her first semester because she couldn't keep up with the curriculum.
Yikes. That's pretty close to the Beltway. I didn't realize they were so close.
I though y'all were kind and tolerant folks. Guess not?
Anonymous
07/15/2017 22:55
Subject: Has anyone on DCUM sent their kid to an evangelical college like Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton?
Anonymous wrote:
It's hard to be a serious academic institution when religious orthodoxy is more important than academic freedom of speech. And that's true for both Wheaton and Liberty.
That you don't see the irony in this statement is so amusing- that is, when one acknowledges that leftist secularism is indeed orthodoxy.
+1,000
Anonymous
07/15/2017 21:45
Subject: Has anyone on DCUM sent their kid to an evangelical college like Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton?
Anonymous wrote:I'm originally from Chicago and the first 10 years of my career were there. Anyone who applies for a job and went to Wheaton gets a bit of a side eye - it's like a big red warning flag that they're uber-conservative. Just something to be aware of.
Just as I, human resource manger here, roll my eyes and tosses anyone from a left leaning Ivy League to the bottom of the pile. . I have enough problems I don't need liberal crap. It's far worse than a young conservative.
Anonymous
07/15/2017 21:36
Subject: Has anyone on DCUM sent their kid to an evangelical college like Liberty, Grove City, Wheaton?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please don't lump us in with the likes of Liberty University.
-Wheaton College grad.
The same Wheaton College that suspended a professor for saying Muslims and Christians believe in the same god?
https://www.thefire.org/wheaton-college-shows-what-a-warning-school-looks-like/
Well if you don't agree with their actions that's fine - their beliefs are not for everyone - but Wheaton is a respected, rigorous liberal arts college whose rank is similar to schools like Lawrence, Muhlenberg, St.Olaf, Sarah Lawrence etc. aka schools DCUMs seemingly have no issue with and are pretty "legitimate".
Liberty is basically a step above a for-profit college and is not seen as a serious academic institution.
It's hard to be a serious academic institution when religious orthodoxy is more important than academic freedom of speech. And that's true for both Wheaton and Liberty.
You keep saying the words freedom of speech. I do not think that means what you think it means.