Anonymous wrote:To the PP who didn't know about gentrification in NE... What rock have you been under for the last 5-10 years? I have always lived in DC, but just moved to NE about 10 years ago. The gentrification has been expanding at an exponential pace since at least that time.

PP here. It's probably been that long since I was in that part of town. Not since they improved the 295 - 395 connection. If it wasn't for waze, I wouldn't have ventured through SE. That New York Ave bridge art is pretty surreal.

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Anonymous wrote:It really depends on your tolerance for street crime. I live in Capitol Hill but a lot of DCUMers would not consider NE Capitol Hill safe.

I think 15:37 has nailed it. There are lots of neighborhoods like that in NE - some are not hip or on the radar of the hip but they are good family neighborhoods.

15:37 here. I live in NW in Brightwood Park (North Petworth) in a "green zone" on that crime map and have never had a package stolen, let alone anything else more serious. I work in NE Capitol Hill and there is definitely more street crime there. The same can be said for around any commercial corridor in any DC neighborhood though. The NE neighborhoods I mentioned DEFINITELY are not hip, with possibly the exception of Brookland depending on your definitely of hip, but they're safe enough where I don't worry about physical safety for my small kids, break ins, or property theft. The loitering teens in my neighborhood litter and act rowdy toward each other, but are very friendly if you say hi and so are the adults in their household. It's a city neighborhood, of course it's not "front door unlocked while being bucolic and tranquil". I don't think that's the standard that most city dwellers are looking for though.

an aside, how do feel about using the north petworth tag? isn't that an untruth that realtors come up with?

North Petworth is totally a recent made up term. It is only within the last 10 years Petworth has been viewed as anything other than slum

I would want to re-brand Brightwood park too, Kennedy st is really a bad area.

One of the worst blocks in the city

Anonymous wrote:My ex used to live at 4th and D, NE and it seemed very safe. I run through there all the time and have never had issues.

This area right around Stanton Park is very safe.

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Anonymous wrote:It really depends on your tolerance for street crime. I live in Capitol Hill but a lot of DCUMers would not consider NE Capitol Hill safe.

I think 15:37 has nailed it. There are lots of neighborhoods like that in NE - some are not hip or on the radar of the hip but they are good family neighborhoods.

15:37 here. I live in NW in Brightwood Park (North Petworth) in a "green zone" on that crime map and have never had a package stolen, let alone anything else more serious. I work in NE Capitol Hill and there is definitely more street crime there. The same can be said for around any commercial corridor in any DC neighborhood though. The NE neighborhoods I mentioned DEFINITELY are not hip, with possibly the exception of Brookland depending on your definitely of hip, but they're safe enough where I don't worry about physical safety for my small kids, break ins, or property theft. The loitering teens in my neighborhood litter and act rowdy toward each other, but are very friendly if you say hi and so are the adults in their household. It's a city neighborhood, of course it's not "front door unlocked while being bucolic and tranquil". I don't think that's the standard that most city dwellers are looking for though.

an aside, how do feel about using the north petworth tag? isn't that an untruth that realtors come up with?

North Petworth is totally a recent made up term. It is only within the last 10 years Petworth has been viewed as anything other than slum

I would want to re-brand Brightwood park too, Kennedy st is really a bad area.

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Anonymous wrote:It really depends on your tolerance for street crime. I live in Capitol Hill but a lot of DCUMers would not consider NE Capitol Hill safe.

I think 15:37 has nailed it. There are lots of neighborhoods like that in NE - some are not hip or on the radar of the hip but they are good family neighborhoods.

15:37 here. I live in NW in Brightwood Park (North Petworth) in a "green zone" on that crime map and have never had a package stolen, let alone anything else more serious. I work in NE Capitol Hill and there is definitely more street crime there. The same can be said for around any commercial corridor in any DC neighborhood though. The NE neighborhoods I mentioned DEFINITELY are not hip, with possibly the exception of Brookland depending on your definitely of hip, but they're safe enough where I don't worry about physical safety for my small kids, break ins, or property theft. The loitering teens in my neighborhood litter and act rowdy toward each other, but are very friendly if you say hi and so are the adults in their household. It's a city neighborhood, of course it's not "front door unlocked while being bucolic and tranquil". I don't think that's the standard that most city dwellers are looking for though.

an aside, how do feel about using the north petworth tag? isn't that an untruth that realtors come up with?

North Petworth is totally a recent made up term. It is only within the last 10 years Petworth has been viewed as anything other than slum

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Anonymous wrote:It really depends on your tolerance for street crime. I live in Capitol Hill but a lot of DCUMers would not consider NE Capitol Hill safe.

I think 15:37 has nailed it. There are lots of neighborhoods like that in NE - some are not hip or on the radar of the hip but they are good family neighborhoods.

15:37 here. I live in NW in Brightwood Park (North Petworth) in a "green zone" on that crime map and have never had a package stolen, let alone anything else more serious. I work in NE Capitol Hill and there is definitely more street crime there. The same can be said for around any commercial corridor in any DC neighborhood though. The NE neighborhoods I mentioned DEFINITELY are not hip, with possibly the exception of Brookland depending on your definitely of hip, but they're safe enough where I don't worry about physical safety for my small kids, break ins, or property theft. The loitering teens in my neighborhood litter and act rowdy toward each other, but are very friendly if you say hi and so are the adults in their household. It's a city neighborhood, of course it's not "front door unlocked while being bucolic and tranquil". I don't think that's the standard that most city dwellers are looking for though.

an aside, how do feel about using the north petworth tag? isn't that an untruth that realtors come up with?

Anonymous wrote:To the PP who didn't know about gentrification in NE... What rock have you been under for the last 5-10 years? I have always lived in DC, but just moved to NE about 10 years ago. The gentrification has been expanding at an exponential pace since at least that time.

still has a long way to go, people act like a few hipsters move in and the area is good to go. Some areas gentrify because they become desirable, others change because they are all that working class can afford. I would say NE is benefiting form people not being able to afford NW and not because they actually want to live there. Most white collar people I know wouldn't move there unless they had to.

To the PP who didn't know about gentrification in NE... What rock have you been under for the last 5-10 years? I have always lived in DC, but just moved to NE about 10 years ago. The gentrification has been expanding at an exponential pace since at least that time.

I've lived in Shaw for 8 years and nothing has happened to me but a friend that's lived in Georgetown and Dupont has been robbed twice, once at gunpoint, during the past 5 years and has been robbed in other cities before that. Some people just attract crime.

Lived between Brookland and Woodridge for 10 years now - once left my front door propped wide open all afternoon with no one home and nothing...

Anonymous wrote:When did NE become so gentrified? I drove through two separate sections over the weekend and could hardly believe my eyes. It wasn't that long ago that we used to make sure the doors were locked when we drove through. It now seems pretty cool and hip.

It started with the Hyattsville Arts District development on Rhode Island Avenue. Then they put in the NE DC Costco, and the shopping center, and built tons of luxury townhomes by Fort Lincoln. I've been living in Mt. Rainier (right by Woodridge) for around 13 years. Now they are developing the Rhode Island avenue corridor and fixing up the run down businesses and opening up hip businesses like Bespoke Kitchen, Nido, Zeke's Coffee, etc. When we first moved in, I couldn't walk up to Rhode Island Avenue to hail a cab without multiple cars trying to pick me up because they thought I was a "working girl". We also had our house and cars broken into many times. It's such a great neighborhood now, I'm glad we stuck it out....and my mortgage is almost paid off! (got an 8 bedroom/3 full bath 4,500 SF house for barely over $200K) It's amazing how much it has changed for the better. Lots of families now with young kids (me included).

Crime in DC and especially NE is block-by-block. On my block and within a 1 block radius in past year there's been 3 burglaries, 1 robbery, and 3 assaults. We're talking an area where there almost a thousand people live. So yes, the crime map lights up but when you take into account population density and the number of people that walk through urban areas like ours, the odds of being the victim of a crime are pretty low.

I find most people that freak out about crime are really freaked out about having to walk past minorities and poor people and the odd drug addict. Whatever. Go live in Rockville, sit in a car for a significant fraction of your waking life in order to avoid the realities of post-industrial America.

If you're smart you can live decades in NE DC and not be a victim of crime.

Eckington NE DC resident and crime free for past 6 years ans resident for 11 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Laugh at me all you want. My uncle was a DC cop. Car jacking and muggings used to happen all the time. You must be one of those new transplants.

You're hung up on the past ("My uncle WAS a DC cop" and "Car jackings and muggings USED to happen all the time") and you have no clue of what's going on in the present ("When did NE become so gentrified?) but despite your antiquated and ignorant perspective you...lol...you actually think you're credible to comment on what seems pretty cool and hip...LOL!!! That's hilarious.

Additionally, gentrification doesn't necessarily make a neighborhood safer.

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Anonymous wrote:Laugh at me all you want. My uncle was a DC cop. Car jacking and muggings used to happen all the time. You must be one of those new transplants.

You're hung up on the past ("My uncle WAS a DC cop" and "Car jackings and muggings USED to happen all the time") and you have no clue of what's going on in the present ("When did NE become so gentrified?) but despite your antiquated and ignorant perspective you...lol...you actually think you're credible to comment on what seems pretty cool and hip...LOL!!! That's hilarious.

I just looked at crimedc.com and carjackings and muggings are still happening. You're definitely the authority on what's cool & hip too.

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Anonymous wrote:Laugh at me all you want. My uncle was a DC cop. Car jacking and muggings used to happen all the time. You must be one of those new transplants.

You're hung up on the past ("My uncle WAS a DC cop" and "Car jackings and muggings USED to happen all the time") and you have no clue of what's going on in the present ("When did NE become so gentrified?) but despite your antiquated and ignorant perspective you...lol...you actually think you're credible to comment on what seems pretty cool and hip...LOL!!! That's hilarious.

I just looked at crimedc.com and carjackings and muggings are still happening. You're definitely the authority on what's cool & hip too.