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Anonymous wrote:fienstein is a horrid dem. terrible on civil rights, terrible on issues of economic justice, just an old rich jewish woman who needs to be put out to pasture like boxer.

Sure but no one will challenge her or other "democrats" in the primaries. We need more Feinstein and Hillary...because???

especially from california of all places. i'm surprised apple, google, and fb didn't pool together a warchest to destroy her after she came down on apple for making it too hard for the fbi to snoop.

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/op-eds?ID=B3580085-F7E7-4017-ACCF-E61E3DDAA1E1

if i were tim cook, i would get apple pac to crush her. the brown and young of cali don't like her, and siliconv valley money men dislike her views on state oversight for privacy matters.

this should be a slam dunk to primary her out.

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Anonymous wrote:Public Option and Single Payer are not the same things.

Did anyone suggest they were? What's your point?

Lots of Dems support a public option. Most I think - it would have been part of ACA except for the need to get the votes of Baucus and Lieberman. DiFi was not opposed to it.

Single payer would be a huge change. We came closest with Hillarycare - which elicited a death struggle from the health insurance industry. And would again. BHO wisely did not restart that fight and actually passed something.

Anonymous wrote:fienstein is a horrid dem. terrible on civil rights, terrible on issues of economic justice, just an old rich jewish woman who needs to be put out to pasture like boxer.

Sure but no one will challenge her or other "democrats" in the primaries. We need more Feinstein and Hillary...because???

Anonymous wrote:A leading Democrat explicitly refused to support even the possibility of single payer health care in the future. Then she sidled up to the health care industry immediately afterward and Hoovered up their $$$.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rawstory.com/2017/05/feinstein-accepts-health-care-industry-money-rejects-single-payer-option/amp/

Misquote.

Dianne Feinstein told her constituents at a recent San Francisco town hall event that she’s not ready to support a single-payer health care system — an idea that has been gaining steam at the state level in California.

“If single-payer health care is going to mean complete takeover by the government of all health care,” the California Democrat said, “I am not there.”



A reasonable position, IMO.

fienstein is a horrid dem. terrible on civil rights, terrible on issues of economic justice, just an old rich jewish woman who needs to be put out to pasture like boxer.

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Anonymous wrote:You mean like these two?

ODG, if you want my Medicare, please take it. No decent doctor will take Medicare, so I private pay, plus $507 per month for Medicare, plus $68 per month for drugs, plus $173 per month for supplemental. I don't even bother with dental or eyeglass coverage because it is cheaper to just private pay for those two.

+ 1 I'm not Medicare age yet, but I find the same with "regular" health insurance. In fact, I've found that it's better to just self-pay than to put things through insurance. There are many instances where the "negotiated" rate with insurance is higher than if you just paid cash. In the meantime, though, my insurance carrier still gets $800 a month.

What a scam the whole thing is - and a big win for insurance companies. First, people are required to buy insurance. Second, for those who can't afford to pay the high premiums, the insurance companies get the money via taxpayer subsidies. And third, the cost of medical care and deductibles, even with the insurance, are so high that people end up paying out-of-pocket anyway.

Looks like the pay-offs from the insurance companies to politicians - both D and R - was money well spent. They're laughing all the way to the bank.

Anonymous wrote:You mean like these two?

ODG, if you want my Medicare, please take it. No decent doctor will take Medicare, so I private pay, plus $507 per month for Medicare, plus $68 per month for drugs, plus $173 per month for supplemental. I don't even bother with dental or eyeglass coverage because it is cheaper to just private pay for those two.

Anonymous wrote:OP either makes too much to qualify for subsidies or he lives in a Republican state that didn't accept the Medicare expansion. Either way, OP has options if he doesn't want to pay for insurance: move to a different state, get a new job, etc.

In the meantime, I hope OP is campaigning hard for politicians that will support single-payer healthcare. This is the ONLY way to make healthcare affordable. Throwing out Obamacare will actually raise the price even higher than $1300/month.

+1 Wait till OP gets a pre-existing condition or hits 50. Under the R healthcare bill, the insurance company can charge you 5x that of a young healthy adult.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, just got forced onto the exchange. Family of four, 1365.00/month with a family deductible of 7,500.00. Will not pay for this, can't pay for this and won't have a health care policy for the first time in my adult life. Makes me so sad, seriously.

What forced you on to the exchange? Have you priced insurance independently? Exchanges are still much cheaper and better coverage than trying to go to an insurance company and buying a policy for your family.

DP. That wasn't my experience. The prices on the exchange are identical in price to the same specific plan offered off the exchange. Buying a plan in the exchange is only cheaper if it is being subsidized.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, just got forced onto the exchange. Family of four, 1365.00/month with a family deductible of 7,500.00. Will not pay for this, can't pay for this and won't have a health care policy for the first time in my adult life. Makes me so sad, seriously.

Fear not - some third world immigrant, probably illegal, has great health care at your expense.

Sorry to hear this PP. Pisses me off to no end. There are a lot of urgent cares that have popped up to compensate and they are really good and inexpensive. Don't be afraid to use them.

stop by Inova emergency room on weekend and you will see how the health care system works for illegal aliens.

Ouch!

Have you never been to the ER prior to ACA? It worked the same way for illegal immigrants as it does today. Hospitals don't turn away the sick, no matter your legal status. It's a public health issue.

BTW - to the original PP, we are a family of 4 -- MD - $1100/mo. $6000 deductible. But, I have had private insurance for 20 years off/on. The high cost of insurance is nothing new. I can attest to that.

Anonymous wrote:Yep, just got forced onto the exchange. Family of four, 1365.00/month with a family deductible of 7,500.00. Will not pay for this, can't pay for this and won't have a health care policy for the first time in my adult life. Makes me so sad, seriously.

So you pay between $16300 in premiums.

I have employer sponsored healthcare for a family of four, employee premium contribution is $18830 (employer kicks in another 25%, $6300) and deductible is $350 per person/$750 family with catastrophic cap $10K. So you pay between $16380 and $23880, I pay between $18850 and $28850 (even w/employer kicking in $6300). Point is don't assume the exchange is outside the norm, many families are paying this, the only way to be blissfully unaware is with a generous employer contribution, but those are becoming increasingly rare, especially for family coverage.

Three years ago DC had a surgery that lead to nearly two weeks of PICU. The hospital stay alone was $150K, our out of pocket that year hit $9K, under the cap. Still without insurance where would be? With insurance we're part of the reason premiums go up more than twice the rate of inflation every year. We're also a family that knows ahead of time we could never let coverage lapse while for you it would take an unexpected illness or injury to face bankruptcy.

Healthcare is creeping up on 20% GDP unless that changes healthcare will stay my family's largest household expense.

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Anonymous wrote:I am ready for Feinstein to retire. I am a devout Democrat and am totally ready for medicare for all.

Even Obama didn't support that. The truth is that almost no prominent Democrat supports a right to health care.

Without clarity of vision, they will lose.

Obama didn't win because of his vision. He won because he was the male Beyoncé.

That isn't a replicable strategy

Bernie Sanders supports healthcare as a right and he is the most popular member of the Senate.

Doesn't access to healthcare, control by a private business, supported by the government, seem stupid.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yep, just got forced onto the exchange. Family of four, 1365.00/month with a family deductible of 7,500.00. Will not pay for this, can't pay for this and won't have a health care policy for the first time in my adult life. Makes me so sad, seriously.

The exchange did not cause your health care to be expensive.

I suggest you move to a state that offers better coverage and prices.

I'm a family of 4 and only pay $585/month with a $3,000 deductible.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am ready for Feinstein to retire. I am a devout Democrat and am totally ready for medicare for all.

Even Obama didn't support that. The truth is that almost no prominent Democrat supports a right to health care.

Without clarity of vision, they will lose.

Obama didn't win because of his vision. He won because he was the male Beyoncé.

That isn't a replicable strategy

Bernie Sanders supports healthcare as a right and he is the most popular member of the Senate.

Anonymous wrote:OP either makes too much to qualify for subsidies or he lives in a Republican state that didn't accept the Medicare expansion. Either way, OP has options if he doesn't want to pay for insurance: move to a different state, get a new job, etc.

In the meantime, I hope OP is campaigning hard for politicians that will support single-payer healthcare. This is the ONLY way to make healthcare affordable. Throwing out Obamacare will actually raise the price even higher than $1300/month.

OP only votes for politicians who support single payer.

Sorry, Hillary lovers.