Anonymous wrote:m'eh, she's not saying anything I haven't read here a hundred times already.There is a visceral disdain for middle America among many people here. So much, and so common, that I can't tell if it's a legit post or not. Look at some of the pics in some of the other threads about toning down the hostility. There's actually a photo of a guy holding a sign that says F*ck Middle America". That seems pretty legit to me.

Yeah, how do you tell if it's a troll or not, haha? You can see the same stuff in virtually every post that touches anything related to class, Ivy schools, even driving habits! Urbanites are some catty mofos that like to cast asparagus on people from flyover country.

OP here -- Maybe the issue isn't coastal versus Midwest Dems, maybe it is educated/elite versus less educated/less economically stable Dems, or something like that. I've just encountered a lot of Dems on both coasts who write off places like Detroit and sourheastern Michigan which made the state blue for so long.

I find it disturbing that either major party would dismiss a region or state. Even more frightening that a) regional or state leaders feel that their constituency is being dismissed as well, and b) some downplay/ignore the seemigly growing divide.

Maybe Duggan et al are not seeing things clearly.

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Anonymous wrote:Coastal dems don't care whether Wall Street controls our politicians, like Obama. Midwestern dems don't even know it happens.

Midwestern dems have the right priorities. Ignoring them got us Trump.

+1

As a Midwestern Dem who now lives here, this is not true. Midwesterners did not just fall off the turnip truck. They know what is going on. They might not have come out to vote for lots of reasons, but it isn't because of wall st and not knowing.

Anonymous wrote:Coastal dems don't care whether Wall Street controls our politicians, like Obama. Midwestern dems don't even know it happens.

Midwestern dems have the right priorities. Ignoring them got us Trump.

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Coastal dems don't care whether Wall Street controls our politicians, like Obama. Midwestern dems don't even know it happens.

Midwestern dems have the right priorities. Ignoring them got us Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who still chooses to live in flyover country is a dumbass.

Coastal cities are where the economy is. That's where the jobs that matter are, where policy is made, and where people with talent will gravitate.

The middle of the country is the sump that collects the lazy, the stupid, those without ambition, and anyone else too obtuse to figure out where to be.

Democrats are the party of science, learning, education and betterment. By that definition, if you call yourself a Democrat, and subscribe to those values, you live on the coast, either in the northest, or the west coast.

If you call yourself a Dem and live in .... I dunno, someplace I'd never be caught dead in, then guess what? You're an idiot.

It's pretty simple.

I guarantee this is a Republican. No Dem I know thinks like this. In fact, they want to see more investment in the Midwestern cities so they can innovate and thrive.

Yes. This is a troll.

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This post is fabrication and sh!tstirring.

m'eh, she's not saying anything I haven't read here a hundred times already.There is a visceral disdain for middle America among many people here. So much, and so common, that I can't tell if it's a legit post or not. Look at some of the pics in some of the other threads about toning down the hostility. There's actually a photo of a guy holding a sign that says F*ck Middle America". That seems pretty legit to me.

Chicagoan by birth here and I have never seen a difference between "coastal Democrats" and all my friends back in Chicago. Republicans are trying to make this about coastal vs farmland and it simply isn't true.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who still chooses to live in flyover country is a dumbass.

Coastal cities are where the economy is. That's where the jobs that matter are, where policy is made, and where people with talent will gravitate.

The middle of the country is the sump that collects the lazy, the stupid, those without ambition, and anyone else too obtuse to figure out where to be.

Democrats are the party of science, learning, education and betterment. By that definition, if you call yourself a Democrat, and subscribe to those values, you live on the coast, either in the northest, or the west coast.

If you call yourself a Dem and live in .... I dunno, someplace I'd never be caught dead in, then guess what? You're an idiot.

It's pretty simple.

I guarantee this is a Republican. No Dem I know thinks like this. In fact, they want to see more investment in the Midwestern cities so they can innovate and thrive.

I agree 100%. This is a Republican Troll. He/She should be reported.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who still chooses to live in flyover country is a dumbass.

Coastal cities are where the economy is. That's where the jobs that matter are, where policy is made, and where people with talent will gravitate.

The middle of the country is the sump that collects the lazy, the stupid, those without ambition, and anyone else too obtuse to figure out where to be.

Democrats are the party of science, learning, education and betterment. By that definition, if you call yourself a Democrat, and subscribe to those values, you live on the coast, either in the northest, or the west coast.

If you call yourself a Dem and live in .... I dunno, someplace I'd never be caught dead in, then guess what? You're an idiot.

It's pretty simple.

This.

The way I see it, landlocked states pretty much cost us the election. I have exactly zero love for red states, or Democrats that choose to live in red states. They should know better. And if they can't figure out that the blue states are where the future is, where the jobs will be, where the growth and investment will be, then they are no smarter than their dumbass trump voting next door neighbor. They all need to be written off.

We need to focus on two things - 1) voter turnout in urban areas. 2) immigration, and bringing new Democrats to America. 3) making sure voter ID laws are struck down in the courts whenever they are passed by racist thug state legislatures.

That is how we will win. Not by courting dumb people who can't figure out they should move

You need to learn how to count before you start making electoral strategies about how to import illegal aliens and register them to vote.

Ha ha. And, then she ends with.... “not by courting dumb people.” Pot, meet kettle.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who still chooses to live in flyover country is a dumbass.

Coastal cities are where the economy is. That's where the jobs that matter are, where policy is made, and where people with talent will gravitate.

The middle of the country is the sump that collects the lazy, the stupid, those without ambition, and anyone else too obtuse to figure out where to be.

Democrats are the party of science, learning, education and betterment. By that definition, if you call yourself a Democrat, and subscribe to those values, you live on the coast, either in the northest, or the west coast.

If you call yourself a Dem and live in .... I dunno, someplace I'd never be caught dead in, then guess what? You're an idiot.

It's pretty simple.

This.

The way I see it, landlocked states pretty much cost us the election. I have exactly zero love for red states, or Democrats that choose to live in red states. They should know better. And if they can't figure out that the blue states are where the future is, where the jobs will be, where the growth and investment will be, then they are no smarter than their dumbass trump voting next door neighbor. They all need to be written off.

We need to focus on two things - 1) voter turnout in urban areas. 2) immigration, and bringing new Democrats to America. 3) making sure voter ID laws are struck down in the courts whenever they are passed by racist thug state legislatures.

That is how we will win. Not by courting dumb people who can't figure out they should move

You need to learn how to count before you start making electoral strategies about how to import illegal aliens and register them to vote.

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This.

The way I see it, landlocked states pretty much cost us the election. I have exactly zero love for red states, or Democrats that choose to live in red states. They should know better. And if they can't figure out that the blue states are where the future is, where the jobs will be, where the growth and investment will be, then they are no smarter than their dumbass trump voting next door neighbor. They all need to be written off.

We need to focus on two things - 1) voter turnout in urban areas. 2) immigration, and bringing new Democrats to America. 3) making sure voter ID laws are struck down in the courts whenever they are passed by racist thug state legislatures.

That is how we will win. Not by courting dumb people who can't figure out they should move

NP. Did you even read the article in the OP? It talks about exactly this. Urban communities feeling forgotten and so apathetic about both parties. I'm not sure I fully understand all of their grievances, since Clinton did visit Flint and make specific promises there, but I'm willing to listen.

FWIW, I grew up in a rich and very red suburb of Detroit. Like, I didn't even really think normal people could be Democrats until I was in HS red. I'm not sure I agree with OP's assessment that this is a coastal Dem vs. Midwestern Dem issue, but everything in the article made perfect sense to me. I think it's more elite Dem vs. working class Dem (a rift that's happening in the Republican party as well, BTW). In the Republican primary, Trump ironically talked to the working class, and he won the nomination and Presidency. Sanders played a similar role in the Democratic primary, but Clinton won...though ironically I think she would have governed in a much more progressive, albeit incremental way. Trump is unabashedly governing to benefit the elites.

My observation based on the fact that I think Hillary had by far the most well thought out and implementable platform that would have measurably improved the lives of working class Americans...but it didn't radically shift the status quo, and she is a terrible campaigner. I wanted to like Sanders, but I disagreed fundamentally with some of his policies and I don't think their effect would have matched his rhetoric.

Ultimately, to me, 2016 revealed some very fundamental rifts in America, most of which do split along racial lines. I know that's the canard that supposedly lost Clinton the election, but I don't think papering over the fact that POC experience America so differently than white people will change that reality. It will just kick the can down the road. I'm as elite as can be, and I'm also brown-skinned. I have experienced bigotry, and I have been haunted my whole life by the specter of not being a "real American". I'm not complaining about my lot in life, but it's the reality. The people quoted in the article did not benefit from my parents' wealth and education, and so they have been truly forgotten in America. Trump did not speak for them, and IMHO Hillary did not connect with them. To me, though, those communities are the natural Democratic base that's been left behind by the Democratic party since the 90s. I don't even think this base cares about trade, since right now their issues are fundamental. Government barely recognizes these people at all, except to criminalize them.

Anonymous wrote:I am from Ohio and knows many Dems from the Midwest. They are the same as you and me. They are educated and smart and very concerned about the idiocracy we have right now. This is not a coastal v Midwestern thing. It is a smart v dumb thing.

Are you saying that if you're smart you vote one way, and dumb the other? That makes no sense. So, if a typical dem voter didn't vote because their party wasn't representing them, their non-vote was because of ... ignorance? This thinking is what helped the 'smart' dems lose the election. Ugh.

I am from Ohio and knows many Dems from the Midwest. They are the same as you and me. They are educated and smart and very concerned about the idiocracy we have right now. This is not a coastal v Midwestern thing. It is a smart v dumb thing.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who still chooses to live in flyover country is a dumbass.

Coastal cities are where the economy is. That's where the jobs that matter are, where policy is made, and where people with talent will gravitate.

The middle of the country is the sump that collects the lazy, the stupid, those without ambition, and anyone else too obtuse to figure out where to be.

Democrats are the party of science, learning, education and betterment. By that definition, if you call yourself a Democrat, and subscribe to those values, you live on the coast, either in the northest, or the west coast.

If you call yourself a Dem and live in .... I dunno, someplace I'd never be caught dead in, then guess what? You're an idiot.

It's pretty simple.

This.

The way I see it, landlocked states pretty much cost us the election. I have exactly zero love for red states, or Democrats that choose to live in red states. They should know better. And if they can't figure out that the blue states are where the future is, where the jobs will be, where the growth and investment will be, then they are no smarter than their dumbass trump voting next door neighbor. They all need to be written off.

We need to focus on two things - 1) voter turnout in urban areas. 2) immigration, and bringing new Democrats to America. 3) making sure voter ID laws are struck down in the courts whenever they are passed by racist thug state legislatures.

That is how we will win. Not by courting dumb people who can't figure out they should move

I've encountered people like you, but I can't tell if this is a sockpuppet.