Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a "dead name"?

"Deadname" is the term for the original name of a transgender person pre-transition. For example, Caitlyn Jenner's "deadname" is Bruce. It's called a deadname because it represents a painful portion of the transitioned person's past.

Using someone's "deadname" could be harmful because by referencing a trans person's former name in front of someone who doesn't know they're trans, you're outing them. But beyond that, activists say it is harmful to use a person's former name in any context. To return the the Caitlyn Jenner reference, activists also say that articles about Jenner should not use the phrase "formerly known as Bruce Jenner," or anything along those lines. The name Bruce should never be referred to again. For example, some say that when Jenner first publicly announced that Caitlyn would be her new name, articles should not have said "Caitlyn Jenner, Formerly Bruce, Introduces Herself." It should have only been "Transgender Olympian Announces New Name," with no mention of "Bruce" anywhere in the article or headline.

Caitlyn Jenner, by the way, doesn't agree with this- in her recent memoir, she says that Bruce existed for 65 years and she won't erase that. It's an individual thing, I suppose. But the activists say it should never be used.

Recently, there was controversy over an article published in the feminist philosophy journal Hypatia for this very thing. Because the writer, a philosophy professor, mentioned that Caitlyn Jenner was previously known as Bruce, there was a (successful) petition created to get the article removed, accusing the author of violence, deadnaming, and transphobia. The article was retracted and an apology was issued by the journal. An article on the controversy from New York magazine: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/transracialism-article-controversy.html

I know we are supposed to pretend not to know, but most trans people do not need to be "outed".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a "dead name"?

"Deadname" is the term for the original name of a transgender person pre-transition. For example, Caitlyn Jenner's "deadname" is Bruce. It's called a deadname because it represents a painful portion of the transitioned person's past.

Using someone's "deadname" could be harmful because by referencing a trans person's former name in front of someone who doesn't know they're trans, you're outing them. But beyond that, activists say it is harmful to use a person's former name in any context. To return the the Caitlyn Jenner reference, activists also say that articles about Jenner should not use the phrase "formerly known as Bruce Jenner," or anything along those lines. The name Bruce should never be referred to again. For example, some say that when Jenner first publicly announced that Caitlyn would be her new name, articles should not have said "Caitlyn Jenner, Formerly Bruce, Introduces Herself." It should have only been "Transgender Olympian Announces New Name," with no mention of "Bruce" anywhere in the article or headline.

Caitlyn Jenner, by the way, doesn't agree with this- in her recent memoir, she says that Bruce existed for 65 years and she won't erase that. It's an individual thing, I suppose. But the activists say it should never be used.

Recently, there was controversy over an article published in the feminist philosophy journal Hypatia for this very thing. Because the writer, a philosophy professor, mentioned that Caitlyn Jenner was previously known as Bruce, there was a (successful) petition created to get the article removed, accusing the author of violence, deadnaming, and transphobia. The article was retracted and an apology was issued by the journal. An article on the controversy from New York magazine: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/transracialism-article-controversy.html

Anonymous wrote:I have issues with non-binary and subject verb agreement. I have read Judith Butler and understand the argument but the grammarian in me can't do it. Language is limiting but we need to come up with new pronouns.

Anonymous wrote:I have to chuckle at the posters who say "I'm not creating new rules for pronouns" or other sorts of refusals. It's not up to you, snowflake, and the rules have already been rewritten. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/grammar/using-they-and-them-in-the-singular

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to admit it... I wasn't up to date on the non-binary culture until recently when my daughter's classmate came over to work on a project and beforehand my daughter said, "mom, just so you know, Alex is non-binary." I had to do some quick Googling even after she explained it to me and really think about what I was going to say before I said anything out loud. I did slip once with "do you guys need a snack?" and I got the Teen Eyeroll of Doom from my kid.

But now that I've learned about non-binary, I do see it more and more around me. During a college visit, many of the kids introducing themselves in the small tour group started with, "I'm Jane, I go by she/her" and "I'm Paul, they/them, please."

Why are you letting a teenager to dictate to you how to use English language?

If your teen decides to ride in the car naked for example, will you go along with that? Just because they feel like that it doesn't mean that you have to change your language, values, manners, etc. If the teen doesn't feel comfortable when you call Alex by her or his gender, then he or she has a choice not to come to your house. I would never bend to the teens' crap.

+ 1,000,000

And, if on a college tour with my DC, a kid introduced him or herself and then proceeded to state preferred pronouns, it would be all I could do to keep from laughing. Or perhaps chime in from the back of the group, "please refer to me as Your Royal Highness."

Anonymous wrote:forget about Jenner. If I legally change my name for any reason and you refuse to use it after being told, isn't that pretty obnoxious? In the sports world, Mohamed Ali didn't like being called Cassius Clay, and I'd bet most people under 50 don't know that Kareem Abdul Jabar played for UCLA as Lee Alcincer. Now take a step back, if legal name is William but I want everyone to call me Bill because William is what my Dad is known by, would you have a problem with that? Say I plan to legally change my name from Mortimer to Martain but never got to it and you know I hate Mortimer, and you keep calling me that, am I a snow flake or are you just obnoxious? This is simple respect and courtesy. If a person is transgender and that's why they change their name, are you saying they are not entitled to simple courtesy? Think about it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a "dead name"?

"Deadname" is the term for the original name of a transgender person pre-transition. For example, Caitlyn Jenner's "deadname" is Bruce. It's called a deadname because it represents a painful portion of the transitioned person's past.

Using someone's "deadname" could be harmful because by referencing a trans person's former name in front of someone who doesn't know they're trans, you're outing them. But beyond that, activists say it is harmful to use a person's former name in any context. To return the the Caitlyn Jenner reference, activists also say that articles about Jenner should not use the phrase "formerly known as Bruce Jenner," or anything along those lines. The name Bruce should never be referred to again. For example, some say that when Jenner first publicly announced that Caitlyn would be her new name, articles should not have said "Caitlyn Jenner, Formerly Bruce, Introduces Herself." It should have only been "Transgender Olympian Announces New Name," with no mention of "Bruce" anywhere in the article or headline.

Caitlyn Jenner, by the way, doesn't agree with this- in her recent memoir, she says that Bruce existed for 65 years and she won't erase that. It's an individual thing, I suppose. But the activists say it should never be used.

Recently, there was controversy over an article published in the feminist philosophy journal Hypatia for this very thing. Because the writer, a philosophy professor, mentioned that Caitlyn Jenner was previously known as Bruce, there was a (successful) petition created to get the article removed, accusing the author of violence, deadnaming, and transphobia. The article was retracted and an apology was issued by the journal. An article on the controversy from New York magazine: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/transracialism-article-controversy.html

I know we are supposed to pretend not to know, but most trans people do not need to be "outed".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a "dead name"?

"Deadname" is the term for the original name of a transgender person pre-transition. For example, Caitlyn Jenner's "deadname" is Bruce. It's called a deadname because it represents a painful portion of the transitioned person's past.

Using someone's "deadname" could be harmful because by referencing a trans person's former name in front of someone who doesn't know they're trans, you're outing them. But beyond that, activists say it is harmful to use a person's former name in any context. To return the the Caitlyn Jenner reference, activists also say that articles about Jenner should not use the phrase "formerly known as Bruce Jenner," or anything along those lines. The name Bruce should never be referred to again. For example, some say that when Jenner first publicly announced that Caitlyn would be her new name, articles should not have said "Caitlyn Jenner, Formerly Bruce, Introduces Herself." It should have only been "Transgender Olympian Announces New Name," with no mention of "Bruce" anywhere in the article or headline.

Caitlyn Jenner, by the way, doesn't agree with this- in her recent memoir, she says that Bruce existed for 65 years and she won't erase that. It's an individual thing, I suppose. But the activists say it should never be used.

Recently, there was controversy over an article published in the feminist philosophy journal Hypatia for this very thing. Because the writer, a philosophy professor, mentioned that Caitlyn Jenner was previously known as Bruce, there was a (successful) petition created to get the article removed, accusing the author of violence, deadnaming, and transphobia. The article was retracted and an apology was issued by the journal. An article on the controversy from New York magazine: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/transracialism-article-controversy.html

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm going to admit it... I wasn't up to date on the non-binary culture until recently when my daughter's classmate came over to work on a project and beforehand my daughter said, "mom, just so you know, Alex is non-binary." I had to do some quick Googling even after she explained it to me and really think about what I was going to say before I said anything out loud. I did slip once with "do you guys need a snack?" and I got the Teen Eyeroll of Doom from my kid.

But now that I've learned about non-binary, I do see it more and more around me. During a college visit, many of the kids introducing themselves in the small tour group started with, "I'm Jane, I go by she/her" and "I'm Paul, they/them, please."

Why are you letting a teenager to dictate to you how to use English language?

If your teen decides to ride in the car naked for example, will you go along with that? Just because they feel like that it doesn't mean that you have to change your language, values, manners, etc. If the teen doesn't feel comfortable when you call Alex by her or his gender, then he or she has a choice not to come to your house. I would never bend to the teens' crap.